Thanks for the memories, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

[redsoxrules]

A manager that has been in control of multiple $200+ million teams and lost in the first round of the playoffs three years in a row is being let go. Sounds like a good decision to me.

 

really? so its joe's fault that Wang absolutely s*** the bed in 2 starts? or how about jeter's 3 for 17 with 1 RBI's ? or posada with his 2 for 15 with 0 RBI's , I could go on and on

 

also pitching wins ballgame , and the yanks didn't have it , you're not gona win a WS with crappy starting pitching . if someone is to blame its cashman

[Mr Crunchy]

its not joes fault

he didnt lose the team

christ they played close to 700 baseball down the stretch

they just havent been built for october since the giambi signing and the colossal failures of all their free agents

all of them

kevin brown

javier vasquez

jose contreras

jeff weaver

carl pavano

jarret wright

mrs farnsworth

randy johnson

steve karsay

boogaloo chacon

fill in the ones i missed fellas

 

this aint on joe

no sa

hes the fall guy for everyone and this happens to a lot of good men

im not remotely a torre guy but when youre the odds on favorites to win it all every year and have a payroll doubling your closest rival and quadrupling most teams....

well someone is going to fall when you aint gettin it done

 

hes a class act

i wont miss his pinky knuckle deep in his nostril

[ORS]

There are a couple of things here that I think are right on.

 

One, Joe is not a savy manager for the season. Kilo mentioned how he had to manage to win every game this season because of the bad start, but I feel the bad start didn't have a whole lot to do with that. He's always rode "his" guys too hard in the regular season, and managed to win every game. Ironically, this is actually the make-up you want from your postseason manager. Their recent failure in the postseason is not due to the manager.

 

The reason is point number two. They've been bounced early lately because they had weaker pitching in every series (except the '02 series to LAA, who were just hitting the piss out of everything in October).

 

The interesting thing to note about this is the trend with his bullpen overuse. It wasn't an issue when they won 4 in 5 years because he had great starting pitching. He didn't get chance to wear "his" guys out. The starters when deep into games, limiting the exposure of the bullpen. As the rotation became more and more deficient, his bullpen usage became more and more problematic because the guys he trusted logged more and more innings.

 

So, like Crunch said, Torre will be the fall guy for Cashman's ineptitude. It's not surprising. Look a picture of Cash. He reeks of mealy mouthed, spineless, CYA jerkoff.

[yankees228]

really? so its joe's fault that Wang absolutely s*** the bed in 2 starts? or how about jeter's 3 for 17 with 1 RBI's ? or posada with his 2 for 15 with 0 RBI's , I could go on and on

 

also pitching wins ballgame , and the yanks didn't have it , you're not gona win a WS with crappy starting pitching . if someone is to blame its cashman

 

Well said.

[Mr Crunchy]

see the billion dollars in wasted contracts from the above mentioned scatine for clarity

[jacksonianmarch]

But Joe Torre doesn't throw and hit the baseball.

 

then how exactly is a manager judged? If the blame is always on the players, why are managers even fired? There are times where you just need a fresh face. The air stagnates, the fire goes out and you just need a fresh start. Now I could continue on for days about the failures of Torre, but he does have a strong enough resume to counteract anything I say. So, I'll leave it with this. The yankee guard is changing. The old are leaving/retiring, the young are growing up. Torre is a manager of egos, of consistency, of (as I said before) autopilot. Having to nurture kids through the 162 is something I dont think he is equipped for and I'd rather see these kids grow up in the right environment than suck them into the Torre feeder and ruin their careers.

[redsoxrules]

jacko, change your avatar you sore loser

[Mr Crunchy]

youre right mj

you know ive been calling him a s*** bag manager for years too

hes had all the weapons and failed and this years team just wasnt made for the post season

3-2 2-1 and 5-4 games are the october rule rather than the 12-10 games he was winning during the season

hes just not that good and if the reason for keeping him is cause the players love him well then the players cornholed their beloved joe out of 3 straight series that were more than winnable...

you cant fire the team said harry sinden

when he fired beloved tommy johnson the year after the bruins lost 1-0 in game 7 against philly...ive hated harry since and he rarely let me forgive him in these last 33 years

[jacksonianmarch]

jacko' date=' change your avatar you sore loser[/quote']

 

to what?

[redsoxrules]

to what?

 

remember this thread?

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/contests-prizes/8555-put-your-loyalty-test.html

[jacksonianmarch]

better?

[redsoxrules]

better?

