August 30th @ New York

[schillingouttheks]

I'm confused. I don't think that just because he posts on a MB (which is his) that he has a poor work ethic. I also don't think that that is what you're trying to say' date=' so I'm just wondering how that's involved.[/quote']

 

It was a digression, lol. I guess I can connect it in that I've read what he posts, and it certainly seems like he knows what he's doing both on and off the pitching mound.

[yankees228]

It was a digression' date=' lol. I guess I can connect it in that I've read what he posts, and it certainly seems like he knows what he's doing both on and off the pitching mound.[/quote']

 

Yeah, I mean, I'm just curious as to where Gom has heard that, because it's not something I've ever heard before.

[ARod2212]

Youk was out. If he didn't try to avoid the tag, he wouldn't have gone out of the baseline. If he was smart, he would have just stopped running. At the very least, A-Rod wouldn't have been able to turn the double play.

 

I don't know what was up with Joba, but keep in mind he hadn't gone more than an inning on one day rest since he's been up, so fatigue/lack of control is not all that unlikely. Regardless, for all the times Boston pitchers have hit Yankee players, Joba gets a pass. I don't have the stat on hand, but I know the numbers are at least 2 to 1 of Yankee players hit as opposed to Sox players hit. I just wish he made Ortiz move his feet in the box. Nobody has ever done that to him.

 

If the Sox won 1 game this series (which I pretty much expected them to do) I'd have been sure the division was wrapped up. Now with Ramirez out a week and a half, coming off a sweep with Tampa on the schedule, this is a race again. The Sox lineup is light years behind what it normally is when Manny isn't playing, and that could come back to bite them the next few games. The Yankees could very well shave a few games off and make this real close when they meet again in Fenway.

[Gom]

I will try to find one of the links. One of the New York papers [i get the Daily News and NY Post delivered] said that Chamberlain has had a positive effect on Hughes by putting in extra work and coming early to the park. Infer what you want from that, but this kid reads his press clippings. I don't know if Chamberlain can read.

[yankees228]

I will try to find one of the links. One of the New York papers [i get the Daily News and NY Post delivered] said that Chamberlain has had a positive effect on Hughes by putting in extra work and coming early to the park. Infer what you want from that' date=' but this kid reads his press clippings. I don't know if Chamberlain can read.[/quote']

 

I'd be very interested to read this.

[TheKilo]

On top of that' date=' you guys miss Bedard and Guthrie.[/quote']

 

You guys miss Kazmir and Shields AGAIN.

[yankees228]

You guys miss Kazmir and Shields AGAIN.

 

True, but they've hit around Shields pretty good so far this year anyway. And Jackson pitched really well against the Yanks the last time he faced them.

[castigs850]

True' date=' but [b']they've [/b]hit around Shields pretty good so far this year anyway. And Jackson pitched really well against the Yanks the last time he faced them.

 

not reallly important but i thought i'd give you props for referring to your favorite team as "they". :thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

I am not sold on this guy at all. According to what I've heard, he's got a poor work ethic, like this game owes him something. I'm excited about Kennedy though from what I've heard.

 

It takes me a while to get on the bandwagon with young players. The Yankees, probably better than any team in baseball. overhype their prospects. If you can do it for two years, I'm sold. Until then, you're not much in my book.

 

from your many sources I assume? Poor work ethic my ass, the kid is a hard worker. Either way Gom, lets not argue. Just admit that you know s*** about the yankee minor leaguers and even less about development. And by the looks of it, you are about as thin as they come. In a yr you'll be firmly attached to this kids nuts and admit how wrong you were to judge a 21 yr old in his first go round in the bigs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yankee fans just try to defend that the throw out wasnt warranted. Im sorry but back to back pitches over a batter's head is clearly intentional. ooh boy Beckett is going to play bean ball if he pitches against NY in Boston. Its going to be a fun series just you wait

 

how many hitters must be hit on our end before we can retaliate. I didnt see it, but I am glad that the kid has enough balls to buzz the tower a few times after our hitters have had targets on their back every season against you guys. DiceK DRILLED arod first pitch in game 1, and nothing. Jeter got knocked down also, no retaliation. Finally, the kid with the scary good arm shows he'll go high. So yeah, bring it on Beckett. Go for one of the yankees. We'll just see how Papi enjoys his heat sandwich in retaliation, and Joba throws harder.

