What will happen at the Congressional Hearing?

[rician blast]

And Pettitte turns out to be the liar many of us knew he was, huh? Yet he's some sort of hero to some.

 

f*** Andy Pettitte too and those who defended him when he said "I only did it for two days." What a douche.

[BudLight]

Seano

 

I'm not defending either of these pricks, just believe if folks are going to go into detail about the lies of one there needs to be a counterpoint. Both of these guys are lying douche bags, that's why there will never be a conviction in a court of law.

 

I am most concerned about Clemens' Kids. I can only hope they have not been introduced to dear old dads "training" regiment.

[TheKilo]

counterpoints

 

McNamee lied to police about raping a woman in Florida

 

This has to do with Clemens how?

 

He lied to federal investigators about having physical evidence regarding Clemens

 

He wasn't under oath. This isn't rocket science.

 

McNamee keeps changing his recollection of how many times he injected Clemens (count the needles you supposedly kept)

 

It's not the number of times he injected him, it's the fact he injected him. Who cares if it's 2, 4, or 24?

 

McNamee puts Clemens at Canseco's house - can't be corroborated

 

Except for the nanny, whom Clemens tampered with.

 

McNamee admired Clemens, took his money, and never wanted to hurt him - but, he didn't trust him????

 

Knowing how everything played out this seems pretty smart, no?

 

McNamee, a former cop, the son of a cop, does not define a drug dealer as one who provides illegal substances to others for money. I'm curious what is his definition of a drug dealer.

 

No real argument here. However, he did admit to dealing with those drugs under oath. He never explicitly made the connection between the two yesterday.

 

McNamee passed himself off as a doctor with a PHD. He obtained a "PHD" through a mail order house. He used likenesses of pro athletes to promote his training business, without authorization from the athletes.

 

No real argument here. Why didn't Clemens do more research into McNamee? he seemed very comfortable working with him.

 

McNamee explained, he did not immediately supply physical evidence that would incriminate Clemens - soiled steroid syringes, needles and gauze - to the Mitchell commission or investigators because, McNamee said, he didn't want to bury Clemens too deep. McNamee said he produced the evidence only when, after the report was issued, he felt betrayed by Clemens, who secretly recorded a phone call between them and played it publicly.

 

Why does this surprise you? McNamee has said on numerous occasions that he didn't want to give Clemens up or was never coerced. Clemens decided to play the tape. Clemens brought that on himself.

 

McNamee said protection of Clemens also led him to initially minimize the number of times he said he injected Clemens. Now, with McNamee feeling betrayed by Clemens and with more time for accurate recall, McNamee has raised his estimates from seven to 50.

 

McNamee is a sleazeball. How does this exonerate Clemens?

 

What difference would it have made how many times he injected Clemens, one time is enough in the court of public opinion to ruin Clemens' career and any induction to the Hall of Fame. This makes no sense.

He's an opportunist. Why lie about Clemens and not Pettite and Knoblauch -- one possibility - he stands to make much more from falsely accusing Clemens than truthfully naming Pettite and Knoblauch based purely on their status as players. One statement from the hearing yesterday I agree with was when Congressman Foxx asked McNamee if he had a book deal and he stated no - she replied We Shall See.

 

Here's a reason he wouldn't lie about Petttitte and Knoblauch - they backed his story.

[a700hitter]

Neither of them are credible' date=' McNamee or Clemens. You will also never know the whole truth because while Clemens is lying, McNamee as the star witness for the prosecution in a trial is a joke. I don't see the feds ever trying to prosecute Clemens, they can't clean-up McNamee's past and they would need to make him a credible witness to succeed. That boat sailed years ago in a Florida hotel swimming pool.[/quote']There is enough evidence independent of McNamee to convict Clemens. Knoblauch and Pettitte have corroborated the Mitchell Report. Pettitte, A very close friend of Rajah, can testify as to an admission by Rajah of juicing. Rajah's explanation of this conversation that it was about Rajah's wife is clearly a lie, because the conversation was in 1999 and Debbie Rocket didn't shoot up until 2002 or 2003. He had a documented abscess on his ass that was consistent with a botched steroid injection. The nanny will testify that Clemens was at the Canseco party and his family slept over. Lastly, there is physical evidence. If McNamee dies, the feds still have enough evidence to get a conviction.

