Bullpen Concerns

[rician blast]

he couldnt just back away from the old man with metal hips and who wobbles like a weeble?

 

Ever been in a fight or other potentially physical confrontation? Did you have the presence of mind, at the time, to do exactly what you determined should have been done after having a chance to think about it later?

 

Adrenaline and emotion are big factors...so Jeezus H., get a grip and be honest with yourself...s*** happens.

 

BTW, those so appalled by Pedro's actions are likely those who cry about Varitek not removing his mask during the ARod altercation. They just don't get it or refuse to admit the truth in order to paint someone in a bad light.

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In related news, Sidney Ponson, who punched a judge in Aruba, who had three DUI arrests in one year, and who was released by the Texas Rangers despite a 4-1 record in 9 starts and a 3.88 ERA for "disrespectful and adverse reactions to situations unbecoming of teammates" has been signed by the New York Yankees.

 

 

 

The official voice of the New York Yankees considers multiple DUIs, brutality against unarmed individuals, and considerable further borderline behavior OK for the Yankees, blaming problems on other teams' managers.

 

I blame the alleged incident in Houston on Cecil Cooper.

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here, and that his recent issues stemmed down there. If he pulled s*** like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that s***. It's absurd that Manny hasn't been disciplined at all. If that was Julio Lugo who threw McCormick to the ground he would have been released, or at the very least suspended. This sends a horrible message from the Red Sox. How come great players are above rules and discipline? Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form. Manny was wrong, plain and simple. But he doesn't have to face any consequences, which is also wrong.

[26 to 6]

BTW, those so appalled by Pedro's actions are likely those who cry about Varitek not removing his mask during the ARod altercation.

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

[rician blast]

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

 

 

Thanks for proving my point.

 

Edit:

In 1977, George Brett tripled and slid hard into third base. Greg Nettles kicked him in the face, sparking a brawl.

 

Heat of the moment? Not by 26's definition...Nettles would be appropriately labeled a bitch, I guess.

[Mr Crunchy]

don zimmer storms out of the dugout to attack the opposing teams pitcher IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PENNANT SERIES and you blame the pitcher for defending himself??

the last i knew bench coaches were supposed to have their asses on the bench and werent supposed to assault the opponents...

is this the f***ing mindset that yankee fans actually possess?

is it just a couple of you ignorant f***s who feel this way or is it just typical another group stupid, i love the yankees mindset?

f*** don zimmer

i hope he gets struck by lightning in that bulbous head of his and never sleeps more than an hour at a time for the rest of his pathetic life.

[yeszir]

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

 

Oh reeeeally?

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[TheKilo]

Well Varitek's a bitch. Plain and simple. And Pedro's crazy. That explains those two incidents.

 

Correction, Varitek is an awful baseball player, not a bitch.

[TheKilo]

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here' date=' and that his recent issues stemmed down there. If he pulled s*** like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that s***. It's absurd that Manny hasn't been disciplined at all. If that was Julio Lugo who threw McCormick to the ground he would have been released, or at the very least suspended. This sends a horrible message from the Red Sox. How come great players are above rules and discipline? Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form. Manny was wrong, plain and simple. But he doesn't have to face any consequences, which is also wrong.[/quote']

 

I don't think anyone is defending the action in and of itself.

 

FACT - Manny pushed McCormick to the ground.

 

FACT - Manny apologized for it.

 

FACT - McCormick accepted the apology.

 

FACT - McCormick said, AND I QUOTE, ""I just want it to die. It's over. He apologized. That's it. I want us to get back to our winning ways.''

 

FACT - Francona said that the matter would be handled with internally.

 

Look, Manny was 100% wrong in this instance. But I feel that if the person he pushed accepted the apology and that the Sox said they would handle it internally, what else do you want from them?

 

What obligation do they have to the masses to make a public spectacle of Ramirez? What good comes from that?

