Cy Young Watch

[ksushi]

I believe its released at 2 P.M.

 

CC seems to be the favorite. Hopefully Beckett can pull off the upset. Hard to imagine the majors only 20 game winner as an underdog but i guess it is so...

[TheKilo]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071113&content_id=2299400&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Sabathia wins it.

[VA Sox Fan]

Dammit, was afraid it was going to go to CC, congrats big man.

[BoSox21]

f***ing hell

[soxfan17881]

Such ********. Sabathia is a great pitcher, but Beckett out-shined him this year.

[das11209]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071113&content_id=2299400&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Sabathia wins it.

 

That's a shame considering Becket beat him twice in the post-season.

 

And yeah - I know that ballets have been closed before post-season - still sucks.

[TheKilo]

Voting:

 

http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/2007/2007_AL_cy.html

 

[table]Pitcher|1st|2nd|3rd|Total

Sabathia|19|8|0|119

Beckett|8|14|4|86

Lackey|1|5|16|36

Carmona|0|1|4|7

Bedard|0|0|1|1

Hallady|0|0|1|1

Santana|0|0|1|1

Verlander|0|0|1|1[/table]

[TheKilo]

Such ********. Sabathia is a great pitcher' date=' but Beckett out-shined him this year.[/quote']

 

No, he didn't. This was an easy choice for the sportswriters. They got it right.

[mtbykr]

Kind of figured it would turn out that way, it could have gone either way. Without that finger 'avulsion' maybe beckett has another win or two that seals it for him.

[das11209]

Not even close - anti east coast bias!!!

[mtbykr]

Voting:

 

http://www.baseballwriters.org/awards/2007/2007_AL_cy.html

 

[table]Pitcher|1st|2nd|3rd|Total

Sabathia|19|8|0|119

Beckett|8|14|4|86

Lackey|1|5|16|36

Carmona|0|1|4|7

Bedard|0|0|1|1

Hallady|0|0|1|1

Santana|0|0|1|1

Verlander|0|0|1|1[/table]

 

 

 

Who would vote for Beckett 3rd?

[redsoxrules]

im kinda surprised, I figured the 20 win would be a big advantage like colon had a few years back

[mtbykr]

2 people left Beckett off the ballet and 1 person left Sabathia off.........exactly what season were these guys watching to not think they were the top?

[TedWilliams101]

I'm just a bit disappointed. I think their Playoff performances should have been considered. Beckett had a better TOTAL season. Playoffs are the most important part of the year. Sabathia sucked and Beckett dominated. I think that easily gives Beckett the edge.

[ksushi]

Sabathia was a better regular season pitcher than Beckett. Carmona probably outshined them both... but thats another debate for a cleveland message board. They got it right. Had Beckett and CC swapped run support, CC would have been far and away the better choice. The only thing that made it close were the Boston bats.

[TheKilo]

I'm just a bit disappointed. I think their Playoff performances should have been considered. Beckett had a better TOTAL season. Playoffs are the most important part of the year. Sabathia sucked and Beckett dominated. I think that easily gives Beckett the edge.

 

That's not the rules so debating this fact is an exercise in futility.

[redsoxrules]

I'm just a bit disappointed. I think their Playoff performances should have been considered. Beckett had a better TOTAL season. Playoffs are the most important part of the year. Sabathia sucked and Beckett dominated. I think that easily gives Beckett the edge.

 

too bad the CY has nothing to do with the playoffs , CC won because of his IP , wich cost him big time in the playoffs , he was tired

[26 to 6]

HOW DID WANG NOT WIN IT!??? haha lol im only playing.

 

Good stuff C.C., congrats to him.

[mtbykr]

WEEI is talking about that the media the baseball writers of America sent out said "Jose Beckett"............nice job guys!

[mtbykr]

I'm just a bit disappointed. I think their Playoff performances should have been considered. Beckett had a better TOTAL season. Playoffs are the most important part of the year. Sabathia sucked and Beckett dominated. I think that easily gives Beckett the edge.

 

The reason they don't do it is because if a guy is on a team that doesn't make the postseason, then he's at a disadvantage...........although how often does a guy win it who isn't on a playoff team?

[mtbykr]

Sabathia was a better regular season pitcher than Beckett. Carmona probably outshined them both... but thats another debate for a cleveland message board. They got it right. Had Beckett and CC swapped run support' date=' CC would have been far and away the better choice. The only thing that made it close were the Boston bats.[/quote']

 

You could also make the argument that Beckett had to pitch in the AL East so it was tougher for him. I think the strikeouts had a big part in it, the media loves them and that's what always get's the time on 'sportscenter' and the likes.