 

YES

[redsoxrules]

jacko what about cashman? IMO he deserves alot of blame too

[jacksonianmarch]

jacko what about cashman? IMO he deserves alot of blame too

 

Cashman got a lot of quick fixes on short term deals so he could bridge the gap between now and the future. The 3 guys who will be occupying the last spots in our rotation are Cashman's crew. If they fail and the reloading fails, he will be axed. But right now, he has done all he could with the remnants he was handed.

[ARod2212]

Cashman has been good in that he's held on to the young pitcher we've cultivated, and added others via trades. Even if the dividends haven't been immediate, he's set us up pretty good for the next decade.

[jacksonianmarch]

He's trying to change the culture of continually buying talent. I like it. I enjoy the idea that we could have a player for his entire 15 yr career rather than the final 3.

[26 to 6]

stop relying on senior citizen arms and proven choke artists to get you over the top and then you may have a shot.

you had no business beating the twins that year either for the record.

joe nathan blew 2 saves if i recall?

Well then if that's the case then you guys had no business beating us that year because as I recall Mo had a mishap or two. Correct?

 

 

..but I know what you're saying, we were lucky to get passed them that year. I vaguely remember a bad call or something that went our way in one of the games. Anyone?

 

I love Joe Girardi, but you have to admit that he was only dealing with young, ego-less guys. That won't be the case in the Bronx, and I don't know if JoeG can handle that.

No, I don't think Girardi would do too well either n that aspect. I do however think that Don Mattingly would do a hell of a job. He seems to mesh well with all the players and they all look up to him. Plus he's got a Torre-like calm demeanor. Despite being considered the favorite to be the eventual successor for Torre for quite some time now, it seems over the past few weeks Mattingly has lost that distinction. I dont know if it's because of how soon Torre is leaving and that there would be concerns to whether or not Donnie's ready, or what the case is. But if you ask me I would go with Don Mattingly. That also leaves our coaching staff in place for the most part, rather than having a new skipper (i.e. LaRussa) bring in his own staff. Ronnie stays on as pitching coach, Long as hitting coach (I think he did an excellent job this year working with the players. People i've talked to say they like him a lot and he does a good job, especially with preperation), MAYBE move Bowa to the bench, but that's not even necessary. If that's the case though you could easily insert Robby Thompson in as the 3B coach, or even shift Pena over there if not bringing in someone else altogether (For some reason I have this feeling Pena might not be there anyway. I hope he is, as he also does a good job as catching instructor, but who knows at this point).

 

Basically what i'm saying is if Mattingly got the job it would be a smooth transition from Joe to Donnie, rather than Joe to LaRussa or Showalter or someone.

 

...Call me crazy, but if not Donnie I wouldn't mind seeing Bobby V in pinstripes. Valentine has always been a favorite of mine, he knows NY, and I wouldn't mind the hilarious media sessions

 

If LaRussa comes anywhere near this team however, it would not end up good. On th field he's as good as anyone, but there is NO WAY Tony LaRussa could handle being the manager of the New York Yankees.

[Mr Crunchy]

tuff giving the keys to a 50 year old guy who goes by donny and based on how this team hit in october i would give him a boot in the ass out the door

and what is with this joe girardi talk?

what has he done outside piss off the entire organization in miami??

i dont recall any parades or champagne in his managerial career

1 of the 10 ex mlb managers who are currently on the payroll will emerge

look for tony pena

[ARod2212]

Girardi won Manager of the Year in Florida, and was fired because Loria is stupid. He's working for YES, and wants the job in NY. That's enough reason to have him in the speculation.

 

I can live with Mattingly doing the job, I just don't know if he's ready to be a manager. I wouldn't mind him working. I can't stand Valentine because of his personality, and I'd prefer we kept him away from the Yankees.

 

Edit- Also, Mattingly is 46. 2 years younger than 48 year old Terry Francona.

[Mr Crunchy]

i dunno

donny skippy chipper....they annoy me whatever reason

generally by 35 the pre teen names are dropped for the christian names but whatever

the yanks bats were a 200M disaster this october from soup to nuts with the exception of damon and cano...hitters dont always make hottong coaches but i dont pay enuff attention to his technique to make a valid argument for his dismissal outside the rancid performaces agoinst carmona and paul byrd,who they shouldve crucified..

 

girardi is a prick

i dont know if he can handle the gigantic egos in that dugout without humiliation

[Taliesin]

The speculation is all moo...or a cow's opinion: It doesn't matter. The Nose Picker comes back because they lose Mo and Posada if he doesn't. The inmates run the asylum. Either they are giving him a cordial out by offering him less to come back or he says he's coming back regardless of salary. I'm rooting for another season just because MJ will freak out.