 

I'm serious - if someone can give me a convincing argument why the Sox should take his punishment public I'm all ears.

[schillingouttheks]

He's just trying to make another effort in futility by using this instance to prove that the Yankees are much classier than the Red Sox. I mean, come on, the Yankees never put up with ******** from their players. I mean, remember when Giambi admitted to taking steroids and apologized for it? They fired him anyway! Right, right? Oh wait a minute...

[Jayhawk Bill]

When did he ever say Ponson's actions were ok. He said that he was fine when he was here' date=' and that his recent issues stemmed down there. [/quote']

 

He blamed Ponson's problem behavior that resulted in his release from another MLB team on that team's manager.

 

If he pulled s*** like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job?

 

Well, yeah, sure--Don Zimmer did.

 

So did Jeff Nelson, though. So did Karim Garcia. Yankees players get angry at staff members of OTHER TEAMS and beat them up badly enough TO HAVE TO GO TO COURT FOR ASSAULT AND BATTERY and the Yankees don't care. They kept both players on the roster for the World Series after they beat up Paul Williams, a Special-Ed teacher and part-time groundskeeper, in the bullpen during the 2003 ALCS because he was cheering for the Red Sox.

 

If you will notice, no charges are pending against Manny. This puts him in a different class than Nelson and Garcia, who had to cut a plea deal and perform community service to avoid potential prison time for their assault on Williams--but the Yankees still chose to keep Nelson and Garcia on their roster.

 

We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that s***.

 

Your point is disproven. Were you being ignorant or disingenuous?

 

Some of you ought to be ashamed for defending this in any way, shape, or form.

 

And quit dissing my fellow Red Sox fans on a Red Sox forum.

[schillingouttheks]

Damn. I should've used Garcia and Nelson as my examples. Good picks, JHB.

 

I'm wondering how 26 will excuse their behaviors...

[rician blast]

:dunno:

 

Didn't they also acquire Daryl Strawberry sometime after the following incidents:

 

- On January 29, 1987, Strawberry's wife, Kyle Weaver, filed for a legal separation from him in a Los Angeles court. She also accused him of breaking her nose after a game the previous October.

 

- On April 7, 1989, Strawberry was sued in Clayton, Missouri by Lisa Clayton (not to be confused with his wife, Lisa Watkins) claiming that he is the father of Clayton's son. On January 10, 1990, blood tests proved that Strawberry was indeed the boy's father.

 

 

- On January 12, 1990, two days after blood tests proved he fathered another woman's child, Strawberry was arrested in Los Angeles for allegedly slapping his wife, Lisa, and threatening her with a pistol. On March 9, attorneys announced that no charges would be filed.

 

- On September 17, 1993, Strawberry was arrested for hitting his girlfriend, Charisse Simon, who was three-months pregnant at the time.

 

- On April 5, 1994, Strawberry failed to show up for an exhibition baseball game with the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim, (then known as the California Angels) and was not found until that night. The next day, the Dodgers announced that he had a substance abuse problem. Four days later, Strawberry began five weeks of rehabilitation in the Betty Ford Center.

 

- On December 20, 1994, Strawberry and his agent were indicted for failing to report more than $300,000 of income from autograph and memorabilia shows. On April 29, 1995, Strawberry was ordered to repay $450,000 in back taxes and sentenced to six months of home confinement.

 

- On February 13, 1995, Strawberry was suspended for 75 days by Major League Baseball after testing positive for cocaine. He was released by the San Francisco Giants on the same day.

 

Sounds like a pretty tolerant organization to sign this guy, no? Let's drop all the holier than thou crap.

[a700hitter]

. If he pulled s*** like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job? We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that s***.

The Yankees, afterall are such a classy organization-- a model for other franchises. They looked the other way as their teams in the 90's turned the clubhouse into a roid den. And they openly honored and celebrated a fan who illegally interfered with the field of play to give the Yankees an advantage. That sent a wonderful message to the fans. It's okay to interfere with the game if it helps the home team. Yes, the honoring of Jeffrey Maeir was very classy.

