Schilling requires major shoulder surgery

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sports/red_sox/index.php/2008/02/07/schilling-issue-serious/

 

Yikes. Quite a blow prior to the season. It is unclear whether Schilling will try to pitch through it, but it sounds like either labrum or rotator cuff.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, now that the story is percolating, we should talk about it.

 

How does this effect the sox rotation now? This thrusts Buchholz right into the rotation, forces Lester to take the 4 slot and requires Wakefield to stay in the rotation too. Not too much leeway. Schilling as the 3 man gave the sox a postseason tested pitcher who when healthy could give close to 200IP. Now that he is out of the way, the rest of the rotation is a bit more of a ??. Regardless, with Beckett as the 1, you have a solid ace. But 2-5 now are a questionmark. While on our side, our ace isnt as good as Beckett, we do have a reliable 2, then 3 question marks. Should be a good yr.

[BudLight]

I believe Bartolo Colon is still unsigned

[Cocos Disciples]

That sucks.

[BSN07]

If its serious, then I'd totally expect Theo to get another SP.

 

Oak is said to be shopping Blanton, and they need a CF. Coco plus 1 or 2 prospects should net Blanton if they wanted to go that route.

 

Rosenthal source suggests a 50/50 chance Blanton is traded (presumably before the season starts).

This was posted earlier today before the news on Schilling broke.

Rosenthal notes that the bounty for Blanton will be less than that of Dan Haren, because Blanton is slightly more expensive and an inferior pitcher.

Coco + 1 or 2 prospects sounds like a pretty good deal.

 

Blanton could fit in nicely, and give you pretty much what Schill would, - the Playoff experience,+ durability/innings.

 

Colon I guess wouldnt be a bad option either I guess if worse came to worse. High risk hi reward type of thing I suppose. But he is said to want to pitch in the NL.

 

Isn't Lohse still available? Not sure I'd like that anyway...

[Thumper]

If it's rotator cuff he's done.

 

Good God this sucks.

[BSN07]

Ya it sucks but its not the end of the season or anything. Theres still plenty of time to replace him.

[yeszir]

The Globe is reporting that the sox are trying to void his contract for '08...

[jacksonianmarch]

Joe Blanton will need to net something a bit more than Coco plus 1 or 2 guys. He is under control for 3 more seasons. Plus, take a look at these numbers in the AL no less.

 

42-34 4.10ERA 633IP 1.31WHIP in 3 seasons. And aside from a poor 06, he has had 2 seasons where his WHIP was 1.22. To say this kid is a horse is underestimating. Plus, he just turned 27. I dont think Beane will pawn him off for nothing.

 

What Beane underestimated was the Mets willingness to empty the closet for Santana and the Yankees and Sox unwillingness to do the same. In Beane's perfect world, the Yankees would have gotten Santana and the Mets would have gone for Blanton out of desperation. Now, the Yankees and Sox dont have a dire need even with Schilling down for the count. So both teams could theoretically sit back and see when Beane bites. My guess is, Beane is looking for what the sox were offering for Santana. Coco, Masterson, Lowrie, Lester. The Sox wont give that up. But someone will and my guess is that the team will be in the NL. Those who wish to cite the Santana deal as optimism for getting Blanton at a cut rate need to remember that Santana was in his last yr. Blanton is under for 3 more. Beane needs not rush.

 

To be honest with you, I think the A's deal Harden first. I think the A's will showcase Harden in the first 2 months of the yr and when he is dominating, ship him out. Leaving Blanton to head a young rotation. Then after this yr, he will be dealt off.

[Paradisecity]

Santana looks a lot better right now...

[jacksonianmarch]

I believe Bartolo Colon is still unsigned

 

Colon was topping out at 85-88 when he was pitching in winter ball. Fat toad is done

[ORS]

Good news. According to Jacko and Gom, Schilling was toast heading into this year, so this should only make us better in their eyes. I fully expect predictions of the Sox taking the AL East from them now.

 

Ok, seriously, this isn't good, but nor is it season shattering. Schilling had successfully, IMO, made the transition from power pitcher to crafty pitcher with his diminished stuff. I'm confident that the kids will be able to replace his season production in total, but we'll see where that leaves us in October, where he was a force. The big thing, to me, will be in how the team handles this. Attempting to void his contract is the wrong move, IMO. He just negotiated his own deal w/o an agent at an under market amount, took the weight clause incentives, and all after putting his career on the line in '04. Nixing his deal now would play negatively amongst the players, both on the team and future free agents. Bad form. Don't do it.

[mtbykr]

Good news. According to Jacko and Gom, Schilling was toast heading into this year, so this should only make us better in their eyes. I fully expect predictions of the Sox taking the AL East from them now.

 

Ok, seriously, this isn't good, but nor is it season shattering. Schilling had successfully, IMO, made the transition from power pitcher to crafty pitcher with his diminished stuff. I'm confident that the kids will be able to replace his season production in total, but we'll see where that leaves us in October, where he was a force. The big thing, to me, will be in how the team handles this. Attempting to void his contract is the wrong move, IMO. He just negotiated his own deal w/o an agent at an under market amount, took the weight clause incentives, and all after putting his career on the line in '04. Nixing his deal now would play negatively amongst the players, both on the team and future free agents. Bad form. Don't do it.

 

 

Agree 100%

[26 to 6]

All this does is make me happy

 

Sorry guys

[BoSox21]

how the f*** does Schilling tear his rotator cuff playing Everquest?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Oh well. It doesn't concern me. With his age anyway I'd be just as comfortable with a rotation of Beckett, Dice-K, Jon Lester, Tim Wakefield, and Clay Bucholz, or something.

[riverside sluggers]

Well this certainly changes the outlook on the rotation...

