April 11th vs. NYY

[26 to 6]

Are you really trying to sell people on Bartolo Colon? Get real..

 

Both rotations have question marks, both rotations have strong vets, both rotations have kids. I hink theyre pretty comparable. Andy and Wang will be fine, as we've seen, except for Andys first start. Moose looked gooooood last time out, I guess we'll see tomorrow. Hughes, I'm sure, will be fine this year. For a rookie especially. Kennedy is a question mark. Hughes and Kennedy is like Lester and Clay. Dont even think that they're not....you're the one kidding yourself.

[Cocos Disciples]

We have a better chance of making the playoffs then you do. I don't think there is much doubt about that.

 

Saved in my files for later usage...

[Gom]

Have you looked at your rotation? Haha I have come to laugh at all the ******** coments you have made since joining this site.

Yes. Have you looked at yours? I'll take our five over your five [minus Schilling]. Offense, pen is ours over you. Defense is yours. Once again, pay some attention.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Wang got hit hard tonight' date=' he got so freaking lucky. I am unwillining to admit that Wang was dominant tonight, thats such ********.[/quote']

 

Concur.

 

Look at the line score. Wang struck out only three batters--there were 25 balls in play, plus the home run. Wang usually gets around 55-70% ground balls, but tonight he got just 44% ground balls (11 of 25, again counting the bunt). Three outfield line drives in the last two innings were all caught, when one would expect two out of three to fall for hits; three of four home run shots died on the warning track. Excepting the bunt, every ball in play was fielded.

 

Looking at how the balls were hit, I'd've expected roughly two home runs and five other hits.

 

BUT...

 

With no bases on balls, there's a probability that Boston would still have scored only two or three runs with those seven hits, and there's little chance that they would've scored five or more.

 

The Yankees won, and the Yankees deserved to win. Let's not get to thinking that Wang was better than he was, but let's not agonize that this was a game that Boston should've won, either.

 

Congratulations to the Yankees and their fans. Tomorrow is another day and another game, and the season is yet young.

[Gom]

You have a two man bullpen complemented by kids and pigs.

With no bugs...best 1-2 punch in the game. If we use bug spray, if we have a lead in the 8th, it's game over.

 

Outside of Okajima and Papelbon..just who do you have? Timlin and Aardsma did a real stellar job today didn't they?

 

I'm not going into the details of Bruney and Traber and Farnsworth and Timlin, MDC, etc.

 

As far as I'm concerned it comes down to Oki/Paps and Joba/Mo. I'll take our two..but...I wouldn't complain if I had the other guys either. The rest of the staffs...on both sides...is total, unquestionable dogshit.

[a700hitter]

With no bugs...best 1-2 punch in the game. If we use bug spray, if we have a lead in the 8th, it's game over.

 

Outside of Okajima and Papelbon..just who do you have? Timlin and Aardsma did a real stellar job today didn't they?

 

I'm not going into the details of Bruney and Traber and Farnsworth and Timlin, MDC, etc.

 

As far as I'm concerned it comes down to Oki/Paps and Joba/Mo. I'll take our two..but...I wouldn't complain if I had the other guys either. The rest of the staffs...on both sides...is total, unquestionable dogshit.

With 2 rookie starters and an old Moose, the Yankees will need more than a two man bullpen, and they just don't have any depth.

[MANNYHOF24]

Yes. Have you looked at yours? I'll take our five over your five [minus Schilling]. Offense' date=' pen is ours over you. Defense is yours. Once again, pay some attention.[/quote']

 

Haha. Beckett>wang any day of the week, Looks like Matsuzaka has turned a corner thus Dicek>Pettitte (could be a toss up, but Pettitte is 36 and his elbow could go at anytime. I call Mussina Wake a wash simply because they put up similar numbers however I wouldnt be suprised if Wake had a 4.00 ERA and Mussina had a 5.00 era like last year. The last two between Hughes/Kennedy Buchholz/Lester I think that goes to the Sox. Kennedy has looked like s*** this year and Hughes hasnt look great either. Lester has been pretty bad in 2/3 starts but I think he could get better if he can find any kind of command consistency. Buchholz I think is going to be an absoulte stud, he has gas a nasty hook and if he can keep his changeup down he is close to unhittable. Lets also not forget Bartolo Colon who has been a big suprise I heard was touching 95-96 in his minor leauge rehab start. Starters=ours in a huge way.

