Where will A-Rod land?

[TheKilo]

Agreed YAZ! YES!

 

Shocking.

[Paradisecity]

 

 

Also, I love the fact you insinuate DiceK is a better postseason hitter based off of two f***ing at bats.

 

Bravo, sir.

 

I'm pretty positive that there was just a hint of sarcasm in the dice k statement. Perhaps you are missing it, or perhaps you are intentionally overlooking it so that you can be an ass. Either way, Bravo to you, sir.

 

 

 

As far as the price. Is .314 54 156 worth more than TWICE AS MUCH as .324 21 120 when the latter is considered by everyone he plays with to be a clubhouse guy who helps the development of younger players and is a team leader and the former is considered by those who have played with him to be an arrogant guy whose presence creates clubhouse problems, intentional or otherwise?

 

 

The price, for ANY player, should never exceed a 5 year deal. People get hurt, and coughing up 30M per season for someone who could have a Matt Clement like injury would be devastating and ruin a team for a decade. Yes, it is generally pitchers, who get hurt but not solely. Furthermore, when dealing with this large an amount of money there ARE intangibles involved, and one of them SHOULD be how a player is received by his teammates.

 

 

Kevin Millar sucked. Kevin Millar also made peanuts. Wanna tell me they win without him and his shots of JD in '04? Perhaps we should have picked up Aubrey Huff and signed him to a 5 year, 100 Million dollar deal instead? That would have worked out well. How many World Series titles do Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez have?

 

 

I bet you're a big fan of Eric Lindros.

[TheKilo]

I'm pretty positive that there was just a hint of sarcasm in the dice k statement. Perhaps you are missing it' date=' or perhaps you are intentionally overlooking it so that you can be an ass. Either way, Bravo to you, sir.[/quote']

 

I'm sure. However, even mentioning it as a reason to forgo even exploring ARod's services is foolish in and of itself. And if he's being sarcastic, he's hurting his own argument.

 

Besides, I'm sure he's a big boy and can fight his battles himself. It seems there's a group that defends each other to a fault here, so for having his back so nobly I say Bravo to you, Sir.

 

As far as the price. Is .314 54 156 worth more than TWICE AS MUCH as .324 21 120 when the latter is considered by everyone he plays with to be a clubhouse guy who helps the development of younger players and is a team leader and the former is considered by those who have played with him to be an arrogant guy whose presence creates clubhouse problems, intentional or otherwise?

 

Probably not. The vibe I get from YAZMAN and VA is that regardless of the price, they wouldn't want ARod on the team. That's foolish. If he agreed to $20 million per, would you turn down that deal?

 

The $30 million mark is the extreme price Boras wants. I'd be shocked if anyone gave it to him.

 

The price, for ANY player, should never exceed a 5 year deal. People get hurt, and coughing up 30M per season for someone who could have a Matt Clement like injury would be devastating and ruin a team for a decade. Yes, it is generally pitchers, who get hurt but not solely. Furthermore, when dealing with this large an amount of money there ARE intangibles involved, and one of them SHOULD be how a player is received by his teammates.

 

I agree, actually. Thing is ARod has been healthy his whole career, and again, I feel the $30 million figure is the high end of what Boras wants.

 

There is merit to the length of contract discussion, and the potential crippling of a team's payroll with that contract. However, to completely dismiss the idea is foolish seeing as ARod could very well fit a need for this team.

 

As for being received by his teammates, do you think ARod would be a clubhouse cancer seeing as he is good friends with both Manny and Ortiz, both noted clubhouse leaders?

 

 

Kevin Millar sucked. Kevin Millar also made peanuts. Wanna tell me they win without him and his shots of JD in '04? Perhaps we should have picked up Aubrey Huff and signed him to a 5 year, 100 Million dollar deal instead? That would have worked out well. How many World Series titles do Barry Bonds and Alex Rodriguez have?

 

 

Zero.

 

 

I bet you're a big fan of Eric Lindros.