[jacksonianmarch]

actually i believe the rule is you can't go out of the baseline to avoid a tag. Youk was not out when arod tried to tag him' date=' his momentum carried him out (3 steps is the rule) but the ball was already in the air to first when that happend.....by the rule he's not out[/quote']

 

but in order to avoid the tag, he needed to leave the baseline. The avoidance of the tag required that he shift his momentum so much so that regaining his balance took him into the grass. Now, say Jeter went to tag him, missed him, then Youkilis continued in the baseline and ran into the grass well past the tag attempt, then that wont be an out. But in the motion of avoiding the tag, he needed to leave the baseline and hence the right call was made.

[Gom]

from your many sources I assume? Poor work ethic my ass' date=' the kid is a hard worker. Either way Gom, lets not argue. Just admit that you know s*** about the yankee minor leaguers and even less about development. And by the looks of it, you are about as thin as they come. In a yr you'll be firmly attached to this kids nuts and admit how wrong you were to judge a 21 yr old in his first go round in the bigs.[/quote']

 

I'm going to go through the papers I have [recycling isn't till next Thursday, and I didn't put anything out today] to find this damn quote.

 

I don't know s*** about the Yankees farm system, because 90% of what they tell us is ********. I remember reading how Wily Mo Pena was a Reggie Jackson type of player with an even better eye. I remember how Gerald Williams was going to be a cross between a Mickey Rivers speed, Roy White in the field, and Winfield at the plate.

 

In other words, projecting how a player will do 5 years from now when he is 16 is mainly random. Remember Drew Henson? Eric Duncan? Seriously, you might as well just throw names in a hat, and all types of player types, pick them out of a hat and you will probably be right about the same percentage of times. This isn't a knock on you, Jacko, but when something is right less than 50% of the time, to me...it's utterly useless. Ask any mathemetician and he will tell you the same. Projecting how any player will do when drafted or in rookie ball is an utter waste of time. Triple A...a lot more consistent.

 

Where was Chamberlain rated before this season? How about Hughes? Is there any doubt who is better? How about Lester, Delcarmen, Hansen, and Papelbon? How were they rated, and how do you rate them now?

 

Were Wang and Cano even rated?

 

Get my point, friend?

 

This isn't to say that drafting is useless. Far from it. However, picking which one will be better, etc., is a crapshoot. You simply acquire as many chips as you can, and hope you get lucky. Will Humberto Sanchez ever pan out? We gave up malcontent Sheffield, and the primary player we got had Tommy John surgery. Meanwhile, Sheffield has had a great year. We traded Randy Johnson, and the primary player we got was Ohlendorf, who has a 5.02 ERA in Triple A. Meanwhile, we could have had Micah Owings, who has a better ERA than that in the big leagues. Cashman took the wrong pitcher. It seems like that in both cases.

 

It's a zero sum game. You get lucky with a Chamberlain. You lose out with an Ohlendorf. No matter who you pick, it's an inexact science at best. Two more words:

 

Rick Ankiel.

[riverside sluggers]

how many hitters must be hit on our end before we can retaliate. I didnt see it' date=' but I am glad that the kid has enough balls to buzz the tower a few times after our hitters have had targets on their back every season against you guys. DiceK DRILLED arod first pitch in game 1, and nothing. Jeter got knocked down also, no retaliation. Finally, the kid with the scary good arm shows he'll go high. So yeah, bring it on Beckett. Go for one of the yankees. We'll just see how Papi enjoys his heat sandwich in retaliation, and Joba throws harder.[/quote']

 

Again, Im all for retaliation when it is warranted in the game... Unlike you I dont want my pitchers aiming for a batters head which is what Joba did on 2 straight pitches. The kid threw his fastballs which both topped out at 97/98 mph in those 2 pitches. What happened in the 3rd game that deserved Joba to try and send Youk to the hospital with a concussion?

 

Dice-K DRILLED Arod? Thats over exaggerating, drilled mostly means getting hit in the head which is what you get a hard on over. He hit his shoulder. And um whose to say it was intentional. Dice-K was having serious control problems (in the 1st inning) so to make it even worse, he put the rivalry first and loaded the bases... yea ok

[jacksonianmarch]

Again, Im all for retaliation when it is warranted in the game... Unlike you I dont want my pitchers aiming for a batters head which is what Joba did on 2 straight pitches. The kid threw his fastballs which both topped out at 97/98 mph in those 2 pitches. What happened in the 3rd game that deserved Joba to try and send Youk to the hospital with a concussion?