 

Bullpen, 9th inning =wash 8th inning = marginal edge Yankees. Middle relief=disgusting toss up for both teams. I think which ever team can find any consistency with the middle relief is going to have the overall bullpen lead. I think MDC is the key. He came on strong last year and with his stuff I think there is no reason why he can't be a solid guy out there.

 

As far as offense goes, we look awful so far. However lets be fair, Manny swing looks like it is almost there, he has hit a few rockets over the past few days that makes me think he is going to go on a tear. Ortiz sucks right now, he will not be like this all season once he gets his grove back (IMO it should be after a couple weeks off to try to let the knee bounce back) the offense is going to be fine.

 

Now lets look at the Yankees offense shall we. Plain and simple they are reallly old. Could this be the year that Jeter, Abreu Giambi and Posada all show their age? Maybe, maybe not. It appears so but it is way to early to make that judgement. AROD is going to be AROD. although it might not be like last year with him, if you look at his year to year numbers since coming to the Yankees it seems like every MVP season has been followed by a subpar year. He has yet to put back to back incredible years together with the Yankees. That being said book 35-40's easily. Still not sold on Cabera, Cano is .300 20 95 pretty much gaurenteed.

 

Hows that for paying attention

[MANNYHOF24]

Are you really trying to sell people on Bartolo Colon? Get real..

 

Both rotations have question marks, both rotations have strong vets, both rotations have kids. I hink theyre pretty comparable. Andy and Wang will be fine, as we've seen, except for Andys first start. Moose looked gooooood last time out, I guess we'll see tomorrow. Hughes, I'm sure, will be fine this year. For a rookie especially. Kennedy is a question mark. Hughes and Kennedy is like Lester and Clay. Dont even think that they're not....you're the one kidding yourself.

 

Rumor has it he is throwing 95-96 in his last start, if thats the case he can be very valuable, maybe better than 3/5 of your rotation.

[Gom]

Haha. Beckett>wang any day of the week, Looks like Matsuzaka has turned a corner thus Dicek>Pettitte (could be a toss up, but Pettitte is 36 and his elbow could go at anytime. I call Mussina Wake a wash simply because they put up similar numbers however I wouldnt be suprised if Wake had a 4.00 ERA and Mussina had a 5.00 era like last year. The last two between Hughes/Kennedy Buchholz/Lester I think that goes to the Sox. Kennedy has looked like s*** this year and Hughes hasnt look great either. Lester has been pretty bad in 2/3 starts but I think he could get better if he can find any kind of command consistency. Buchholz I think is going to be an absoulte stud, he has gas a nasty hook and if he can keep his changeup down he is close to unhittable. Lets also not forget Bartolo Colon who has been a big suprise I heard was touching 95-96 in his minor leauge rehab start. Starters=ours in a huge way.

 

Bullpen, 9th inning =wash 8th inning = marginal edge Yankees. Middle relief=disgusting toss up for both teams. I think which ever team can find any consistency with the middle relief is going to have the overall bullpen lead. I think MDC is the key. He came on strong last year and with his stuff I think there is no reason why he can't be a solid guy out there.

 

As far as offense goes, we look awful so far. However lets be fair, Manny swing looks like it is almost there, he has hit a few rockets over the past few days that makes me think he is going to go on a tear. Ortiz sucks right now, he will not be like this all season once he gets his grove back (IMO it should be after a couple weeks off to try to let the knee bounce back) the offense is going to be fine.

 

Now lets look at the Yankees offense shall we. Plain and simple they are reallly old. Could this be the year that Jeter, Abreu Giambi and Posada all show their age? Maybe, maybe not. It appears so but it is way to early to make that judgement. AROD is going to be AROD. although it might not be like last year with him, if you look at his year to year numbers since coming to the Yankees it seems like every MVP season has been followed by a subpar year. He has yet to put back to back incredible years together with the Yankees. That being said book 35-40's easily. Still not sold on Cabera, Cano is .300 20 95 pretty much gaurenteed.

 

Hows that for paying attention

I will give you Beckett in a big game. That's obvious. Over the course of a season, Wang/Beckett are a wash. He's had 38 wins the last two years. Cumulative ERA, etc., over the last two years go to Wang. Everyone points to his abysmal failure in the playoffs, and is correct in doing so. However, over the course of a season, they are pretty much a wash. Matsuzaka and Pettitte are close, and over the course of the season, the combo of Pettitte/Wang and Dice-K/Beckett wont differ by more than 2 win IMO.

