How much blame do Ortiz and Manny deserve?

[jacksonianmarch]

Is that RISP?

 

on pace for 150, last yr had 156.

[a700hitter]

on pace for 150' date=' last yr had 156.[/quote']What about the prior few years, and how many RBI did they have on June 15th?

[jacksonianmarch]

What about the prior few years' date=' and how many RBI did they have on June 15th?[/quote']

 

57 last yr

[a700hitter]

57 last yr

57 each or total for the two of them?

[jacksonianmarch]

57 each or total for the two of them?

 

57 for Papi alone, 41 for Manny.

 

Thus far, 42 for Papi and 34 for Manny.

[a700hitter]

I guess they are in a decline.

[example1]

this is a smart idea. Move Manny to 3rd because he is on base 40% of the time and drive Manny home. Then again' date=' Papi is on track to have one more AB w/runners on than he did last yr, so I think it is a bit different. He just needs to hit the ball out again.[/quote']

 

I just don't understand how the rest of the team can be fluid in terms of where they hit, but Ortiz and Ramirez are somehow exempt. Doesn't make sense. If drew can leadoff then Manny can hit 3rd if it makes sense.

[MANNYHOF24]

I guess they are in a decline.

 

I would put down 100 dollars saying that they will both have 30+ homers and 110+ RBI. They will both get hot, I say Manny has 17 jacks by the allstar game.

[a700hitter]

I would put down 100 dollars saying that they will both have 30+ homers and 110+ RBI. They will both get hot' date=' I say Manny has 17 jacks by the allstar game.[/quote']I agree. Once the hot weather gets here the balls will be flying outa Fenway.

[SCM33]

What about the power drop? I am not saying they are hurting the team. I am just saying that David and Manny's drop in power has made the sox lineup a bit easier to pitch to.

 

I think this is a snowball effect jack....There arent runners on base, there is no pressure on the pitchers, so they arent seeing as many hittable pitches. Manny and David are much harder to pitch to from the stretch, with runners on base or with runners in scoring position. A lot of times David gets up with 2 outs already......then Manny leads off the next inning. We have 3 guys holding this team down pretty bad right now....thats 33% of the lineup sucking ass. If those guys get on base at some point I expect Manny and David to return to the norm.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think this is a snowball effect jack....There arent runners on base' date=' there is no pressure on the pitchers, so they arent seeing as many hittable pitches. Manny and David are much harder to pitch to from the stretch, with runners on base or with runners in scoring position. A lot of times David gets up with 2 outs already......then Manny leads off the next inning. We have 3 guys holding this team down pretty bad right now....thats 33% of the lineup sucking ass. If those guys get on base at some point I expect Manny and David to return to the norm.[/quote']

 

but SCM, I just showed that they have had MORE baserunners on than they did at this point in the past.

[jacksonianmarch]

Vizquel looks like a jockey.

[SCM33]

but SCM' date=' I just showed that they have had MORE baserunners on than they did at this point in the past.[/quote']

 

I didnt see that....Ill take my lumps, I was wrong.

[seabeachfred]

I think this is a snowball effect jack....There arent runners on base' date=' there is no pressure on the pitchers, so they arent seeing as many hittable pitches. Manny and David are much harder to pitch to from the stretch, with runners on base or with runners in scoring position. A lot of times David gets up with 2 outs already......then Manny leads off the next inning. We have 3 guys holding this team down pretty bad right now....thats 33% of the lineup sucking ass. If those guys get on base at some point I expect Manny and David to return to the norm.[/quote']

 

Since you bring that up Chin tomorrow could be a storm test for your take on things. We are facing Greg Maddux, a future Hall of Famer, but a pitcher on the backend of his career. It is very important to get men in front of Papi and Manny on base because just about everybody knows that Maddux does not like runners on base, has trouble holding runners on, and you can run on him. We most definately want him in a stretch when those two guys come up to the plate. As I told you and the rest of the crew earlier I will be down in SD for the series and would like to have some good news to report when I come home on Monday. The Yankees losing today certainly doesn't hurt our cause at all.

[TheKilo]

They've been doing OK since this thread was started, no?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Well Ortiz has a 1.205 OPS and Manny has a 1.340 OPS since this thread was made so ya Id say they're doing allright

[TheKilo]

Jacko - Can you make a thread about Schilling, Lugo, etc. now?

[redsoxrules]

since jacko opened his mouth

 

manny 3HR 7RBI 381/480/905/1385

ortiz 2HR 4RBI 308/471/923/1394

 

in 6 games

[VA Sox Fan]

I, for one, totally blame Papi and Manny for the Sox being in first place by 10 1/2 games. Slack ass bastards.....

[SCM33]

I' date=' for one, totally blame Papi and Manny for the Sox being in first place by 10 1/2 games. Slack ass bastards.....[/quote']

 

haha, I second that.