 

Nah f*** that guy.

[VA Sox Fan]

Shocking.

 

Now you know that's not true

[VA Sox Fan]

Probably not. The vibe I get from YAZMAN and VA is that regardless of the price' date=' they wouldn't want ARod on the team. That's foolish. If he agreed to $20 million per, would you turn down that deal?[/quote']

 

Foolish (is a matter of opinion) or not, no I absolutely wouldn't want him on the team, whether he wanted $20 mil or $60 mil/year. I can't stand the guy and nothing will change that fact. If the Sox sign him, I'll deal with it and move on as I love The Boston Red Sox. The FO will do only what is best for the team and obviously aren't afraid to make unpopular decisions (Nomar, Damon) as they are businessmen.

 

Kilo, I don't agree with some of the people's posts out here, but I'm not going to try to change their minds by arguing over and over.

 

I can't wait for some one to sign his Fraudulent ass so this s*** can end.

 

Agree to disagree, dude, and move on for f***'s sake.

[chacha]

i dont care where his ass or his purple lips land- f***in japan would be fine by me

if its with the sox so be it- ( he is a hell of a ballplayer)

 

i root fot the name on the front of the uni, not the back

 

the only thing i dont want is his salary cluttering up the team so they cant make other moves when needed

and i dont think the fo will let that happen

[TheKilo]

Foolish (is a matter of opinion) or not, no I absolutely wouldn't want him on the team, whether he wanted $20 mil or $60 mil/year. I can't stand the guy and nothing will change that fact. If the Sox sign him, I'll deal with it and move on as I love The Boston Red Sox. The FO will do only what is best for the team and obviously aren't afraid to make unpopular decisions (Nomar, Damon) as they are businessmen.

 

Kilo, I don't agree with some of the people's posts out here, but I'm not going to try to change their minds by arguing over and over.

 

I can't wait for some one to sign his Fraudulent ass so this s*** can end.

 

Agree to disagree, dude, and move on for f***'s sake.

 

This is a place for discussion. Sorry if I continue to voice my opinion on the matter (and FTR, I want them to re-sign Lowell instead of committing so much to ARod), but merely dismissing the notion just because people don't like the guy is foolish.

[Paradisecity]

I dont defend anyone other than Mr. Logic. I defend Mr. Crunchy sometimes when his boyfriend Mr. Shaughnessy takes to the bottle and wails too hard on him, but thats a different story.

 

Do i think he'd be a "cancer"? Probably not.

 

Do i think he'd bring lots of unnecessary "sportscenter" like atmoshpere to our clubhouse, ANY clubhouse? Absolutely, and I think it should significantly decrease his market value in a place where that additional attention won't sell any more tickets and won't increase marketing to make it worth it.

 

Would i take A-Rod for 20 M. Yes.

 

22M? Maybe

30 for 10 years? No f***ing way.

 

As far as the contract length, yes, A-Rod has never been injured. This changes very little, IMO. Ken Griffey Jr had two seasons out of 12 under 145 games when he reached 30. Imagine if someone had been on the hook for 30M per year of the last 7 years of Griffey?

[TheKilo]

I dont defend anyone other than Mr. Logic. I defend Mr. Crunchy sometimes when his boyfriend Mr. Shaughnessy takes to the bottle and wails too hard on him, but thats a different story.

 

Do i think he'd be a "cancer"? Probably not.

 

Do i think he'd bring lots of unnecessary "sportscenter" like atmoshpere to our clubhouse, ANY clubhouse? Absolutely, and I think it should significantly decrease his market value in a place where that additional attention won't sell any more tickets and won't increase marketing to make it worth it.

 

Would i take A-Rod for 20 M. Yes.

 

22M? Maybe

30 for 10 years? No f***ing way.

 

As far as the contract length, yes, A-Rod has never been injured. This changes very little, IMO. Ken Griffey Jr had two seasons out of 12 under 145 games when he reached 30. Imagine if someone had been on the hook for 30M per year of the last 7 years of Griffey?