 

Dice-K DRILLED Arod? Thats over exaggerating, drilled mostly means getting hit in the head which is what you get a hard on over. He hit his shoulder. And um whose to say it was intentional. Dice-K was having serious control problems (in the 1st inning) so to make it even worse, he put the rivalry first and loaded the bases... yea ok

 

He went first pitch between the shoulder blades. That isnt an accident, just like going head high twice in a row isnt an accident. I dont worry about going head high. I dont think it was warranted with the guy they did it against, but I can hardly blame the yankees for wanting to shake up that box a bit after the transgressions of the sox pitchers over the yrs and this yr too. So long as we are ready to accept the repercussions, then I am fine with it. But now that we have a lightning armed assassin out there, your pitchers may be less likely to retaliate.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm going to go through the papers I have [recycling isn't till next Thursday' date= and I didn't put anything out today] to find this damn quote.

 

I don't know s*** about the Yankees farm system, because 90% of what they tell us is ********. I remember reading how Wily Mo Pena was a Reggie Jackson type of player with an even better eye. I remember how Gerald Williams was going to be a cross between a Mickey Rivers speed, Roy White in the field, and Winfield at the plate.

 

In other words, projecting how a player will do 5 years from now when he is 16 is mainly random. Remember Drew Henson? Eric Duncan? Seriously, you might as well just throw names in a hat, and all types of player types, pick them out of a hat and you will probably be right about the same percentage of times. This isn't a knock on you, Jacko, but when something is right less than 50% of the time, to me...it's utterly useless. Ask any mathemetician and he will tell you the same. Projecting how any player will do when drafted or in rookie ball is an utter waste of time. Triple A...a lot more consistent.

 

Where was Chamberlain rated before this season? How about Hughes? Is there any doubt who is better? How about Lester, Delcarmen, Hansen, and Papelbon? How were they rated, and how do you rate them now?

 

Were Wang and Cano even rated?

 

Get my point, friend?

 

This isn't to say that drafting is useless. Far from it. However, picking which one will be better, etc., is a crapshoot. You simply acquire as many chips as you can, and hope you get lucky. Will Humberto Sanchez ever pan out? We gave up malcontent Sheffield, and the primary player we got had Tommy John surgery. Meanwhile, Sheffield has had a great year. We traded Randy Johnson, and the primary player we got was Ohlendorf, who has a 5.02 ERA in Triple A. Meanwhile, we could have had Micah Owings, who has a better ERA than that in the big leagues. Cashman took the wrong pitcher. It seems like that in both cases.

 

It's a zero sum game. You get lucky with a Chamberlain. You lose out with an Ohlendorf. No matter who you pick, it's an inexact science at best. Two more words:

 

Rick Ankiel.

 

 

Gom, the paper said that Chamberlain is pushing Hughes to work even harder. It doesnt say that Hughes wasnt working hard to begin with. And it is the damn post, quite possibly the worst paper to grace NY doorsteps. Its on the level with Star magazine, I wouldnt be taking quotes about baseball players work ethic from there.

[rician blast]

If Chamberlain wants to be a tough guy, then play it out all the way. First, you want to hit a guy, then fkn hit him, get him in the butt or hip or something. And then tell the media "no comment" or admit you were trying to move him off the plate.

 

Not Joba. His comments? "I'm trying to get on top of a couple of pitches and they slipped."

 

Uhhh, right. Two pitches in a row "slipped" and went just above Youk's head...at 97-98 MPH?

 

I'm not saying he was trying to hit him...but I think he was trying to send a message. And

for a guy coming into the league who wants to have an impact in this rivalry, he's certainly gotten himself on the radar screen...albeit without exhibiting any true "balls" (as someone in this forum credited him with) by throwing TWO pitches over the head and saying they "slipped."

 

The guy has spotential to be a force...wish he were in our organization...but he's got a lot to learn in terms of how to play the "game" beyond the game itself.

[He Hate Me]

If Chamberlain wants to be a tough guy, then play it out all the way. First, you want to hit a guy, then fkn hit him, get him in the butt or hip or something. And then tell the media "no comment" or admit you were trying to move him off the plate.

 

Not Joba. His comments? "I'm trying to get on top of a couple of pitches and they slipped."