[26 to 6]

No real argument here. Why didn't Clemens do more research into McNamee? he seemed very comfortable working with him.

Are you serious? If someone tells you they are a doctor, you usually don't dispute that. Why would he look deeper into it? You can't blame a person for believing sonmbody when they tell you they have a PHD. Do you delve deep into your doctor's background?

[Mr Crunchy]

Are you serious? If someone tells you they are a doctor' date=' you usually don't dispute that. Why would he look deeper into it? You can't blame a person for believing sonmbody when they tell you they have a PHD. Do you delve deep into your doctor's background?[/quote']

 

a ya

i do

you want some affirmative action throw in taking care of your children?

luckily i got family in the business so i do indeed have a leg up on their backround but my mother also worked with drs who were degenerate gamblers,wife beaters as well as junkies...

the fact that clemens continued to keep this guy on the payroll after he finds out he's injected his wife and lied about his doctorate should tell us volumes and it does but only to those who are thinking clearly on this subject as opposed to the unmitigated ball washing that some insist on continuing inspite of the very very obvious.

[BudLight]

This has to do with Clemens how?

 

It goes to the character of McNamee. It affects Clemens from the standpoint of McNamee lying to Clemens about his role in the "rape". Testimony, under oath, to date shows McNamee lied to both the Florida police and Clemens about his role in that crime.

 

 

 

He wasn't under oath. This isn't rocket science.

 

He wasn't under oath when he was interviewed by federal agents??

 

 

 

It's not the number of times he injected him, it's the fact he injected him. Who cares if it's 2, 4, or 24?

 

Again, it goes directly to his character. His story is constantly changing, he can't tell the truth.

 

 

 

Except for the nanny, whom Clemens tampered with.

 

Read the Nanny's statement, how did Clemens tamper with her testimony? She never states anything in her statement about Clemens or his lawyers influencing her testimony. Waxman would like you to believe that, but he is also the moron who apologized to a rapist and drug dealer for "harsh" treatment he received at the Congressional hearing.

 

 

 

Knowing how everything played out this seems pretty smart, no?

 

It also shows that he is a cold calculating oportunist - again lack of character.

 

 

 

No real argument here. However, he did admit to dealing with those drugs under oath. He never explicitly made the connection between the two yesterday.

 

He denied, under oath at the Congressional hearings, being a drug dealer. Definition of a drug dealer: an unlicensed dealer in illegal drugs

 

 

No real argument here. Why didn't Clemens do more research into McNamee? he seemed very comfortable working with him.

 

What percentage of people do you believe actually do extensive research on their physicians. McNamee was a trainer with a MLB organization. One can make the assumption the MLB organization would not subject their players to a fraud.

 

 

 

Why does this surprise you? McNamee has said on numerous occasions that he didn't want to give Clemens up or was never coerced. Clemens decided to play the tape. Clemens brought that on himself.

 

McNamee didn't want to bury him "too deep"??? WTF does that mean? It is along the same lines as your comment above (It's not the number of times he injected him, it's the fact he injected him. Who cares if it's 2, 4, or 24?). It doesn't matter if he supplied the syringes or not, McNamee had to know simply providing testimony to federal investigators and the Mitchell team that he was burying Clemens. The depth of the burial is irrelevant. How does McNamee measure the depth of burial??

 

McNamee is a sleazeball. How does this exonerate Clemens?

 

McNamee is a sleazeball, he has no moral character and is a habitual liar. Roger Clemens is a user of steriods/and or HGH. The point being, they both have serious credibility issues and neither could ever be convicted of anything in a court of law with the other being used as the prime prosecution witness against the other.

 

 

Here's a reason he wouldn't lie about Petttitte and Knoblauch - they backed his story.

 

They backed his story about him injecting both Pettite and Knoblauch. Neither were eye witnesses to Clemens being injected.

 

 

I'll say it again - I do not defend either of these slime balls. My point simply was for every point made about the integrity of one it can be countered with a point about the integrity of the other. Both are liars, unreliable and terrible witnesses against each other. The problem - you can't convict if your main witness for the prosecution is either of these two.

[BudLight]

a ya

i do

you want some affirmative action throw in taking care of your children?

luckily i got family in the business so i do indeed have a leg up on their backround but my mother also worked with drs who were degenerate gamblers,wife beaters as well as junkies...

the fact that clemens continued to keep this guy on the payroll after he finds out he's injected his wife and lied about his doctorate should tell us volumes and it does but only to those who are thinking clearly on this subject as opposed to the unmitigated ball washing that some insist on continuing inspite of the very very obvious.