 

I think we're in agreement then. All I was trying to say is that completely dismissing the notion was not a smart idea.

[VA Sox Fan]

This is a place for discussion. Sorry if I continue to voice my opinion on the matter (and FTR' date=' I want them to re-sign Lowell instead of committing so much to ARod), but merely dismissing the notion just because people don't like the guy is foolish.[/quote']

 

 

I'm with you on Lowell, no doubt. Call me foolish for not wanting his bush league, misfit ass, a guy that Jeter wouldn't even defend (although he did defend Giambi). The thought of Bonds in Red Sox is even more ridiculous.

 

I like the discussion as much as anyone, like I said, just can't wait until some team signs him, it's going to be a LONG off season....<_>

[redsoxrules]

350 million ? theres no way any teams pays that for him

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277

[He Hate Me]

350 million ? theres no way any teams pays that for him

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277

 

I literally laughed when I read that

[rician blast]

If true, then I guess they wanted to guarantee New York DIDN"T talk with them.

[Paradisecity]

The scary thing is that Boras probably will get what he's claiming.... he usually does.

[TheKilo]

The scary thing is that Boras probably will get what he's claiming.... he usually does.

 

Not always.

 

IIRC, he wanted 7/$100 mil for Damon. He got half of that. I'm sure there are other instances as well.

[redsoxrules]

Not always.

 

IIRC, he wanted 7/$100 mil for Damon. He got half of that. I'm sure there are other instances as well.

 

im pretty sure that he wanted more for DiceK than he got too

[Paradisecity]

Oh there are plenty of other instance.

 

The difference is that he WALKED AWAY WITHOUT EVEN HEARING the deal the yanks put out there for enormous money.

[TheKilo]

Oh there are plenty of other instance.

 

The difference is that he WALKED AWAY WITHOUT EVEN HEARING the deal the yanks put out there for enormous money.

 

Right...which will hurt Boras's bargaining power, resulting in a smaller payday for his client.

 

He took the largest bidder out of the equation.

[YAZMAN]

The vibe I get from YAZMAN and VA is that regardless of the price, they wouldn't want ARod on the team. That's foolish. If he agreed to $20 million per, would you turn down that deal?

 

The $30 million mark is the extreme price Boras wants. I'd be shocked if anyone gave it to him.

 

It's a moot point, he'd never be available for a price I'd consider reasonable compared to Lowell's salary, production, and importance to the organization as a great veteran teammate. And the writing on the wall as far as The Fraud is concerned is how much he talked about loving NY, blahblahblah, then turns around and walks away from a buttload of guaranteed cash without even so much as speaking to them. To me he's a guy who will never be as important to a team as Mike Lowell, regardless of whatever MVP numbers he puts up. Having a guy like him will always be at the expense of giving up something else,something vital.

 

As for the Dice comment, of course it was even more tongue-in-cheek than the actual Toledo offer itself.

[das11209]

It's a moot point, he'd never be available for a price I'd consider reasonable compared to Lowell's salary, production, and importance to the organization as a great veteran teammate. And the writing on the wall as far as The Fraud is concerned is how much he talked about loving NY, blahblahblah, then turns around and walks away from a buttload of guaranteed cash without even so much as speaking to them. To me he's a guy who will never be as important to a team as Mike Lowell, regardless of whatever MVP numbers he puts up. Having a guy like him will always be at the expense of giving up something else,something vital.

 

As for the Dice comment, of course it was even more tongue-in-cheek than the actual Toledo offer itself.

 

Did not Damon say he will never go to the Yankees? I don't think anyone in RSN called him a fraud before he took the Yankee offer.They are professional baseball player - I kinda get it that he is not mother Teresa.