 

Uhhh, right. Two pitches in a row "slipped" and went just above Youk's head...at 97-98 MPH?

 

I'm not saying he was trying to hit him...but I think he was trying to send a message. And

for a guy coming into the league who wants to have an impact in this rivalry, he's certainly gotten himself on the radar screen...albeit without exhibiting any true "balls" (as someone in this forum credited him with) by throwing TWO pitches over the head and saying they "slipped."

 

The guy has spotential to be a force...wish he were in our organization...but he's got a lot to learn in terms of how to play the "game" beyond the game itself.

 

1. hasn't there been a number of sox fans who have dissed Joba's command in the first place saying that it's not that good?

 

2. pray tell what message was he trying to send him? Did Youk do something to piss off the Yanks? Because I certainly didn't see it. He had no motive to go head hunting.

 

3. is it absolutely out of the realm of possibility that he might have been juiced up since a) he has only pithced 10 innings in the big leagues? and this was his FIRST potential save which came in a big spot against our biggest rivals?

 

for the record when Sox pitchers were hitting our hitters like crazy I don't remember any Sox player being called a f'n c*nt by a Yankee or Joe Torre saying something as juvenile as Fracona's comments about getting our attention. Maybe focus a bit more on the lack of offense and less on the questionable actions of a 21 year old?

 

BTW, if Joba was trying to send a message to Youk. he should be pulled aside and given a sound thrashing. There was absolutely no need for it at all (assuming it was done intentionally)

[mtbykr]

how many hitters must be hit on our end before we can retaliate. I didnt see it' date=' but I am glad that the kid has enough balls to buzz the tower a few times after our hitters have had targets on their back every season against you guys. DiceK DRILLED arod first pitch in game 1, and nothing. Jeter got knocked down also, no retaliation. Finally, the kid with the scary good arm shows he'll go high. [b']So yeah, bring it on Beckett[/b]. Go for one of the yankees. We'll just see how Papi enjoys his heat sandwich in retaliation, and Joba throws harder.

 

Be careful in what you wish for. I never want to see someone's head thrown at, no matter who they are.....but beckett is crazy enough to retaliate and clip jeter.

 

 

"I'm trying to get on top of a couple of pitches and they slipped."

 

 

Nice try, but now everyone knows your a liar! Here's a guy who had great control (just take this game as an example) and he's going to lose it 2 pitches in a row that just miss Youk's head....ya ok:rolleyes:

 

This is crap that doesn't need to be started....if he was going to do that though he should have done it in the 8th, instead of waiting until his team won't bat again.....just dumb

[jacksonianmarch]

If he was sending a message, I would assume the message would have been sent to Ortiz. Either way, you can call him gutless, but that would not be correct. Gutless was letting the sox pitchers walk all over us and our pitchers turning the other cheek. Well, when Beckett wants to "move ARod off the plate" or DiceK wants to "get inside" on our hitters, there will be swift and painful repercussions. I had thought that Farns was the one with enough guts to go in head high to send a message, but he has been a big pile of suck and gutlessness. Chamberlain, OTOH, has lightning in the arm and he has at least put it in the minds of the sox that he is willing to go in. So no more stray pitches that just happen to hit our best player between the numbers. Or maybe one will come with increasing velocity at dome level.

[jacksonianmarch]

Be careful in what you wish for. I never want to see someone's head thrown at, no matter who they are.....but beckett is crazy enough to retaliate and clip jeter.

 

 

 

 

 

Nice try, but now everyone knows your a liar! Here's a guy who had great control (just take this game as an example) and he's going to lose it 2 pitches in a row that just miss Youk's head....ya ok:rolleyes:

 

This is crap that doesn't need to be started....if he was going to do that though he should have done it in the 8th, instead of waiting until his team won't bat again.....just dumb

 

Beckett is "crazy enough"? 1. Chamberlain throws harder. 2. Chamberlain just did go for the dome twice. If Beckett wants to play that game, then I would assume Papi would be eating his teeth for dinner after the next series. The sox whining about this is hilarious after how many yrs of them throwing at our guys. How's the taste of your own medicine?

[rician blast]

1. hasn't there been a number of sox fans who have dissed Joba's command in the first place saying that it's not that good?

 

2. pray tell what message was he trying to send him? Did Youk do something to piss off the Yanks? Because I certainly didn't see it. He had no motive to go head hunting.