 

 

They both are liars, I don't believe Clemens ever thought McNamee would turn on him, the problem is McNamee is as much a dirt bag as Clemens is and makes him discredible in a court of law. He did however succeed, IMO, in doing one thing, Clemens will never enjoy the riches in retirement that he could have enjoyed had this never taken place. McNamee on the other hand is viewed by most as the modern day David who has slayed Goliath. Here come the book and movie deals.

[Mr Crunchy]

counterpoint...

 

i cannot for the life of me understand why these Democractic reps and senators were goig out of their way to defend McNamee either.its as if was running for president

 

please

if you cant be original find some of my better material if you want to plagiarize me.

i know you can do better if you gave this some thought.

 

you may be new to congressional hearings but lets for the sake of peace just say congressman are supposed to be seeking the truth,not autographs and photo sessions.

this is what we do know.

clemens is a big time GOP supporter

brian mcnamee isnt a money maker for the democrats.

clemens got a phone call from the president when these allegations broke....

mcnamee got a call from rusty the wonder lawyer

 

accept it for what it is and then move on

a lying cheating texan has his puss filled ass on the frying fan and he is positioning himself to be indicted under maybe a 1/2 dozen grand jury predicates for lying to congress,obstruction and other perjury related crimes.

 

all he had to do was play the role of andy petitte.

(this f***ing guy getting roids from his dad??)

""i screwed up,im sorry,forgive me,i love baseball,i apologize for getting congress tied up in this nonsense when the people in the northeast are spending 1000.00 a month heating their homes if they havent been foreclosed on""

 

something along these lines makes him a sympathetic figure and brushes this entire story away like a dried up texan turd sitting in the odessa sun.

nope

good for him being defiant till the end

hopefully if he goes to jail he gets danbury rather than brooklyn to serve his time

better food i hear and the danbury softball team has a need for a 6 ip guy who can eat some innings up.

[He Hate Me]

please

if you cant be original find some of my better material if you want to plagiarize me.

i know you can do better if you gave this some thought.

 

you may be new to congressional hearings but lets for the sake of peace just say congressman are supposed to be seeking the truth,not autographs and photo sessions.

this is what we do know.

clemens is a big time GOP supporter

brian mcnamee isnt a money maker for the democrats.

clemens got a phone call from the president when these allegations broke....

mcnamee got a call from rusty the wonder lawyer

 

accept it for what it is and then move on

a lying cheating texan has his puss filled ass on the frying fan and he is positioning himself to be indicted under maybe a 1/2 dozen grand jury predicates for lying to congress,obstruction and other perjury related crimes.

 

all he had to do was play the role of andy petitte.

(this f***ing guy getting roids from his dad??)

""i screwed up,im sorry,forgive me,i love baseball,i apologize for getting congress tied up in this nonsense when the people in the northeast are spending 1000.00 a month heating their homes if they havent been foreclosed on""

 

something along these lines makes him a sympathetic figure and brushes this entire story away like a dried up texan turd sitting in the odessa sun.

nope

good for him being defiant till the end

hopefully if he goes to jail he gets danbury rather than brooklyn to serve his time

better food i hear and the danbury softball team has a need for a 6 ip guy who can eat some innings up.

 

I wasn't plagiarizing. I was making the point that this hearing came down to party lines and that you could say the same thing about the other party.

[BudLight]

The congressional hearings had nothing to do with obtaining the truth or getting to the root of the steroids in baseball problem. It was a showcase, in an election year, for a group of blowhards, who were in and out of the chamber all day, to express their opinion based on their party affiliation. Nothing more, nothing less. He who collects the most soundbites wins!!

[YAZMAN]

accept it for what it is and then move on

a lying cheating texan has his puss filled ass on the frying fan...

 

While Raajaa has been dead to me for 10 years now, I nonetheless sincerely hope you're referring to the botched injection.

[YAZMAN]

Are you serious? If someone tells you they are a doctor' date=' you usually don't dispute that. Why would he look deeper into it? You can't blame a person for believing sonmbody when they tell you they have a PHD. Do you delve deep into your doctor's background?[/quote']

 

Are we talking about Jacko again?