 

Also, that's the last I'm going to comment on this also ran until after the playoffs. The real teams are still playing. And life is f***ing good.

[See Red]

The speculation is all moo...or a cow's opinion: It doesn't matter. The Nose Picker comes back because they lose Mo and Posada if he doesn't. The inmates run the asylum. Either they are giving him a cordial out by offering him less to come back or he says he's coming back regardless of salary. I'm rooting for another season just because MJ will freak out.

 

Also, that's the last I'm going to comment on this also ran until after the playoffs. The real teams are still playing. And life is f***ing good.

 

Well put. I'd like to see him go so they lose Mo and Posada. I'd like to see him stay so Jacko's head explodes.

[Mr Crunchy]

i heard theyll take him back if he takes a pay cut

this is an ap story not sam horns club

[a700hitter]

i heard theyll take him back if he takes a pay cut

this is an ap story not sam horns club

It's the back page story of today's NY Post. Torre made an obscene amount for being a mediocre manager. That had to bother the Boss.

[Mr Crunchy]

7m for torre

7m for jarret wright

10 for carl pavano

its an act of himiliating the man because steinberger only feels with dollars and cents

joe may walk on principal and be working by xmas somewhere else

[jacksonianmarch]

7m for torre

7m for jarret wright

10 for carl pavano

its an act of himiliating the man because steinberger only feels with dollars and cents

joe may walk on principal and be working by xmas somewhere else

 

sounds good to me.

 

And to be honest with you, if Posada and Mariano follow him out the door, it may not be the worst of things. Yeah, it will certainly hurt for 2008, but it will keep us from having 2 long term deals on players approaching 40 and it would nab us 4 draft picks prior to the second round. Hell, I'm game.

[Mr Crunchy]

rivera is their mvp for the last 12 years man

we get him a bit now but i wont miss him

 

whaddya think mj

sox are potent wouldnt ya say

[jacksonianmarch]

rivera is their mvp for the last 12 years man

we get him a bit now but i wont miss him

 

whaddya think mj

sox are potent wouldnt ya say

 

the sox are following the yankee model from the late 90s. Power pitching, solid pen and timely hitting. They are downright nasty right now, and are young enough to continue this for awhile. I no like.

[MDF3530]

Please insert your best Sinatra voice and imitation- don't forget the rhythm- slow it way down so its just as annoying as that recording they play every damn night:

 

Start spreadin the news, Joe's leaving today

I wanna cry cuz I root for

New York, New York

Those overpaid punks, are longing to stray

And Suzyn Waldman is a whore

In New York, New York

 

I wanna wake up

In my brand new, yankee sheets

And find i'm king of the fags

Top of the queefs

 

These hetero thoughts, are melting away

I'll act real gay and then root for

good ol' New York

If I can take dick there, I'll take dick anywhere

It's up in me, New York New York

 

I want to wake up, in a city

Thats full of fags

And find I'm queer number one

who roots for a team

of total douchebags

queer num-ber onnnnneeeeee

 

Theeeeeeeese hetero thoughts, are melting away

I'll take it in my mouth and root for

good ol' New York

And if I can take dick there, I'm gonna take dick everywhere

Dicks inside me, in New York, NEEEW YOOOOOOOOORK!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

Sorry, its been a slow morning at work

 

LMAO :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: !

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

sounds good to me.

 

And to be honest with you, if Posada and Mariano follow him out the door, it may not be the worst of things. Yeah, it will certainly hurt for 2008, but it will keep us from having 2 long term deals on players approaching 40 and it would nab us 4 draft picks prior to the second round. Hell, I'm game.

 

The best catchers hitting free agency are 30+ and none come close to Jorge Posada. You can't replace him without a trade and there are few with any talent out there. Posada is the Yankees version of Jason Varitek and if you lose him without a backup plan....big issues. Yankees might have made a mistake with this one by not being prepared if they let him go.

 

Mariano Rivera, once again with Joba going to the rotation and nobody ready to step in and take the closer role...big problem.

 

Can't replace these guys with anyone in the free agent class and trades would have to be made. I know plenty of teams are willing to do the Yankees a favor but Cashman has a lot of work to do if he doesn't want this team to take a drastic step backwards.

 

Then again he could keep all these players ($$) and coaches which we have seen only get you as far as the ALDS.