 

3. is it absolutely out of the realm of possibility that he might have been juiced up since a) he has only pithced 10 innings in the big leagues? and this was his FIRST potential save which came in a big spot against our biggest rivals?

 

for the record when Sox pitchers were hitting our hitters like crazy I don't remember any Sox player being called a f'n c*nt by a Yankee or Joe Torre saying something as juvenile as Fracona's comments about getting our attention. Maybe focus a bit more on the lack of offense and less on the questionable actions of a 21 year old?

 

BTW, if Joba was trying to send a message to Youk. he should be pulled aside and given a sound thrashing. There was absolutely no need for it at all (assuming it was done intentionally)

 

My comments on your points:

 

1. There have been...personally I've thought his command was pretty decent. 17 k's and 3 BB's going into yesterday's game...that doesn't sound too wild to me.

 

2. Not sure what he was thinking...maybe he was reacting to the whining Yankee fans who are constantly complaining that Yankee pitchers dont't retaliate? Perhaps he was reading Torre's comments from the past several years complaining about Sox pitchers hitting Yankees? Maybe the heat of the rivalry was getting to him and he felt buzzing Youk was necessary to be a team player? As I said earlier I don't think he was trying to hit him in the head...I do think he intentially went way up and in.

 

3. It is quite possible he was juiced up...but I don't think the ball "slips" outta your hand twice in a row over a guys head at 98 mph because you were juiced.

 

As for player comments, how the hell would anyone know everything that is said in similar situations in the pastt? Do you truly believe Beckett's comments were out of the ordinary? You seem offended by his use of the "c" word...do you think the Yankees were as well? I remember plenty of times when a Red Sox pitch went up and in that the Yanks were on the dugout steps yelling...and I'm guessing a lot of similar things are said in the heat of battle...big deal.

 

As for Francona, I thought his response to the question he was asked was fine. He was asked if he thought the kid was trying to hit Youk or come inside to send a message...his answer was a direct to response to that question. Based on Torre's comments on similar situations in the past I think he'd respond pretty much the same way. So with this part of the issue you're making something outta nothing.

 

Oh, and I would not be surprised at all if Torre did not grab the kid and address his intentions as you suggest.

[jacksonianmarch]

I like that the seed has been planted. If Beckett goes up and in on ARod or Jeter, I would love to see the Papi Joba matchup later in the game.

[He Hate Me]

My comments on your points:

 

1. There have been...personally I've thought his command was pretty decent. 17 k's and 3 BB's going into yesterday's game...that doesn't sound too wild to me.

 

2. Not sure what he was thinking...maybe he was reacting to the whining Yankee fans who are constantly complaining that Yankee pitchers dont't retaliate? Perhaps he was reading Torre's comments from the past several years complaining about Sox pitchers hitting Yankees? Maybe the heat of the rivalry was getting to him and he felt buzzing Youk was necessary to be a team player? As I said earlier I don't think he was trying to hit him in the head...I do think he intentially went way up and in.

 

3. It is quite possible he was juiced up...but I don't think the ball "slips" outta your hand twice in a row over a guys head at 98 mph because you were juiced.

 

As for player comments, how the hell would anyone know everything that is said in similar situations in the pastt? Do you truly believe Beckett's comments were out of the ordinary? You seem offended by his use of the "c" word...do you think the Yankees were as well? I remember plenty of times when a Red Sox pitch went up and in that the Yanks were on the dugout steps yelling...and I'm guessing a lot of similar things are said in the heat of battle...big deal.

 

As for Francona, I thought his response to the question he was asked was fine. He was asked if he thought the kid was trying to hit Youk or come inside to send a message...his answer was a direct to response to that question. Based on Torre's comments on similar situations in the past I think he'd respond pretty much the same way. So with this part of the issue you're making something outta nothing.

 

Oh, and I would not be surprised at all if Torre did not grab the kid and address his intentions as you suggest.

 

Joba's K's are from what I can recall mainly swinging strikes on his slider. I think I've seen maybe one or two looking 3rd strikes. He has good command of the fastball, but like most young flammethrowers, he has shown a tendency to overthrow it at times.

 

As for the rest, I think the intent on the first pitch was to bust him high and tight off the plate since Youk is as bad as Jeter when it comes to crowding the inside. I can see why people would think there was intent in the second pitch, but definetely not in the first pitch. In any case, Youkilis said it best, only Joba knows if there was any intent or not. I think Torre will definetely address the second pitch with Joba though.