 

I disagree with all of you that A-Rod is all about money - maybe Boras is all about money. If it is only money - A-Rod will at least listen to the big offer Cashman was piling for him. He could have always opted out later. A-Rod needs a little love - he needs to be 'the guy' in the clubhouse. Yeah - he will get paid - but he will not make more than if he would have stayed with Yankees considering endoresement etc.

[VA Sox Fan]

Did not Damon say he will never go to the Yankees? .

 

Yes he did. Funny thing is.........Remember when Damon's dad said the Red Sox wouldn't win another WS after trading his son? How'd that work out? Just sayin'

[example1]

Right...which will hurt Boras's bargaining power, resulting in a smaller payday for his client.

 

He took the largest bidder out of the equation.

 

You don't think this was actually just A-Rod saying "f*** you" to the Yankees and NY in general? I am assuming this guy is harboring some pretty deep resentment for being booed despite hitting 30+ HR and 120+ RBI in 2006. The Yankee "love" for A-Rod has really been bandwagonism at its best, as most Yankee fans didn't let A-Rod ride through his difficulties while they were frustrated with the overall direction of the team.

 

He figures, if the Yankee fans aren't smart enough to know that pitching wins championships just as much as (if not more than) offense does, they don't deserve him.

 

I'm actually wondering if he'll end up taking a deal that is less than what the Yankees offered him. The Red Sox were willing to get very creative with him a few years ago in terms of secondary benefits to his contract but the players union held it back because it reduced the value of his contract. I'm pretty sure he's free to reduce the value of his contract if he wants to.

 

I doubt Boras will push for less than before, but I think a big part of his choice to leave was that he wanted to LEAVE and didn't have much interest in playing for the Yankees.

[das11209]

Yes he did. Funny thing is.........Remember when Damon's dad said the Red Sox wouldn't win another WS after trading his son? How'd that work out? Just sayin'

 

Damon must be kicking his own ass for going to NYY. It's not only about another ring - when is the last time some chick told him 'You sexy beast - let me give you a deep-throat BJ'.

[castigs850]

IMO if the redsox enter the sweepstakes then they will get him, and that's only going to happen if Lowell does infact leave. Otherwise i think the Dodgers will get him.

[example1]

The Sox would be wise to sweep Mike Lowell off the market right away and watch A-Rod go to some other non-NY team. I would love to have A-Rod, but the pleasure would be diminished if Lowell went to NY. The ideal case is that neither goes to NY and we get one of the two.

[Thumper]

The Sox would be wise to sweep Mike Lowell off the market right away and watch A-Rod go to some other non-NY team. I would love to have A-Rod' date=' but the pleasure would be diminished if Lowell went to NY. The ideal case is that neither goes to NY and we get one of the two.[/quote']

 

I don't care where A-Rod goes to be honest, I just want Mikey back.

[Thumper]

Holy s***, A-Rod WANTS to play for Boston.

 

Red Sox would be No.1 on A-Rod's list

Sunday, Nov 4, 2007 8:12 am EST

 

Citing sources close to Alex Rodriguez, the Boston Globe reported Sunday that if Rodriguez could handpick the team he plays for, the Boston Red Sox might be No. 1 on his list.

 

According to The Globe, the source said Rodriguez would love to play for the Sox because he thinks they can win multiple championships.

 

Also, agent Scott Boras has been pleasantly surprised with the early interest in Rodriguez. "Several teams have expressed an interest and there have been a couple of surprise teams I never expected to hear from," he said. Boras would not reveal any names (one of the surprise teams is thought to be the Marlins).

 

Source: The Boston Globe

[Cocos Disciples]

I'll take him. Not my money.

[Thumper]

I could care less. Personally I'd rather Lowell, but I just find it ironic that A-Rod picks Boston as his number one place to go. Unless that's just more PA ********.

[CrespoBlows]

Damon must be kicking his own ass for going to NYY. It's not only about another ring - when is the last time some chick told him 'You sexy beast - let me give you a deep-throat BJ'.

 

Probably, yesterday.

 

Oh, and what the .......?