2007 NFL Season

[ACL BoSox]

i also would like to know which calls you think we're ********

 

maybe the td, but they would've gotten the ball on like the 1 yard line anyway, and there wasn't enough evidence

[ACL BoSox]

this was more a matter of the ravens imploding

[TheKilo]

My reputation precedes me here as a Pats hater, but this season has been real disturbing with the amount of games decided by s***** calls.

 

That's three this week. Whatever, you have the team of destiny I guess.

[Cocos Disciples]

Wow, one of the most exciting finishes. Brady with another fantastic march down the field, with the aid of some timely penalties and timeouts. #57 on Baltimore was childish and immature. If that last pass was a TD...crazy. The stadium would have erupted. 12-0 baby.

[See Red]

The Ravens had success when they blitzed. They had a great deal less success when they didn't... so why didn't they blitz on those fourth downs?

 

I think you're starting to find teams figuring out where you can have success against the Patriots. If Billick was even slightly capable of playcalling the Ravens win that game.

[schillingouttheks]

My reputation precedes me here as a Pats hater, but this season has been real disturbing with the amount of games decided by s***** calls.

 

That's three this week. Whatever, you have the team of destiny I guess.

 

No, I understand you hate the Pats and it's your right to. I don't want to make you absolutely explode on my face but you know as well as I do that I'm not one of those "Pats fans" that you seem to hate. You just get really bitter when they win, though. Fair enough if you hate them I guess.

 

Look, I'm conceding it...they had no business winning that game whatsoever. They didn't play well enough to win, they were more the beneficiaries of the Ravens self-imploding.

 

I'll tell you this much, it's not a win that Pats fans should be thrilled or happy with.

[schillingouttheks]

The Ravens had success when they blitzed. They had a great deal less success when they didn't... so why didn't they blitz on those fourth downs?

 

I think you're starting to find teams figuring out where you can have success against the Patriots. If Billick was even slightly capable of playcalling the Ravens win that game.

 

I can tell you this much, the Steelers will try to pound the ball down the Pats throats with their o-line and Willie Parker. The Pats better figure out how to defend the run because they were embarrassed by McGahee tonight.

[ACL BoSox]

Two things got proved in this game:

 

(1) Ravens are undiscplined and need to learn how to hold on to leads.

(2) Brian Billick is an idiot.

[schillingouttheks]

lol, that was so funny when Billick blew kisses at Rodney.

[riverside sluggers]

No, I understand you hate the Pats and it's your right to. I don't want to make you absolutely explode on my face but you know as well as I do that I'm not one of those "Pats fans" that you seem to hate. You just get really bitter when they win, though. Fair enough if you hate them I guess.

 

Look, I'm conceding it...they had no business winning that game whatsoever. They didn't play well enough to win, they were more the beneficiaries of the Ravens self-imploding.

 

I'll tell you this much, it's not a win that Pats fans should be thrilled or happy with.

 

As last's week was against the Eagles. I was sure Belichick was going to get all up in the Defensive unit's ass this week and we wouldve seen not such a tight game at all.

[YanksHater213]

I actually really liked this win, and am happy with it. Am I happy with how we played? Of course not, but we were going to blow every team out? Nope. Every team, good or bad, plays close games and needs a little luck to pull some out. I'm ecstatic that we played patheticaly and pulled it out.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I actually really liked this win' date=' and am happy with it. Am I happy with how we played? Of course not, but we were going to blow every team out? Nope. Every team, good or bad, plays close games and needs a little luck to pull some out. I'm ecstatic that we played patheticaly and pulled it out.[/quote']

 

Agreed 100%.

[TheKilo]

No, I understand you hate the Pats and it's your right to. I don't want to make you absolutely explode on my face but you know as well as I do that I'm not one of those "Pats fans" that you seem to hate. You just get really bitter when they win, though. Fair enough if you hate them I guess.

 

Look, I'm conceding it...they had no business winning that game whatsoever. They didn't play well enough to win, they were more the beneficiaries of the Ravens self-imploding.

 

I'll tell you this much, it's not a win that Pats fans should be thrilled or happy with.

 

 

I understand and I'm glad you look at things objectively.

 

However, there really should be no complaining at all about the refs from here on out from Pats fans. ESPECIALLY if you thought the outcome of the Colts game was slanted b/c of the officiating.

[rician blast]

lol' date=' that was so funny when Billick blew kisses at Rodney.[/quote']

 

 

Why did Harrison go in his face? Had something been said?

 

What got a chuckle out of me was Randy Moss being interviewed after the game and he says that the Colts came out with a game plan to be physical and talk with their mouths and said the Patriots don't do that, that's not how Belichek "raised us"...