[Mr Crunchy]

id throw my kids into traffic to save manny and i defend him usually 100% unconditionally which isnt easy for a guy like me who adores the game more than the guys who play it

manny and petey were the only 2 i bent over for and i did so because theyre the closest thing i seen to pure greatness as i'll probabky ever see,marvin hagler is on this list with ali and thats it

4 athletes over 35 active years of viewing at 42 yrs okd

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manny burnt us here kids and its not the ""my gramma died"" or todays my day off s***

i never ompedafter hgh school outside barroom softball but know about team and family and the long days and s*** that plays out over a season of sports

you dont put your hands on the equipment people or non members of the 25

the 25? well teamates fight and im not sure thats a bad thing in july

someon was going to talk to youk about his duggout demeaner and it was manny who usually dont say s*** with a mouth full...thats part of the team and between brothers and lond forgotten

this my friends is rag time and its so f***ing wrong i am fed up this evening

i supect the x boston dtc said some things he regrets but manny is just so wrong to put his hands on this guy

this isnt over i suspect

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He's just trying to make another effort in futility by using this instance to prove that the Yankees are much classier than the Red Sox. I mean' date=' come on, the Yankees never put up with ******** from their players. I mean, remember when Giambi admitted to taking steroids and apologized for it? They fired him anyway! Right, right? Oh wait a minute...[/quote']

If A-Rod physically harms a Yankee employee I think he' on the bench for at least a game.

 

Also, just to clarify, when I said

If he pulled s*** like that with the Yankees you think he would wake up the next morning with a job?

I was talking about Ponson, and if what happened in Texas happened here. Seems liek you guys thought I was referring to Manny.

 

700, who "honored" Jeffrey Maier? I don't recall.

 

Sounds like a pretty tolerant organization to sign this guy, no? Let's drop all the holier than thou crap.

All of that happened before was even on the team. I'm not trying to argue about which is the "classier organization" or anything. I'm talking about current players and how their behavior is handled. Not the personal history of players who've played for a particular team over the course of time. If A-Rod physically harms a Yankee employee, apology or not, I have a hard time thinking that Girardi, Cash, or ownership would go without reprimanding him. Players under contract and in uniform have professional standards that they have to live up to. Superstars not named Manny Ramirez, namely Shawn Chacon and Sidney Ponson, have lost their jobs for intolerable behaviors recently this season. Because Manny is Manny he just gets a slap on the wrist. Not even.

 

And one thing I want to point out about Nelson and Garcia; Nelson was being heckled by that groundskeeper. Are you that naive to think that he just went after him for no reason? Who knows what dude wa saying to him. But as a team/park employee he should have known better, and been punished as well. He has no reason interfering with the players and being an *******. And as for Garcia, he saw his teammate in a scuffle with a person not in uniform and went ran to defend him. What exactly did he do wrong? For all he knewthe groundskeeper jumped Nelson, or perhaps he thought it was a crazy fan or something at first. And to say they weren't punished isn't fair, because they had to face the legal ramifications of their actions. I'm not condoning what they did, but I'm saying that if you're going to use that as an example then at least look at the whole picture.

[schillingouttheks]

The only heckling/interfering I recall is the guy trying to get the fans behind the bullpens pumped up. I don't remember ANYTHING about him heckling the players directly. Whatever he was doing, regardless of its nature, did not warrant the response that it got. Besides, I remember Nelson just being a bit of a douche bag in general - he was a bit of a loose cannon, so I wouldn't be surprised if he went nuts for an irrational reason.