 

The back end of the rotation is another wash. Buchholz, Lester, and Wake compared to Kennedy, Hughes, and Moose can go either way. The loss of Schilling hurt you guys big time. I like to think my pinstripe boys will outshine the Fenway trio, but if I was on your side, I'd think the other way.

 

As for offense...I know it's early, but let me enlighten you. Manny's cheating a bit. He started to flail at the outside pitch last year, so he's moved in about an inch to make up for it. I was floored when Wang threw it by him, but when I checked the replay I realized he was in about an inch or so from last year. Damon is doing the same thing from our side. Giambi has been doing it for the last few years. Don't be surprised if Manny hits about 40% more near-homers this year that just go foul. The danger you guys face is if Papi starts showing his age as well.

 

Just remember what happened to you guys in 2005 after you won in 2004. I don't have to remind you of history, do I?

 

Class dissmissed.

[a700hitter]

Are you really trying to sell people on Bartolo Colon? Get real...

I saw him in Spring Training. He threw free and easy. His long tosses were something that you don't see too many pitchers do. He stands in front of the wall in dead center field and long tosses to almost the foul line, and he is not lobbing the ball. He is gunning it. In the game that I saw, he had excellent velocity on his fastball and he was burying his slider. If his arm stays healthy, I'd rather have him as my #4 or 5 than Moose, Hughes or kennedy this year.

[Gom]

With 2 rookie starters and an old Moose' date=' the Yankees will need more than a two man bullpen, and they just don't have any depth.[/quote']

Once again, with Lester, Buchholz, and Wake...you won't? Outside of Oki and Paps, just who do you have that's anything but gasoline on a fire? Both teams have nearly carbon copy bullpens...back end of the rotations...and front end of the rotations [over the course of a season].

 

I think we win the division because our hitting is better.

[MANNYHOF24]

You are are a arrogant moron. First off, I have watched every single Manny AB and he has been spraying the ball all over the field and looks much more comfortable at the plate then he did last year. Also did you even watch the playoffs last year, Manny showed he can still be one the of the best hitters in the game. Oh wait your group of Dinosaurs, oops I mean baseball team was busy losing in the first round yet again. By the way, you can throw out 2006 stats on Josh Beckett because he is a completely different pitcher now. Every time you make a comment that tries to make it sound like you are a baseball genius, I smile and think 86 wins, 3rd place and Josh Beckett is a bust and have a nice chuckle.

[MANNYHOF24]

Once again' date=' with Lester, Buchholz, and Wake...you won't? Outside of Oki and Paps, just who do you have that's anything but gasoline on a fire? Both teams have nearly carbon copy bullpens...back end of the rotations...and front end of the rotations [over the course of a season'].

 

I think we win the division because our hitting is better.

 

At least Lester and Buchholz have shown the ability to make it past the 4th inning.

[Gom]

You are are a arrogant moron. First off' date=' I have watched every single Manny AB and he has been spraying the ball all over the field and looks much more comfortable at the plate then he did last year. Also did you even watch the playoffs last year, Manny showed he can still be one the of the best hitters in the game. Oh wait your group of Dinosaurs, oops I mean baseball team was busy losing in the first round yet again. By the way, you can throw out 2006 stats on Josh Beckett because he is a completely different pitcher now. Every time you make a comment that tries to make it sound like you are a baseball genius, I smile and think 86 wins, 3rd place and Josh Beckett is a bust and have a nice chuckle.[/quote']

Arrogant...of course. Moron, that's more your forte. The fact that you don't realize that he's moved in proves one thing. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL, AND HAVE NEVER PLAYED ABOVE LITTLE LEAGUE IN YOUR LIFE. Go check the average age of the Yankees and the Red Sox. The aging Yankee lineup....let's go see....Guess what we'll find?

 

Starting lineup average age Yanks - 28.7 years; Sox - 28.4 years

 

Rotation average age Yanks - 29.0 years; Sox - 29.0 years

 

The Yankees are older..on average..by 3/10ths of a year. Pitching is a wash. If Beckett comes off his career year and ends up with a 4.50 ERA...was I right in calling him a bust?

 

I think I may have missed by a year. I think 86 wins is what you'll get this year.

 

At least Lester and Buchholz have shown the ability to make it past the 4th inning.

True. Now you may be getting a clue. We'll see on Sunday, but I'm not sold on Hughes or Kennedy.