 

Talks with their mouths? uhh, how do you propose they talk, Randy? And I wasn't aware that Belichek raised these guys, I woulda thought their parents/guardians were responsible for that.

 

Face it, trash talk is part of the NFL and the Pats do it as well as anyone. Moss is a great talent but not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

[mtbykr]

I understand and I'm glad you look at things objectively.

 

However, there really should be no complaining at all about the refs from here on out from Pats fans. ESPECIALLY if you thought the outcome of the Colts game was slanted b/c of the officiating.

 

The problem last night was inconsistency with the refs. Much like the pats in 03-04 the ravens were mugging the receivers and TE's coming off the line...and they wouldn't let up after 5 yards. The refs let it go all night, and then started calling it on the final drive. The penalties that were called were correct, but they hadn't been called that way all night so it's hard to blame the ravens for doing what they did. In addition there were several on the final drive that weren't called; for example Gaffney on the TD catch...before he made the catch he was just about tackled.

 

In my perfect world the refs would be consistent in their calls for both teams..and for PI somewhere between the ticky tac-you can't touch the receiver call and the all out mugging we saw last night. If the refs would have set the tone early and called it like they did on the final drive the ravens would have adjusted to what they could 'get away with'.

 

The bottom line is the refs made the correct calls at the end of the game, but since they hadn't been doing it all along it really stood out. I can't blame the ravens for being upset because they played the same way all night and the refs changed at the end of the game (correct or not)

[mtbykr]

Why did Harrison go in his face? Had something been said?

 

What got a chuckle out of me was Randy Moss being interviewed after the game and he says that the Colts came out with a game plan to be physical and talk with their mouths and said the Patriots don't do that, that's not how Belichek "raised us"...

 

Talks with their mouths? uhh, how do you propose they talk, Randy? And I wasn't aware that Belichek raised these guys, I woulda thought their parents/guardians were responsible for that.

 

Face it, trash talk is part of the NFL and the Pats do it as well as anyone. Moss is a great talent but not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

 

 

 

What he meant (and he finished his interview saying this) is that he prefers to do the talking with his play....and to his credit i haven't seen him say anything to anyone this year. The pats don't trash talk before the game, because they don't want to give another team bulletin board material. During the game the offense doesn't trash talk too much....the defense though is another story with Rodney leading the way.

[mtbykr]

Samari Rolle was on ESPN basically saying the same thing i posted about the refs...just be consistant:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3140983&categoryId=2459789&n8pe6c=1

[mtbykr]

WEEI is now reporting that the Ravens will officialy ask the NFL to launch an investigation into the Ref calling Samari Rolle 'boy' last night during the game.

[Cocos Disciples]

Lol.

[See Red]

The problem last night was inconsistency with the refs. Much like the pats in 03-04 the ravens were mugging the receivers and TE's coming off the line...and they wouldn't let up after 5 yards. The refs let it go all night' date=' and then started calling it on the final drive. The penalties that were called were correct, but they hadn't been called that way all night so it's hard to blame the ravens for doing what they did. In addition there were several on the final drive that weren't called; for example Gaffney on the TD catch...before he made the catch he was just about tackled.[/quote']

 

Bam. There's your problem. That's what makes them bad calls... whether the rulebooks agree with them or not. If the refs let something go all night then it's a problem if they make those calls when they decided the game. Players adjust to how the game's being called... for something that hasn't been called all night to suddenly be a penalty because the game's on the line is a huge problem.

 

This game aside, the NFL is really losing a huge fan in me with the way all these rules favor the offense.

 

And it was criminal that that TD at the end didn't get overturned. He clearly didn't have possession. And the ref didn't say the video was "inconclusive", he said the video confirms the catch -- big difference in that wording.

 

This wouldn't be a problem if all of these breaks that get talked about each week didn't favor the Patriots somehow.

[schillingouttheks]

Agreed, See Red. I think at the very least it was "inconclusive," and from the looks of it he was shifting his hands on the ball but the ball wasn't moving. It depends on how you define "possession," I guess. Despite that, Brady would have been given 4 tries to score from 2 yards out after Scott committed those idiotic penalties. They had just run that play that Gaffney got the TD on from the 8, and the two unsportsmanlikes would have been half the distance to the goal each, with auto first downs. So, the ball would have gone from the 8 to the 4, and then the 4 to the 2 with a clean slate of downs. I have a feeling the Pats find a way into the end zone anyway.

 

Look, I understand that the calls weren't exactly consistent, but when it comes to it, the refs aren't the guys who threw a key INT directly to James Sanders in the 4th, nor are they the guys that on their final 3 possessions in the 4th quarter, went 3 and out. If the Ravens just got one first down on one of those final 3 drives, they win the game. Neither team played well enough to win...the Pats were just the team that had more points.