 

So you're saying that Garcia couldn't judge by the other bullpen pitchers that restrained themselves from getting involved in the fight? Let's remember, he had to run from RF and jump the barrier before proceeding to beat the s*** out of the guy. If he was simply "defending his teammate", wouldn't he be wondering why he was the only other person jumping into that fight? If Nelson needed defending, I have a feeling the entire Yankee bullpen would've been there quicker than Garcia to help out. Look, 26, it seems like you try to find a way out of any accusation against any Yankee player. I know you don't condone it obviously, but to say that their behaviors were somewhat warranted against a completely defenseless park employee who was just trying to support the home team is nothing short of ludicrous.

 

Manny threw McCormick to the ground, apologized for his behavior, and his apology was accepted. What more do you want? You have to at least be happy with the apology... and since it was accepted, I have no trouble dropping any lingering problems from this incident. I don't agree with the Sox in that they're dealing with it internally because it seems like they're protecting him from the public to an extent, but I trust that they're taking the necessary actions to ensure it doesn't happen again. If he's fined, that's fine, but the punishment should be publicized so everyone knows that the Red Sox aren't sleeping on this.

 

All that said, I'm still convinced that you were trying to make a "Yankees have more class" argument. While I buy that you're talking about players and how their behaviors are handled, I believe you took it to the next level when you stated, "We're not the Red Sox we don't tolerate that s***." Sounds to me like you're trying to say that the Yankees handle their players' unacceptable behavior better than the Red Sox do.

[ORS]

Players under contract and in uniform have professional standards that they have to live up to.....

 

and then......

 

Nelson was being heckled. Are you that naive to think that he just went after him for no reason? Who knows what dude wa saying to him.

Which one is it? This has got to be the most blatant application of a double standard I've ever seen.

 

EDIT: You know what's sad about this? It's that you are actually serious.

[rician blast]

marvin hagler is on this list with ali

 

Marvin Hagler...god I loved that guy and when that bitch Sugar Ray ran away from him all fight, only to steal rounds in the last 30 seconds, it drove me nuts. I watch the replays of that fight whenever they're on, and it conjurs up the same old feelings. Sugar Ray couldn't have hurt Hagler in that fight even if Hagler stood with arms at his side...but I suppose he might have "outpointed" him...like a lame Olympic games' fight.

[TheKilo]

Which one is it? This has got to be the most blatant application of a double standard I've ever seen.

 

EDIT: You know what's sad about this? It's that you are actually serious.

 

LOL

[Mr Crunchy]

i hate ray leonard like i hate cancer.

i was in vegas for my dads birthday for the leonard fight,we are related to pat and goody petronelli so every time marvin fought locally we got tix and got to go to the after fight parties,

the leonard fight was strange and dare i say bought and paid for.

bigger gloves,1st 12 rounder rather the traditional 15 rounder and a ring the size of logan airport

marvin sold all these advantages out for an extra 5M.

my grandfather says to goody before the fight

""how long before ray falls??""

goody says

""tony i dont know about this one""

1 judge had it 118-112?despite marvin throwing and landing more punches.

the others 115-113 each way

every time marvin left it up to the judges he got f***ed with the exception of the duran fight

he put 115 stitches in vito antuofermo's face and got a draw out of it,vito is selling pencils in naples,legally blind and in a wheel chair today

meanwhile on the same card ray fought wilfred benitez and was probably losing till the ref stopped it with 8 seconds left and the champion(benitez) still on his feet.

BAG JOB

marvin never left his trainers despite more money and more fame to be had

he got f***ed for it...badly

marvin was one of the few who walked away with more to give,he has his money ,his health and the knowledge of knowing he was the best middleweight ever

(ray robinson was a welterweight at his best)

boxing needs another warrior like marvin and another fight like marvin/hearns would put this wounded sport back on top of the market where it belongs....

god i miss him

[26 to 6]

Which one is it? This has got to be the most blatant application of a double standard I've ever seen.

 

EDIT: You know what's sad about this? It's that you are actually serious.

Like I said, who knows what the dude said to him. Is what Nelson did right? No. Did he have to go to court for his actions? Yes.