 

Francona's comments just struck me as sort of juvenile. Obviously he was hinting at something. BTW If any Yankee players called Pedro or whoever was the headhunter du jour on the Sox a "f'n cu*t", I'm pretty sure RSN would have been all over that.

[He Hate Me]

I like that the seed has been planted. If Beckett goes up and in on ARod or Jeter' date=' I would love to see the Papi Joba matchup later in the game.[/quote']

 

I'd rather see Farnsworth do it if that's the case.

[mtbykr]

If he was sending a message' date=' I would assume the message would have been sent to Ortiz. Either way, you can call him gutless, but that would not be correct. Gutless was letting the sox pitchers walk all over us and our pitchers turning the other cheek. Well, when Beckett wants to "move ARod off the plate" or DiceK wants to "get inside" on our hitters, there will be swift and painful repercussions. I had thought that Farns was the one with enough guts to go in head high to send a message, but he has been a big pile of suck and gutlessness. Chamberlain, OTOH, has lightning in the arm and he has at least put it in the minds of the sox that he is willing to go in. So no more stray pitches that just happen to hit our best player between the numbers. Or maybe one will come with increasing velocity at dome level.[/quote']

 

Amazing, your guy throws at youk's head twice in a row, and somehow your playing your team the victim, unreal.

 

 

Beckett is "crazy enough"? 1. Chamberlain throws harder. 2. Chamberlain just did go for the dome twice. If Beckett wants to play that game, then I would assume Papi would be eating his teeth for dinner after the next series. The sox whining about this is hilarious after how many yrs of them throwing at our guys. How's the taste of your own medicine?

 

What I meant by that is your playing with fire, becuase Joba was trying to send a message....Beckett won't miss what he's throwing at. All I am saying is be careful of what you wish for.

[He Hate Me]

Be careful in what you wish for. I never want to see someone's head thrown at' date=' no matter who they are.....but beckett is crazy enough to retaliate and clip jeter.[/quote']

 

big deal, Jeter's been hit by every single Sox pitcher in the last 10 years.

 

 

This is crap that doesn't need to be started....if he was going to do that though he should have done it in the 8th, instead of waiting until his team won't bat again.....just dumb

 

Yes because he's completely unaware that we face you guys again in 2 weeks.

[mtbykr]

Joba's K's are from what I can recall mainly swinging strikes on his slider. I think I've seen maybe one or two looking 3rd strikes. He has good command of the fastball, but like most young flammethrowers, he has shown a tendency to overthrow it at times.

 

As for the rest, I think the intent on the first pitch was to bust him high and tight off the plate since Youk is as bad as Jeter when it comes to crowding the inside. I can see why people would think there was intent in the second pitch, but definetely not in the first pitch. In any case, Youkilis said it best, only Joba knows if there was any intent or not. I think Torre will definetely address the second pitch with Joba though.

 

Francona's comments just struck me as sort of juvenile. Obviously he was hinting at something. BTW If any Yankee players called Pedro or whoever was the headhunter du jour on the Sox a "f'n cu*t", I'm pretty sure RSN would have been all over that.

 

 

Be serious...Joba didn't lose control of those pitches. Both were fastballs that were supposed to be low and away. (Posada signaled that and set up there) This was Joba trying to send a message. You guys were just about to finish a sweep when you need it, we looked dead all series, and now Joba does this......just stupid.

[He Hate Me]

What I meant by that is your playing with fire' date=' becuase Joba was trying to send a message....[b']Beckett won't miss what he's throwing at[/b]. All I am saying is be careful of what you wish for.

 

Didnt you just say that Joba has great control? So if he was aiming for the head, wouldn't he have hit it and not miss it as you imply here?

[He Hate Me]

Be serious...Joba didn't lose control of those pitches. Both were fastballs that were supposed to be low and away. (Posada signaled that and set up there) This was Joba trying to send a message. You guys were just about to finish a sweep when you need it' date=' we looked dead all series, and now Joba does this......just stupid.[/quote']

 

you'll have to forgive me if I doubt your show of concern for my team

[mtbykr]

big deal, Jeter's been hit by every single Sox pitcher in the last 10 years.

 

 

 

 

Yes because he's completely unaware that we face you guys again in 2 weeks.

 

 

 

I guess i shouldn't be surprised that you are condoning this based on pedro hitting jeter, ect... typical yankee bias overriding common sense