 

If the Sox do void the contract, course its easy to say "well Buchholz will be in the starting rotation". Though it would be smart to add on a free agent starting pitcher. After Buchholz there isnt a lot of major league ready depth behind him to step in

 

The season hasnt started yet, so any talks about the season or state of the rotation as a question mark... its laughable

[ksushi]

Why do we need to go out and get a starter? I think signing Schilling for this year was quite a luxury and we only did it because of the discount in guarenteed dollars he was willing to take. Right now, our opening day rotation looks like: Beckett, DiceK, Wake, Lester and Buchholz. I'm not about to overspend in talent to bring in a league average starter like Blanton if I'm theo epstien.

[mAAAbs]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Is he out for the season with surgery? Or can he do without the surgery and pitch at less than 100%?

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm hearing conflicting reports. Is he out for the season with surgery? Or can he do without the surgery and pitch at less than 100%?

 

Buchholz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Schilling playing hurt at age 41. Don't risk hurting him further.

[Thumper]

how the f*** does Schilling tear his rotator cuff playing Everquest?

 

Nice one.

[mAAAbs]

Buchholz>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Schilling playing hurt at age 41. Don't risk hurting him further.

 

So I guess this may be his career. I will never forget his walk off the mound in game 6 of the ALCS.

[mAAAbs]

Link

 

Now it's being reported that Schilling will NOT have surgery on his shoulder. He will be back as soon as the All - Star break. I'm glad to hear it, as long as we have him for the stretch run. Becket, Daisuke, and Schilling sounds better than Becket, Daisuke, and Wakefield in the playoffs.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I don't care at all about Curt Schilling in the regular season. I just want him back for the final 1-2 months and the playoffs if we make it.

 

Certainly I would look into more options to add depth in the rotation but I wouldn't act desperate. Coco Crisp is the obvious choice to trade but you have to consider how much he increases the strength of the pitching staff.

 

Turns out Kason Gabbard may have had a spot going into this season.

[riverside sluggers]

Link

 

Now it's being reported that Schilling will NOT have surgery on his shoulder. He will be back as soon as the All - Star break. I'm glad to hear it, as long as we have him for the stretch run. Becket, Daisuke, and Schilling sounds better than Becket, Daisuke, and Wakefield in the playoffs.

 

Buchholz or Lester would easily supplant Wake as the #3 starter in the playoffs

[TheKilo]

All this does is make me happy

 

Sorry guys

 

See sig, ****stain.

[Matt]

The Red Sox want Schilling to rehab his shoulder, where as Schilling wants to have surgery. This tells me that the injury is a serious one, and that Schilling does not believe he will be able to fully recover this season.

 

Knowing that, the Red Sox need to find a starter. Wakefield is going to need days off during the season, and Buchholz is far too young to start 35 games in the majors at this point in his career.

 

I think that the Red Sox should try and shop Coco Crisp, along with a mid-level prospect, for a #4 or #5 starter. Only other options are making Tavarez or Kyle Snyder a spot starter, or to sign Kyle Lohse. Personally, I'd rather try and make a trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox will be leaning on the kids a whole lot more now. I bet Theo hoped to have Buchholz curtail his innings in AAA to start the yr then have the luxury of moving Wake to the pen or Buch fill in when there was a need. Now, though, they are stretched. Unfortunately, the other options arent all that awesome.

 

Tavarez has asked repeatedly to be dealt this offseason. And while it will behoove the sox to keep him around, a pissed off Tavarez may not be the best thing to keep in the clubhouse. Add to that the fact that he was a pretty horrible starter and you have a pretty good reason to jettison him for anything of value.

 

Kyle Snyder is not the answer. He was putrid post AS break and has shown that his stuff typically is best once through the order.

 

Devern Hansack isnt the answer.

 

Now, regardless, if Lester is serviceable, Wake stays healthy and Buchholz tows the line, then they are fine. But if one of them flames out, gets injured, etc, then that will force Masterson and Bowden to grow up mighty quickly.

 

Hence, losing Schill doesnt matter too much if the sox pitching stays as healthy as it has been over the past few yrs. But, have a a yr like we did last yr, where 14 pitchers started at least one game, and we got 38 starts from these guys (Karstens, Rasner, Pavano, Wright, Igawa, Clippard, DeSalvo, Henn) and you are in trouble.

[TheKilo]

We'll see. I don't think 2008 production from Buchholz is different from 2008 Schilling. I am concerned about the 180 innings being used up rather quickly though.

[Mr Crunchy]

well this is a bizarre and also an interesting scenario here forgetting about the competetive thing for a moment

schillings efforts in the 04 playoffs were incredible and a risk to his career which at that point only would mean this 1 year deal wouldve been null had he not been able to return.

thats how it worked out anyways

now

he signs for the short dollar and for 1 yr rather early on in the negotiation stages of free agency

hes thrilled

the brass is thrilled and

tito i suspect is ecstatic having a vet showing the young guys all about proffesional pitching and how to prepare for a 35 start 200 ip season

somethings amiss

he was shelved a few miserable starts after the oakland 8 2/3 nono and came back to be effective down the stretch..it was our giant lead that allowed this to happen and it played out perfectly...still his power was just gone,rarely topping 90 and using a curve ball more than ever...his split was somewhat effective but hes a 200k a year guy who cant throw the ball by too many hitters anymore..

point is

was he hurt?wasnt he administered a dozen mri's last year alone and i suspect b4 his new deal was insured this fall?

nothing showed an injury in november??

im no orthopedic

i do know a labrum or cuff means the season is toast

out of gratitude the sox should eat the s*** sandwhich but if he was ruined before he signed and knew it then i think he should be held accountable and believe me

if he was injured,not hurt,injured,he'd know it before any test was given