 

The only heckling/interfering I recall is the guy trying to get the fans behind the bullpens pumped up. I don't remember ANYTHING about him heckling the players directly. Whatever he was doing, regardless of its nature, did not warrant the response that it got. Besides, I remember Nelson just being a bit of a douche bag in general - he was a bit of a loose cannon, so I wouldn't be surprised if he went nuts for an irrational reason.

Rather judgemental of you. Either way, when a team's employee is being so unprofessional as to cheer for the home team in the visitor's bullpen, it's blatant disrespect. I just looked at some articles, and from what I've gathered Nelson asked Williams to leave the bullpen if he was gonna be cheering, but he refused. What happened from there, idk. But it's not fair to blame that whole situation on Nelson. Williamscould have been saying ANYTHING.

 

So you're saying that Garcia couldn't judge by the other bullpen pitchers that restrained themselves from getting involved in the fight? Let's remember, he had to run from RF and jump the barrier before proceeding to beat the s*** out of the guy. If he was simply "defending his teammate", wouldn't he be wondering why he was the only other person jumping into that fight? If Nelson needed defending, I have a feeling the entire Yankee bullpen would've been there quicker than Garcia to help out. Look, 26, it seems like you try to find a way out of any accusation against any Yankee player. I know you don't condone it obviously, but to say that their behaviors were somewhat warranted against a completely defenseless park employee who was just trying to support the home team is nothing short of ludicrous.

He should have kept his mouth shut, or gone somewhere else and cheered. I dont even know why he was in the bullpen. But as for Garcia, if it was a spur of the moment reaction and he saw his teammate in an altercation perhaps he didnt stop to observe the reactions of the other 24 players on the team. He may have rushed his judgement, but I doubt his thinking was "og look, Nelly's beatign some dude up, let me go jump in and help him." That's ridiculous. The only other explanation would be that he was coming to Nelson's defense.

Manny threw McCormick to the ground, apologized for his behavior, and his apology was accepted. What more do you want? You have to at least be happy with the apology... and since it was accepted, I have no trouble dropping any lingering problems from this incident. I don't agree with the Sox in that they're dealing with it internally because it seems like they're protecting him from the public to an extent, but I trust that they're taking the necessary actions to ensure it doesn't happen again. If he's fined, that's fine, but the punishment should be publicized so everyone knows that the Red Sox aren't sleeping on this.

I wouldn't besurprised if they did NOTHING. And as for the apology, of course it was going to be accepted. It was Manny Ramirez, future HOFer making the apology. Regardless of his true feelings, you dont think the SOx told him tpo just accept the apology and let it blow over. If it was a Julio Lugo, Manny Delcarmen, or an Alex Cora you think it would have just boiled over this way? Lets get real here. Shawn Chacon lost his job for a very similar action, and all Manny has to do is apologize. And look at WHY he shoved McCormick. What a stupid reason. Because the Multi-millionaire superstar couldnt get enough free tickets? It's not McCormick's fault. Sometimes the home team just doesnt HAVE them.

[Mr Crunchy]

i'd like to leave gene nelson in the bullpen with some of the sox security staff that ive had to deal with over the years....

another big man putting his hands on the little guy....this jerkoff sucked anyways.

i wonder how courageous he wouldve been had the guy been his size.

are we on the subject of character here?

if not,i'll bring it up anyways

arod's classy wife drops a baby and as she's recovering arod is in bed with madonna...

if madonna had as many pricks coming out of her as went into her she'd resemble a porcupine.

this my friends is as big a scumbag move as i've ever seen without murder being involved.

why does alex rodgriguez seem to find the lowest form of slash to sleep with?

madonna is 60,has stretch marks on her lips after blowing the nba allstar teams over the last 25 years and his wife is giving him a baby,the most precious gift a woman could possibly give a man.

this is just vile behavior and i hope to christ he pays for it.