[BudLight]

a ya

i do

you want some affirmative action throw in taking care of your children?

luckily i got family in the business so i do indeed have a leg up on their backround but my mother also worked with drs who were degenerate gamblers,wife beaters as well as junkies...

the fact that clemens continued to keep this guy on the payroll after he finds out he's injected his wife and lied about his doctorate should tell us volumes and it does but only to those who are thinking clearly on this subject as opposed to the unmitigated ball washing that some insist on continuing inspite of the very very obvious.

 

 

 

 

 

Yaz

 

I didn't know Sean and BBDoc were related!! Learn something new every day

[TheKilo]

Are you serious? If someone tells you they are a doctor' date=' you usually don't dispute that. Why would he look deeper into it? You can't blame a person for believing sonmbody when they tell you they have a PHD. Do you delve deep into your doctor's background?[/quote']

 

 

Yes. If my livelihood depends on me being physically fit and active, and IF HE IS GOING TO INJECT SOMETHING INTO ME, it seems like a good idea to research that further.

[Mr Crunchy]

and if this posing dr was in your bed with your wifes ass raised in the air and he injects a needle that you refuse to use... into her body.....its still business as usual for the clemens family...this is what we're to believe

i'll take the poor rat all day here

[He Hate Me]

this gets better.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3258678

[Gom]

How about....the rest of America doesn't care anymore either way.

[a700hitter]

Clemens moving closer to a perjury charge, as there are reportedly pictures of him at the Canseco party.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7828840/Report:-Picture-puts-Clemens-at-Canseco-party

[Gom]

You know what I'd love? Clemens to strike an immunity deal with Congress and rat out everyone.

 

Included on Clemen's list, I'm sure would be the following:

 

Ortiz, Ramirez, Youkilis, Varitek, Crisp, Damon, Rodriguez, Posada, Farnsworth [was there ever a player who looked like he would take steroids more than him?], Magglio, the entire A's starting nine, Johan Santana, Liriano, Neshek, Mauer, Morneau, the Diamondbacks bullpen, Putz, Sexson, Beltre, Reyes, Wright, Delgado, all the members of the Brewer's sausage race, Carl Pohlad, Mark Cuban [wrong sport, but who cares]....the list goes on and on....all the way down to Cashman and Epstein injecting each other in the ass.

 

Finally..then...it would be over.

[a700hitter]

That would be fun, but it is much more likely that Clemens will have to stand on the front steps of a court house and apologize to his family, friends, team mates and fans for letting them down after he pleads to a perjury conviction.

[a700hitter]

Clemens looking like a bigger and bigger ass all the time.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7831110/Attorney:-Maybe-Rocket-was-at-Canseco's-party-

[Thumper]

I say a good way to discourage steroid use would be to have Bonds, Canseco, Clemens, McGwire, and other notable juicers play a game of Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol.

 

Then we'll see how well the rest fall in line.

[a700hitter]

Congress asking the Justice Department to investigate Clemens for perjury. The Rockets march to prison continues. What's funny is that he is doing this voluntarily. What a tool!

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7840862/Report:-Congress-drafts-letter-to-feds-in-Clemens-case

[TheKilo]

Interesting article about Clemens' legal team's tactics.

[Ray10]

Clemens will get what he deserves. Don't care how great of a pitcher he was all that gets put aside in a situation like this.

[das11209]

Clemens will get what he deserves.

 

More like he will get what he is begging for. He might be the only player who will get in trouble because of the Mitchell report. And all he had to blame is his big mouth and fat ego. He could have just been like Pettitte - admit that he used it and move on. Or he could have been like Mark Mcguire - STFU and disappear. No - he had to be the John Wayne. Do you guys remember Jim Carrey in Liar Liar - where he could not speak any lie even though he tried to? Clemens has become the opposite of that - any word coming out of his mouth is false. Even though he saw what happened to Bonds and Marion Jones - he just had to drag this on to himself.

[Mr Crunchy]

raja clemens is a bleeding f***ing idiot and now the entire world has accepted what i have been screaming from bangor to belize for the last 12 years.

david ortiz speaks better english

barry bonds is now more respected

and he brought all this on himself voluntarily,in fact its as if he tied the knot to the gallows and put the noose on his own neck

 

has anyone seen or heard from suzy""miss yankee 2007"" waldman?

has she killed herself for the good of baseball yet?