 

Let me put it this way - it was an exciting game because both teams played pretty s***** (except for Willis McGahee and for the most part, the Ravens' D - there were just a ton of mental errors).

[mtbykr]

Bam. There's your problem. That's what makes them bad calls... whether the rulebooks agree with them or not. If the refs let something go all night then it's a problem if they make those calls when they decided the game. Players adjust to how the game's being called... for something that hasn't been called all night to suddenly be a penalty because the game's on the line is a huge problem.

This game aside, the NFL is really losing a huge fan in me with the way all these rules favor the offense.

 

And it was criminal that that TD at the end didn't get overturned. He clearly didn't have possession. And the ref didn't say the video was "inconclusive", he said the video confirms the catch -- big difference in that wording.

 

This wouldn't be a problem if all of these breaks that get talked about each week didn't favor the Patriots somehow.

 

We agree that they should be consistent...but it's not a bad call when it agrees with the rules, it's a bad call when the refs don't. If the refs could be consistent, which seems to be a problem all over the league this year, then there wouldn't be such an uproar. If that holding call last night had been called earlier in the game ( and there were plenty of opportunities to call it) then we aren't talking about it right now because it was an easy call to make.

 

If the Gaffney TD is called incomplete on the field, it's not overturned....just not enough evidence either way. One thing that gets lost in all of this is the fact that the Ravens killed themselves with penalties: if the pats didn't get to kick off from the 35 the ravens could have had a good return and the game could have been different. (they had good special teams all night)

[rician blast]

What he meant (and he finished his interview saying this) is that he prefers to do the talking with his play....and to his credit i haven't seen him say anything to anyone this year. The pats don't trash talk before the game' date=' because they don't want to give another team bulletin board material. During the game the offense doesn't trash talk too much....the defense though is another story with Rodney leading the way.[/quote']

 

He has been a pretty good citizen and his focus and commitment have allowed his talent to shine through.

 

My point was exactly what I said...he ain't the sharpest guy and it's comical sometimes to hear him talk and say things such as "that's not how coach raised us." I just get a kick out of it, that's all.

[See Red]

We agree that they should be consistent...but it's not a bad call when it agrees with the rules' date=' it's a bad call when the refs don't. If the refs could be consistent, which seems to be a problem all over the league this year, then there wouldn't be such an uproar. If that holding call last night had been called earlier in the game ( and there were plenty of opportunities to call it) then we aren't talking about it right now because it was an easy call to make.[/quote']

 

If something isn't called all game long... it's a bad call if it's called when the game's on the line. No two ways about it. Refs sucked anyway.

 

Somebody needs to inform the referees from that game that only Head Coaches and Players can call timeouts, and I sure as hell didn't see the players or Billick signaling for one.

[schillingouttheks]

Somebody needs to inform the referees from that game that only Head Coaches and Players can call timeouts' date=' and I sure as hell didn't see the players or Billick signaling for one.[/quote']

 

It's not like the ref is going to turn around and make sure that the voice that yelled "TIMEOUT!" is the head coach's. They'll grant the timeout every time.

 

What they need to do is have some kind of unsportsman-like conduct penalty if that happens, or ONLY let the players on the field call timeout. This way, an assistant coach or anyone else yelling for a timeout other than the head coach or players is, in essence, interrupting the game and delaying it by deceiving the referees who are always going to grant a timeout if they hear it yelled. That would stop the mix-ups.

 

The players should be the only ones capable of calling timeout. Have the coach yell out to the players to call a timeout - but only grant it when a player actually signals or asks for one.

 

Good idea? Yes, no, maybe so?

[Mr Crunchy]

06 08:25 PM

Dec 06 08:25 PM

INET / -1 Dec 0607:04 PM

NFL

NFL

PARLAY (2 TEAMS)

[102] WAS REDSKINS -3-110

[102] TOTAL u39½-110 (CHI BEARS vrs WAS REDSKINS)

 

50.00 / 130.00

 

someone needs to dick punch lovie smith for f***in me on the above parlay

fg?

30 seconds left on the 4 and he kciks the fg??

indicitive of my season

under 39.5

24-13 and he takes the 3.....cockmuncher

[Beckett95]

yay baby Todd Collins is the real deal, he should have been starting since week 1.

[TheKilo]

yay baby Todd Collins is the real deal' date=' he should have been starting since week 1.[/quote']

 

What?

[mtbykr]

yay baby Todd Collins is the real deal' date=' he should have been starting since week 1.[/quote']

 

wasn't the TD pass last night his first in 5 years?

[Mr Crunchy]

walpole mass todd collins for the record folks

i like him better than jason campbell and he certainly produced better #s

the skins may have found someone

the bears as well

it took both starters getting ko'd before the scoring began