[a700hitter]

Once again' date=' with Lester, Buchholz, and Wake...you won't? Outside of Oki and Paps, just who do you have that's anything but gasoline on a fire? Both teams have nearly carbon copy bullpens...back end of the rotations...and front end of the rotations [over the course of a season'].

 

I think we win the division because our hitting is better.

The back end of the Red Sox rotation is better than the Yankees now, and the Sox have the possibility of adding Colon very soon and Schilling in the second half. While I don't expect to see a productive Schilling, I do expect Colon to be a very nice addition to the back end of the rotation. The Yankees have nothing to add to the rotation outside of a trade, except Joba, and that would take a wrecking ball to your bullpen. As for the Sox pen, in addition to the Papelbon and Okajima at the end of the pen, MDC is better than anything the Yankees have leading up to Joba. Similarly, Timlin is still a very reliable member of the pen and with his experience, he to is better than anything the Yanks have except for Mo and Joba. Although Lopez is a puss bag, he is way better than Billy Traber who is completely useless. Finally, the head case Tavarez has good versatility and eats a good deal of innings. Occasionally, he has a good outing. His versatility alone makes him more valuable than thos two s*** bags Farnsworth and Latroy Hawkins.

[MANNYHOF24]

Arrogant...of course. Moron, that's more your forte. The fact that you don't realize that he's moved in proves one thing. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL, AND HAVE NEVER PLAYED ABOVE LITTLE LEAGUE IN YOUR LIFE. Go check the average age of the Yankees and the Red Sox. The aging Yankee lineup....let's go see....Guess what we'll find?

 

Starting lineup average age Yanks - 28.7 years; Sox - 28.4 years

 

Rotation average age Yanks - 29.0 years; Sox - 29.0 years

 

The Yankees are older..on average..by 3/10ths of a year. Pitching is a wash. If Beckett comes off his career year and ends up with a 4.50 ERA...was I right in calling him a bust?

 

I think I may have missed by a year. I think 86 wins is what you'll get this year.

 

 

True. Now you may be getting a clue. We'll see on Sunday, but I'm not sold on Hughes or Kennedy.

 

I will give you the age thing, although I do think the Yankees are at a point where 4-5 of their best hitters could face serious decline, in which case your offense would be unspectacular. Beckett's not going to have a 4.50 era, iIF YOU KNEW ANYTTHING ABOUT BASEBALL AT ALL you would know that the adjustments Beckett made last year were exactly what he needed to do to be a dominat ace. He slowed his delivery and made the effort to throw 10% less FB which was an absolutely huge difference.

 

Also about Manny, I am going to go look at past film because I think you are pulling the one inch back thing out of your ass, SO WHAT? He is leading the leauge in RBI's and has missed three homeruns to dead center field by inches. I have watched Manny for 8 years almost everygame, his swing looks much more clean this season than it was during his Abysmal 07 season.

[a700hitter]

Just remember what happened to you guys in 2005 after you won in 2004. I don't have to remind you of history, do I?

 

Class dissmissed.

Remind me. I thought we tied for the division lead despite having lost Pedro, Lowe, and Cabrera from the Championship team and replacing them with Matt Clement, David Wells and Rent-a-wreck. This time around everyone is returning.

[BSN07]

What I gathered from last night's game: The Sox still look sluggish on the most part. This was to be expected so I'm not too worried.

 

- Wang had a great game, no question. He's always been a top tier pitcher in the regular season. Wang on his game + cold Sox bats ment the Sox where looking at a long night.

 

- Papi is lost right now out the plate and could probably use a couple days off while working in the cage. Manny can DH and Jacoby can pl LF for a couple games. Having the AB he is having is doing more bad then good at this point for his confidence.

 

- Buchholz had outstanding moments against a deep hitting Yanks line up. He showed the wildness at times you expect from someone his age. That curve ball is something else, and change up is very deceptive when its kept down. When its up it BP. His fastball was sharp and hitting its spots for the most part. He looked good.

 

- Overall for a Yanks vs Sox opening season series game it seemed kind of flat. Probably do to the crap weather.

[riverside sluggers]

Gom: I'll take it. Say he gave up four runs. I'll take that against the Sox any day of the week. You think Buchholz would have made it out of the 3rd inning if the ball was carrying like it does in the summer?

 

Id say the same goes for Wang last night

[Gom]

Id say the same goes for Wang last night

I love how you guys got two hit and the pitcher threw a complete game against you, and you think if the weather was warmer, you'd have knocked him out of the game. You guys are better than most stand-up I've seen.

 

I must say this...ORS...you're not included. You've had the sense to stay out of this. I am grudgingly getting more respect for you season by season. You still suck, though. :harhar:

[MANNYHOF24]

I love how you guys got two hit and the pitcher threw a complete game against you, and you think if the weather was warmer, you'd have knocked him out of the game. You guys are better than most stand-up I've seen.

 

I must say this...ORS...you're not included. You've had the sense to stay out of this. I am grudgingly getting more respect for you season by season. You still suck, though. :harhar:

 

The fact is Wang was up in the zone all night, he wont get those results often if he pitches like that. You dont want Wang living up in the zone do you?

[schillingouttheks]

Boys and girls...holy s***. I'm sad that I missed this.

 

Wang got lucky last night. I can think of about six or seven occasions last night where the ball got spanked and they just happened to get hit right at defenders. I'm not worried.

 

Whatevs. Win today. Despite these two teams' flaws, I still see them as the two best in baseball. Not sure in which order though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang was dominant. He very well could have thrown a no-no last night. I am glad I could see most of the game during my shift.

 

Heavy hard bowling balls, and for some reason, he got a lot of flyouts. A few balls were hit well, but that is the case in any game. He kept the pitch count down, mixed in the slider and change well and dominated the sox in Fenway. Great game

 

BTW, nice to see Molina stepping it up.

[a700hitter]

Wang was dominant. He very well could have thrown a no-no last night. I am glad I could see most of the game during my shift.

 

Heavy hard bowling balls, and for some reason, he got a lot of flyouts. A few balls were hit well, but that is the case in any game. He kept the pitch count down, mixed in the slider and change well and dominated the sox in Fenway. Great game

 

BTW, nice to see Molina stepping it up.

He was very good last night, but not dominant. The Red Sox got some very good swings and made a lot of good contact. If he threw that way in June, he'd have given up 3 or 4 runs.

[jacksonianmarch]

I will give you the age thing' date=' although I do think the Yankees are at a point where 4-5 of their best hitters could face serious decline, in which case your offense would be unspectacular. [/quote']

 

Huh? You guys dont have this problem?

1. Ortiz is a big man who just had surgery on his knee.

2. Manny is late 30s and is coming off the worst yr of his life

3. JD Drew is early 30s, injury prone and coming off the worst yr of his career

4. Jason Varitek looks like a statue

5. Lowell is 33 and coming off a career yr, chances are he comes back down a little

6. Julio Lugo is early 30s and AWFUL

 

Thats 6 regulars and the 2 superstars that make your offense go that could face serious decline this yr. It is no different than our side, except our side is deeper. We both have age and injury issues in our lineup.

 

Beckett's not going to have a 4.50 era, iIF YOU KNEW ANYTTHING ABOUT BASEBALL AT ALL you would know that the adjustments Beckett made last year were exactly what he needed to do to be a dominat ace. He slowed his delivery and made the effort to throw 10% less FB which was an absolutely huge difference.

 

So pitchers who finally click dont ever lose their mechanics again? So a pitcher isnt allowed to have a career yr and then go back to previous? Again, I am not saying he will be anything but solid this yr, but sitting here and saying he is a lock to be a top 3 CY candidate again is far from assured.

 

Also about Manny, I am going to go look at past film because I think you are pulling the one inch back thing out of your ass, SO WHAT? He is leading the leauge in RBI's and has missed three homeruns to dead center field by inches. I have watched Manny for 8 years almost everygame, his swing looks much more clean this season than it was during his Abysmal 07 season.

 

Manny's swing always looks good. It is hardly ever his mechanics that is his problem. As always, his problems have been health (more recently anyway) and his mentality. Throw in advanced age and he is far from a sure thing.

 

MHOF, you are trying to push some things onto the yankees to make yourself feel better when this really is a universal issue. Both teams have the potential for big time offenses. Both teams rely on older players as their core offense and the possibility of injury or decline is real. Both teams have a top heavy pitching staff with a back end filled with uncertainty and promise. With Joba in our pen, both teams have a solid 8-9, but the questions seep in about the bridge before then. Right now, our teams are very similar. Hence, injury, ineffectiveness and fulfilment of promise will decide who takes the east.