[TheKilo]

Like I said' date=' who knows what the dude said to him. Is what Nelson did right? No. Did he have to go to court for his actions? Yes.[/quote']

 

So why are you portraying this "holier than thou" attitude? Nelson wasn't living up to the standards you set for professional ballplayers yet you had no problem cheering him.

 

 

Rather judgemental of you. Either way, when a team's employee is being so unprofessional as to cheer for the home team in the visitor's bullpen, it's blatant disrespect. I just looked at some articles, and from what I've gathered Nelson asked Williams to leave the bullpen if he was gonna be cheering, but he refused. What happened from there, idk. But it's not fair to blame that whole situation on Nelson. Williamscould have been saying ANYTHING.

 

An EMPLOYEE of the Red Sox CHEERING for the Red Sox? Say it ain't so! What gives Nelson the right to tell him to leave?

 

What we do know - Nelson committed assault and battery. Trying to make excuses for that is classless.

 

He should have kept his mouth shut, or gone somewhere else and cheered. I dont even know why he was in the bullpen.

 

He's a groundskeeper. Again, why can't an employee of the Red Sox cheer for the Red Sox?

 

But as for Garcia, if it was a spur of the moment reaction and he saw his teammate in an altercation perhaps he didnt stop to observe the reactions of the other 24 players on the team. He may have rushed his judgement, but I doubt his thinking was "og look, Nelly's beatign some dude up, let me go jump in and help him." That's ridiculous. The only other explanation would be that he was coming to Nelson's defense.

 

Doesn't excuse the action, especially if uniformed ballplayers need to be held to a higher standard.

 

I wouldn't besurprised if they did NOTHING. And as for the apology, of course it was going to be accepted. It was Manny Ramirez, future HOFer making the apology. Regardless of his true feelings, you dont think the SOx told him tpo just accept the apology and let it blow over. If it was a Julio Lugo, Manny Delcarmen, or an Alex Cora you think it would have just boiled over this way?

 

What purpose does punsihing Manny publicly serve? Please tell me this, I'm still waiting to be convinced on it.

 

The Sox said they handled it in house. Why do they need to placate idiots like you by making a public scene of things?

 

 

Lets get real here. Shawn Chacon lost his job for a very similar action, and all Manny has to do is apologize. And look at WHY he shoved McCormick. What a stupid reason. Because the Multi-millionaire superstar couldnt get enough free tickets? It's not McCormick's fault. Sometimes the home team just doesnt HAVE them.

 

Shawn Chacon got released because he threw his GENERAL MANAGER to the ground and threatened to physically harm him. Chacon also showed no remorse for his actions.

 

Manny pushed McCormick to the ground, apologized, and McCormick accepted.

 

Again - I ask you - what good comes from making Manny's punishment public?

[VA Sox Fan]

i'd like to leave gene nelson in the bullpen with some of the sox security staff that ive had to deal with over the years....

another big man putting his hands on the little guy....this jerkoff sucked anyways.

i wonder how courageous he wouldve been had the guy been his size.

are we on the subject of character here?

if not,i'll bring it up anyways

arod's classy wife drops a baby and as she's recovering arod is in bed with madonna...

if madonna had as many pricks coming out of her as went into her she'd resemble a porcupine.

this my friends is as big a scumbag move as i've ever seen without murder being involved.

why does alex rodgriguez seem to find the lowest form of slash to sleep with?

madonna is 60,has stretch marks on her lips after blowing the nba allstar teams over the last 25 years and his wife is giving him a baby,the most precious gift a woman could possibly give a man.

this is just vile behavior and i hope to christ he pays for it.

 

The A-Rod/Madonna story is true?? OMG! He's an idiot.