[ksushi]

CC won because of his IP

 

Yeah.... and his better ERA, K/BB, 4 CG's and more pitching win shares (23 to 18, CC over Josh)

 

The only arguement Beckett really has (other than the shiny number 20) is that he pitched I think like 75 innings against playoff teams including the Yankees who had the best offense overall. Sabathia had 29 innings against playoff teams and never once pitched to the yanks. Beckett had a tougher road and more run support. Sabathia had an easier schedule but less run support (5.something a game, still a good amount.)

 

That said, Sabathia had to win it. Him or Carmona.

[TedWilliams101]

I agree that the award should be based on the regular season, but the fact is that Beckett faced Sabathia in the playoffs. Beckett dominated and won both games, Sabathia got lit up. If Sabathia didn't pitch in the playoffs, than this comparison is moot. If Sabathia pitch well in the playoffs, as well as Beckett, the comparison is moot. But the fact is that Sabathia faced Beckett in the playoffs, when the games matter the most, and Beckett dominated while Sabathia got lit up. I just don't think you can ignore that. I guess I'm just surprised that wasn't in the back of the voters heads.

[redsoxrules]

Yeah.... and his better ERA, K/BB, 4 CG's and more pitching win shares (23 to 18, CC over Josh)

 

The only arguement Beckett really has (other than the shiny number 20) is that he pitched I think like 75 innings against playoff teams including the Yankees who had the best offense overall. Sabathia had 29 innings against playoff teams and never once pitched to the yanks. Beckett had a tougher road and more run support. Sabathia had an easier schedule but less run support (5.something a game, still a good amount.)

 

That said, Sabathia had to win it. Him or Carmona.

 

their ERA was about same, WHIP the same, beckett had a better K/9 and OPPBA , CC had better K/BB , the IP was the difference

[TheKilo]

I agree that the award should be based on the regular season' date=' but the fact is that Beckett faced Sabathia in the playoffs. Beckett dominated and won both games, Sabathia got lit up. If Sabathia didn't pitch in the playoffs, than this comparison is moot. If Sabathia pitch well in the playoffs, as well as Beckett, the comparison is moot. But the fact is that Sabathia faced Beckett in the playoffs, when the games matter the most, and Beckett dominated while Sabathia got lit up. I just don't think you can ignore that.[/quote']

 

CC Sabathia also pitched 40 more innings than Beckett during the regular season while putting up equivalent numbers.

 

Are you telling me that these extra 40 innings had nothing to do with the way Sabathia pitched in the playoffs? I don't think you can ignore that factor.

[TheKilo]

guess I'm just surprised that wasn't in the back of the voters heads.

 

The vote takes place once the regular season ends.

[soxfan17881]

No' date=' he didn't. This was an easy choice for the sportswriters. They got it right.[/quote']

 

I don't agree.

 

http://philsox/spieles.com/images/sabvbeckett.jpghttp://philsox.spieles.com/images/sabvbeckett.jpg

 

And what's more, going into the ALCS, every talking head outside of Ohio proper had Beckett ahead, including many who vote. So what the hell was it they saw in the ALCS (which shouldn't be considered anyway) that would make ANYONE believe that Sabathia was a better pitcher than Beckett?

[soxfan17881]

CC Sabathia also pitched 40 more innings than Beckett during the regular season while putting up equivalent numbers.

 

Are you telling me that these extra 40 innings had nothing to do with the way Sabathia pitched in the playoffs? I don't think you can ignore that factor.

 

There's two sides to that coin. Sure, Sabathia pitched more innings and that may have effected his post season. On the other hand, that means he needed more appearances that Beckett to rack up a win total that was still one shy of Beckett.

 

And like many have mentioned, the post season isn't supposed to factor in.

[soxfan17881]

You could also make the argument that Beckett had to pitch in the AL East so it was tougher for him. I think the strikeouts had a big part in it' date=' the media loves them and that's what always get's the time on 'sportscenter' and the likes.[/quote']

 

Very good point.

[TedWilliams101]

Sox Fan just hit the nail on the head. Sabathia had 4 more starts than Beckett. Beckett was better PER START than Sabathia.

 

On MLB.com they made a big point about run support. I don't see how it is relevant in this case. Beckett had 1 more win in 4 less starts than Sabathia, while giving up the same amount of runs per inning. I would give the edge to Beckett.