[jacksonianmarch]

He was very good last night' date=' but not dominant. The Red Sox got some very good swings and made a lot of good contact. If he threw that way in June, he'd have given up 3 or 4 runs.[/quote']

 

I dont agree with that. I did see Youks hit a ball well, Ortiz hit a ball well and Drew hit that lazy fly out of the park. But he had the sox swinging early avoiding solid contact. I know jayhawk likes to say that is impossible, but there are guys who buck trends, any mathemetician knows this. I continue to state that when Wang is on (ie throwing 92+ with a good moving sinker) his movement keeps hitters from making solid contact.

[a700hitter]

I dont agree with that. I did see Youks hit a ball well' date=' Ortiz hit a ball well and Drew hit that lazy fly out of the park. But he had the sox swinging early avoiding solid contact. I know jayhawk likes to say that is impossible, but there are guys who buck trends, any mathemetician knows this. I continue to state that when Wang is on (ie throwing 92+ with a good moving sinker) his movement keeps hitters from making solid contact.[/quote']Pedroia and Varitek also made some good contact. Drew made good contact when he made an out, and I think even Crisp made good contact in one of his ABs.

[MANNYHOF24]

Huh? You guys dont have this problem?

1. Ortiz is a big man who just had surgery on his knee.

2. Manny is late 30s and is coming off the worst yr of his life

3. JD Drew is early 30s, injury prone and coming off the worst yr of his career

4. Jason Varitek looks like a statue

5. Lowell is 33 and coming off a career yr, chances are he comes back down a little

6. Julio Lugo is early 30s and AWFUL

 

Thats 6 regulars and the 2 superstars that make your offense go that could face serious decline this yr. It is no different than our side, except our side is deeper. We both have age and injury issues in our lineup.

 

 

 

So pitchers who finally click dont ever lose their mechanics again? So a pitcher isnt allowed to have a career yr and then go back to previous? Again, I am not saying he will be anything but solid this yr, but sitting here and saying he is a lock to be a top 3 CY candidate again is far from assured.

 

 

 

Manny's swing always looks good. It is hardly ever his mechanics that is his problem. As always, his problems have been health (more recently anyway) and his mentality. Throw in advanced age and he is far from a sure thing.

 

MHOF, you are trying to push some things onto the yankees to make yourself feel better when this really is a universal issue. Both teams have the potential for big time offenses. Both teams rely on older players as their core offense and the possibility of injury or decline is real. Both teams have a top heavy pitching staff with a back end filled with uncertainty and promise. With Joba in our pen, both teams have a solid 8-9, but the questions seep in about the bridge before then. Right now, our teams are very similar. Hence, injury, ineffectiveness and fulfilment of promise will decide who takes the east.

 

I agree with this completely, I was just in a pissy mood after the loss last night and its always hard to accept when your favorite player starts to decline significantly, it hurts. Hopefully Manny can put together a healthy season and be like he was from 01-06, but thats probably wishful thinking.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Arrogant...of course. Moron, that's more your forte. The fact that you don't realize that he's moved in proves one thing. YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BASEBALL, AND HAVE NEVER PLAYED ABOVE LITTLE LEAGUE IN YOUR LIFE. Go check the average age of the Yankees and the Red Sox. The aging Yankee lineup....let's go see....Guess what we'll find?

 

Starting lineup average age Yanks - 28.7 years; Sox - 28.4 years

 

Rotation average age Yanks - 29.0 years; Sox - 29.0 years

 

The Yankees are older..on average..by 3/10ths of a year. Pitching is a wash. If Beckett comes off his career year and ends up with a 4.50 ERA...was I right in calling him a bust?

 

 

If you look at the full roster, Boston is the 3rd oldest team in mlb

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/rosters

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I saw him in Spring Training. He threw free and easy. His long tosses were something that you don't see too many pitchers do. He stands in front of the wall in dead center field and long tosses to almost the foul line' date=' and he is not lobbing the ball. He is gunning it. In the game that I saw, he had excellent velocity on his fastball and he was burying his slider. If his arm stays healthy, I'd rather have him as my #4 or 5 than Moose, Hughes or kennedy this year.[/quote']

 

LOL

 

You mean the same Colon that had a higher ERA than Igawa last year could be better than 3/5 of our rotation? Oh wait, you saw a spring training game. Nevermind. Based on Igawa's spring, I'd slot him in right behind Beckett in your rotation:

 

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Kei%20Igawa&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=506432

 

This includes 5 perfect innings on opening night.