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Kilo, you're ridiculous. Idc who he is, its unprofessional for a groundskeeper to be openly cheering during a game, especially in the visitor's bullpen. I worked in the NY-Penn League last year, Short Season A ball - do you think our groundskeepers were hanging out in bullpens, heckling players, cheering and s***? No. hy not? Because it's unprofessional. He's a groundskeeper, not a cheerleader. And when did I "cheer" Nelson for what he did? I'm not portraying this "holier than thou" image, I'm saying it's ridiculous that the Red SOx bend the rules for this guy, and allow it to slide with a simple apology.

 

As for Garcia, what do you mean "that doesn't excuse the action?" Are you stupid. Are the Royals players who went after that father/son duo in Chicago who attacked Mike Gamboa back in 2003 wrong for getting involved? They saw one of their coaches get attacked by people not in uniform. Garcia saw the same thing and ran to his teammates defense. Obviously the two incidents are different, but in a quick spur of the moment situation would you prefer Garcia sit in right field with his thumb up his ass like "gee, should I go help." It wasn't a fan, as we know now, but what way of knowing that did Garcia, or anyone else, have at the time?

[yeszir]

I worked in the NY-Penn League last year' date=' Short Season A ball - do you think our groundskeepers were hanging out in bullpens, heckling players, cheering and s***? No. hy not? [/quote']

 

Because its NY-Penn Short Season A ball?

[ORS]

Garcia hopped the fence and jumped in when the guy was on the ground. The article I read has him swinging down on Williams as he was on the ground covering up. Stop trying to sell the, "Just had my boy's back" crap. It's a load of s***.

 

And, yes, you did portray it as holier than thou. You said the Yankees wouldn't put up with this kind of stuff. They put up with it '03, as neither were suspended, something the saintly Yankee had every opportunity to do prior to any legal action. So your own team s*** all over the weak ass point you were trying to make.

 

My guess is the Yankee decision came in the offseason, when neither Nelson or Garcia were brought back for the '04 campaign. I suspect the same thing will happen in Red Sox land.

[rician blast]

Garcia hopped the fence and jumped in when the guy was on the ground. The article I read has him swinging down on Williams as he was on the ground covering up.

 

True. When that incident occurred, one particular replay clearly showed Garcia coming in late, when the groundskeeper was pinned, and throwing shots. The groundskeeper was clearly not a threat at that point.

 

I can understand cutting him a little slack for "the heat of the moment" but still, Garcia's involvement was essentiallyt thuggery.

[26 to 6]

Garcia hopped the fence and jumped in when the guy was on the ground. The article I read has him swinging down on Williams as he was on the ground covering up. Stop trying to sell the, "Just had my boy's back" crap. It's a load of s***.

 

And, yes, you did portray it as holier than thou. You said the Yankees wouldn't put up with this kind of stuff. They put up with it '03, as neither were suspended, something the saintly Yankee had every opportunity to do prior to any legal action. So your own team s*** all over the weak ass point you were trying to make.

 

My guess is the Yankee decision came in the offseason, when neither Nelson or Garcia were brought back for the '04 campaign. I suspect the same thing will happen in Red Sox land.

I said they wouldnt put up with PHYSICALLY HARMING A CLUB EMPLOYEE. That's what I was referring to.

 

Because its NY-Penn Short Season A ball?

If anything that helps my point. That would be more tolerated in a lower-lever Minor League, as opposed to the Majors.

[soxfan17881]

Scumbag

 

In related news, Sidney Ponson, who punched a judge in Aruba, who had three DUI arrests in one year, and who was released by the Texas Rangers despite a 4-1 record in 9 starts and a 3.88 ERA for "disrespectful and adverse reactions to situations unbecoming of teammates" has been signed by the New York Yankees.

 

 

 

The official voice of the New York Yankees considers multiple DUIs, brutality against unarmed individuals, and considerable further borderline behavior OK for the Yankees, blaming problems on other teams' managers.

 

I blame the alleged incident in Houston on Cecil Cooper.

 

 

 

Excellent point Jayhawk Bill!

 

Imagine a Yanker fan chiming in on ethics or bad behavior! :harhar: