2007 College FB

[ORS]

So if Mizzou and WVU both go down, who plays the completely overrated Buckeyes? I'd love to see Oklahoma and LSU go at it, but that won't happen, and I think the nod would go to the Sooners.

[See Red]

So if Mizzou and WVU both go down' date=' who plays the completely overrated Buckeyes? I'd love to see Oklahoma and LSU go at it, but that won't happen, and I think the nod would go to the Sooners.[/quote']

 

I'd say LSU. USC before Oklahoma, even. Maybe Virginia Tech, though?

 

I'd have to think they'd pick a conference winner over either Kansas or Georgia. I'd go LSU, personally. Two triple OT losses.

[yankeessuck013]

Les Miles will stay at LSU.

 

BC will have about 40 seconds to tie the game. I thought they were going to beat a lot worse than this.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he has a buyout in his contract that allows him to go to UM... Why would he ask for that in his contract, if he's not even gonna think about exercising it?

[ORS]

Good point about the two 3-OT losses. What a f***ed up season. Not that I think it hasn't been exciting, but if they both lose, there will be about 7 teams with a legit case to be there with Ohio St, and a team has a chance to go undefeated in a year when the Nat Champ will likely have 2 losses. f***ed.

[ORS]

Mike sucks. He should have watched vid of himself and realized his limp wristed throws had no chance. He just cost himself 25 G's.

[ORS]

WVU comes up small again in what wasn't even a big game. They were favored by 4 TDs. Rodriguez is pretty bad when the chips are down.

[ORS]

And Ohio St backs into the BCS Championship game. I hope whoever goes demonstrates how overrated sweatervest's team is.

[yankeessuck013]

Georgia vs OSU is my pick.

[ORS]

How do you put a team in that didn't win its conference over the conference champ whose both loses came on the road in 3-OT?

 

EDIT: Correction, the Ark loss was at home, but still, a 3-OT loss.

[ORS]

So much for Mizzou's bitching about being "disrespected" when made the underdog as the No 1. They are getting spanked.

[Cocos Disciples]

LSU vs. OSU is my pick if Mizzou loses.

[yankeessuck013]

If I was voting, I coiuldn't put Kansas in because I would look at last week's game vs. Mizzou as a "semifinal" game for them -- and they lost.

[See Red]

Have to go LSU or VaTech.

 

And considering LSU beat VaTech by some 40 points... the choice is pretty easy.

[TheKilo]

Hawaii down two scores in the second quarter.

 

It'll be OSU vs. LSU in the National Championship, and LSU will win by 10+ points.

 

Oh well, I'll turn to some of the other matchups that could be really good in the BCS.

[See Red]

That would take some balls to move LSU up 5 spots, though... especially over two idle teams. Has to be done, though.

 

You should have to win your Conference to play in the National Championship game.

 

By the way... say what you want about the BCS but it just made for the best regular season in the history of sports.

[ORS]

This UH vs Wash game has been very entertaining. Hawaii is very fun to watch. I wish I was back there now because I'd be at this game and then headed to Lewer's St afterward.

[yankeessuck013]

OK, I change my mind. Haha.

 

For me it would be Ohio State and VaTech.

 

Why is no one else talking about Va Tech?

 

Kansas lost their "semifinal" last week.

Georgia didn't even play for their conference title.

LSU just lost two weeks ago to an unranked team. Their 2nd loss.

Hawaii just doesn't have the schedule to make the case (and they are losing at home to Washington)

Oklahoma has two losses against teams that were very inferior.

USC has two losses. But more importantly, one was to Stanford. At home.

 

Va Tech was ranked ahead of both LSU and USC going into today. They beat the #11 ranked team to win their conference title. They avenged one of their two losses by doing so, which makes it equal to having only one loss to me, just like Ohio State.

 

I know they got hammered by LSU, but that was very early in the season and the LSU reasoning above lowers them in my voting.

 

So, it's close for me between LSU and VT. But I'll go with VT vs. OSU.

[See Red]

OK, I change my mind. Haha.

 

For me it would be Ohio State and VaTech.

 

Why is no one else talking about Va Tech?

 

Kansas lost their "semifinal" last week.

Georgia didn't even play for their conference title.

LSU just lost two weeks ago to an unranked team. Their 2nd loss.

Hawaii just doesn't have the schedule to make the case (and they are losing at home to Washington)

Oklahoma has two losses against teams that were very inferior.

USC has two losses. But more importantly, one was to Stanford. At home.

 

Va Tech was ranked ahead of both LSU and USC going into today. They beat the #11 ranked team to win their conference title. They avenged one of their two losses by doing so, which makes it equal to having only one loss to me, just like Ohio State.

 

I know they got hammered by LSU, but that was very early in the season and the LSU reasoning above lowers them in my voting.

 

So, it's close for me between LSU and VT. But I'll go with VT vs. OSU.

 

LSU - 48 VT - 7

 

It's one thing to lose by a FG or even a Touchdown on the road... but then got outclassed in every aspect of the game. Early season or not... that game was as much proof as it gets that LSU is the vastly superior team.

[yankeessuck013]

It's absolutely to impossible to predict who will be in the game but Virginia Tech is 11-2 and fresh off an ACC championship game victory over #11 Boston College. They've also defeated Georgia Tech (7-4), Florida State (7-4) and #16 Virginia (9-2) in recent weeks whereas LSU lost to an unranked 7-4 Arkansas team.

 

One thing we can all agree on, arguments can be made for a LOT of teams... A lot of teams are not going to be happy. But, the way I understand the system, it's designed to reward the teams who lose the least, for the most part. I can't justify putting a 2 loss team in there, especially when one was a BAD loss, over an undefeated team and a team that only lost once, just at the wrong time of the year. That's just me, though.

 

FWIW, if Hawaii knocks off Washington tonight they'll be undefeated and the way the season has gone, why not?! And, I actually would have no problem if they put Hawaii in .

 

I wouldn't do it myself. But they F'd the system up so bad that Hawaii has just as much - if not more - of a deserving case as anyone else.

[TheKilo]

It's absolutely to impossible to predict who will be in the game but Virginia Tech is 11-2 and fresh off an ACC championship game victory over #11 Boston College. They've also defeated Georgia Tech (7-4), Florida State (7-4) and #16 Virginia (9-2) in recent weeks whereas LSU lost to an unranked 7-4 Arkansas team.

 

One thing we can all agree on, arguments can be made for a LOT of teams... A lot of teams are not going to be happy. But, the way I understand the system, it's designed to reward the teams who lose the least, for the most part. I can't justify putting a 2 loss team in there, especially when one was a BAD loss, over an undefeated team and a team that only lost once, just at the wrong time of the year. That's just me, though.

 

FWIW, if Hawaii knocks off Washington tonight they'll be undefeated and the way the season has gone, why not?! And, I actually would have no problem if they put Hawaii in .

 

I wouldn't do it myself. But they F'd the system up so bad that Hawaii has just as much - if not more - of a deserving case as anyone else.

 

In a word, no.

 

LSU lost two 3-OT games. They beat VT by 40.

[yankeessuck013]

They still lost to 2 unranked teams, while Hawaii would be undefeated, and as I stated above, the current system is designed to reward the teams who lose the least for the most part.

[See Red]

Because Kansas didn't even play in their Conference Championship game and their strength of schedule is about 40-80... same with Hawaii, though that's not Hawaii's fault.

 

And VaTech isn't basically a one-loss team... they're a two loss team that had a chance to try and avenge one of their losses. If LSU got another crack at Kentucky or Arkansas it'd be a different story. Besides, you can't honestly be looking to argue which had a tougher conference schedule between an ACC team and an SEC team.

 

LSU's your safe choice. They won their conference and they beat VaTech very handily.

[See Red]

Trust me, I hate people ragging on Hawaii but what's Hawaii's done on the road has been very unimpressive. Not who they played, but how they played them.

[yankeessuck013]

But the point is, why should they jump them now and why were they not ahead of VT last week? If they were behind VT in the computer rankings and the polls last week, why does a LSU win against a #14 team get them ahead of the Hokies after a VT win against the #11 team? Was there no reason why VT was ranked ahead of LSU last week? Are the polls just for show? And do I really even need to ask that question?

 

OK maybe LSU should go to the title over them, but theres something to say about losing 2 games to LSU and BC rather than losing 2 games to unranked teams.

 

I understand VT lost big time to LSU in September. But that was September. VT is leagues ahead of where they were offensively at that point in the season, and the inept offense turned out to really be the huge weakness against LSU (not moving the ball = no rest for the D = big points against). Games in the beginning of the season have almost no bearing on what can happen later. Hell, look at Tennessee-Cal... Tennessee goes on the play for the SEC title while Cal loses to Stanford?

 

What do I think it should be? I have no idea. You can make the case for so many 2 loss teams, though the talking heads only want LSU or USC. Except Mark May, a talking head with some sense, thinks Oklahoma should also get consideration.

 

This is a good site. They project VT will be #1 in the computer rankings, but LSU beats them in the polls and gets the NC bid. http://tellshowbcs.com/

[See Red]

Their offense has improved? Their offense is dreadful. They're middle of the pack offensively in the ACC which puts them somewhere in the lower 6th of the country. I'd guess they're probably the 20th or so worst offense in the Nation based on Yards Per Game. 30th, at best. I just don't see how you can put a team in the National Championship over a team that beat them by 41 when all other things appear equal. And "appear equal" is about it... if I'm ranking the conferences first to worst, the SEC is first by a longshot with three or four others separating them from the ACC. Therefore, winning the SEC is more impressive.

 

The problem with the BCS is that there is n margin of victory anymore. It doesn't take into account that LSU beat VT by 41... it doesn't take into account that LSU lost both games in Triple OT. So yeah, the computer rankings may come out where they may but a 1 point win is the same as a 50 point win... and that's a problem. In a system that rewards not losing, as you've mentioned, you're pushing one team ahead of another when, when they played head to head, that team lost.

 

By the way, trash Arkansas and Kentucky all you want but they'd be more than capable of winning the ACC.

[ORS]

I'm a Hokie fan, and the notion they belong in the championship game over LSU is pure silliness.

[See Red]

LSU is a "solid" #2 in the Coaches poll... and they're #2 in the AP poll too.

 

Oklahoma comes in at #3, followed by Georgia, Virginia Tech, and USC in each.

 

Looks like it's pretty much a done deal... LSU vs. Ohio State. LSU by two touchdowns.

[yankeessuck013]

Their offense has improved? Their offense is dreadful. They're middle of the pack offensively in the ACC which puts them somewhere in the lower 6th of the country. I'd guess they're probably the 20th or so worst offense in the Nation based on Yards Per Game. 30th, at best. I just don't see how you can put a team in the National Championship over a team that beat them by 41 when all other things appear equal. And "appear equal" is about it... if I'm ranking the conferences first to worst, the SEC is first by a longshot with three or four others separating them from the ACC. Therefore, winning the SEC is more impressive.

 

The problem with the BCS is that there is n margin of victory anymore. It doesn't take into account that LSU beat VT by 41... it doesn't take into account that LSU lost both games in Triple OT. So yeah, the computer rankings may come out where they may but a 1 point win is the same as a 50 point win... and that's a problem. In a system that rewards not losing, as you've mentioned, you're pushing one team ahead of another when, when they played head to head, that team lost.

 

By the way, trash Arkansas and Kentucky all you want but they'd be more than capable of winning the ACC.

 

It doesn't really matter anymore...

 

You don't think VT's offense has improved over the course of the season you never extensively watched VT play. Which is okay because not everyone can watch every team. Just know that we went from anemic in the first half of the season to, at the very least, productive towards the end. I never said VT's offense was prolific, just that it has improved vastly over the course of the season. The offensive line has gelled, the new two QB system is working well enough, and Brandon Ore has been much better and is finally healthy. Meanwhile LSU's defense has went from stellar, to... well... less than stellar. Make no mistake, teams don't lose in triple OT because they can't hit a 2 point conversion, they lose twice in triple OT because their defense can't do anything to stop the other offense in the red zone. It's that simple. Where has the tiger defense gone? Fortunately, I really think they won't need it against the Buckeyes. Unless they get in triple OT.

 

And as I said, logically you put LSU into the title game, and they've done that. I just made the case for VT disregarding the fact that VT lost to them in the beginning of the season. It's a tough case to make and that's why they were given absolutely no chance by any of the talking heads, but I think I made my case pretty well.

 

As for Kentucky and Arkansas being capable of winning the ACC. Maybe. I'm not going to argue that the ACC is as good as the SEC, but I do think VT is better than Arkansas and Kentucky and would beat them both on a neutral field.

[See Red]

6th best passing defense in the league is what LSU boasts. As well as the 14th or so best run defense.

 

LSU's defense has gotten worse because they went from their non-conference schedule, in which they played against considerably weaker teams -- VT included. Where a team with two heisman caliber RB's can be relegated to mediocre within that conference.

 

They play again... LSU wins by at least two touchdowns.

 

You've made a good case but nothing you said is enough to overcome the fact that LSU beat them by 41.

[ORS]

I don't think the SEC play is what made LSU's D decline. It was the injury to Dorsey. He's been playing hurt since a chop block (in which game I can't remember, but it was about mid-season). He's a top-5 pick. When you lose that in the middle of your line, the rest of the D will suffer some.