who to get

[dougn]

GM, just for shits guys who would you like to pick up ? regardless if we have needs,or not ,i'd like to see Mark loretta with us . I heard Butch sayin something last night as he filled in for Mikey about likein to see him .Is Willie-Mo worth keepin around?

[BSN07]

Out of everyone in the league you chose M. Loretta? I can think of about 100 players I'd pick up before him. Besides Pedroia is hitting above .500 the last week so why the hell would you get Loretta? You better bring better s*** then this or you r gonna get crushed on this board...

[dougn]

My post got deleted by a moderator because I can't manage to post without embarassing myself and the forum with my horrible grammar.

[BSN07]

No problem dougn, Things to keep in mind before posting:

 

1. Grammer, capitalization, Punctuation

2. Spelling helps( Im a horrible speller anyways)

3.Make sure you thread is int he proper sub category(which your ok on)

4. You can throw any topic out there but alot of people like it to be some what relivant and us getting Lorretta back is just absurd at this point in time. So just don't be shocked if you get some backlash, but its all in good fun, look forward to your posts, just as long as there no written like 5 yr old...

[Cocos Disciples]

Pujols.

[ORS]

Loretta? I mean, Loretta? What exactly does he do for this club? He's better than Cora, so I guess he could be the utility infielder. Although, one of the nice things about Cora in relation to the rest of the infield is that he is a LH bat.

 

And, what's the point of picking a guy up if there's no need? The roster is limited to 25 guys for a reason, and you are wasting your time if you are filling it out with people that have no need.

 

The thing I think we need to get by the deadline is another power RHRP. Donnelly is nice, but not quite enough. If MDC and Mmm'bop aren't ready to contibute, then we need to pick one up in trade. The list of candidates will be determined by who is and is not in contention come July 31, so I'll post who I think the targets should be as that picture becomes clear.

[Mr Crunchy]

timlin will be back and hopefully more refreshed than last year

he adds a solid dimension if hes on

of course hes 40? so he's on borrowed time as is and may indeed hit the wall

i like him

i also liked loretta very much

i thought it foolish to let him walk in the offseason for peanuts and give the job to a rookie who hit .100 last summer.

is there an unwritten rule that we must break up our middle infield every offseason??

was their an allstar who made less money than loretta last year??

anyways

it worked out with pedroia proving theo right so far and an assist to francona for keeping the guy in the lineup despite his early woes

 

so far thru today

loretta

.349avg obp .400 ops 825

pedroia

.308 .394 827

pretty much identical

pedroia is certainly holding his own here

[dougn]

There was a sports bar in my neighborhood and above the inside door read " Thru these doors walk some of the greatest baseball minds ever" I used to like sitting around just listening to these genius'. Therefore I come here in peace just to read what you baseball fanatics have to say.

Personally I'd love to see Theo pull something outta his hat similar to 2004, not that our needs even compare, but there's always room for improvement , whether it be a big bull for the pen or another utility player.

[Beckett95]

mark loretta isnt good enough to be on this roster right now. maybe if cora or pedroia get hurt, but other than that he would have no spot on the MLB roster. Just no need really.

[Beckett95]

Id look into getting guys like:

 

SP(if Tavarez shits the bed and Lester isnt ready to come back)

Buehrle (3.66 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 1.21 GO/AO, 3.29 K/BB)

Joe Kennedy (3.62 ERA, 1.37 WHIP, 1.69 GO/AO, .91 K/BB)

livan hernandez (3.58 ERA, 1.47 WHIP, 1.13 GO/AO, 1.06 K/BB)

many other options will probably be available by the deadline

 

CF(Crisp sucks and has proven he can't play in this city)

Rowand (.321, .393 .500, 3 SB, 7 HR)

Byrnes (.306, .366, .519, 9 SB, 8 HR)

Hunter (.318, .359, ..578, 9 SB, 11 HR)

 

RP(can never have enough bullpen depth, especially if Timlin cant come back strong)

Linebrink (2.19 ERA, .89 WHIP, 1.27 GO/AO, 2.55 K/BB)

Gordon?? (injured all year but has a good track record)

bunch of little pickups available to at the deadline im sure but for now i cant really think of any more big name relievers available

 

the rest of the roster should stay set, the only other move i could see happening is getting a RH bat (return of Shea maybe??) for the bench if we use Willy Mo in a deal

[jacksonianmarch]

I would assume the sox would be in the market for starting pitching, as crazy as it sounds. With Schilling likely on his way out and his wearing down as the season goes along, it couldnt hurt to shore up the staff. And with 3 potential openings in the rotation next season (Tavarez, Schilling and Wake), they'd be smart to try and nab a guy that will be around for a few yrs, granted if they are able to resign them.

 

Buerhle would be the choice if I were a sox fan. He is a young, left handed, innings eater who, aside from last season, has been a top tier AL pitcher for a long time. Insert him into your rotation and you have a top 5 of Schilling, Beckett, Buerhle, Matsuzaka, and Wakefield and more importantly, you'd have a top 3 of Beckett, Buerhle and DMats going into next yr where your rotation may include 2 kids (Lester and Buchholz). What would it take? It would take a lot. But the sox would have to part with only one of the prized pitching prospects. Bard's stock is low. Bowden's is high and Buchholz's is astronomical. Either Bowden or Buchholz mixed with WMP should get it done. If they wont want WMP, put Ellsbury in his place. That is well worth it to get a young innings eater.

[seabeachfred]

Loretta? I mean, Loretta? What exactly does he do for this club? He's better than Cora, so I guess he could be the utility infielder. Although, one of the nice things about Cora in relation to the rest of the infield is that he is a LH bat.

 

And, what's the point of picking a guy up if there's no need? The roster is limited to 25 guys for a reason, and you are wasting your time if you are filling it out with people that have no need.

 

The thing I think we need to get by the deadline is another power RHRP. Donnelly is nice, but not quite enough. If MDC and Mmm'bop aren't ready to contibute, then we need to pick one up in trade. The list of candidates will be determined by who is and is not in contention come July 31, so I'll post who I think the targets should be as that picture becomes clear.

 

Larry Bigbie was hitting 349 at Las Vegas when his release from his minor league contract came due and the Dodgers released him. I would take him over Pena in two shakes of a monkey's ass since the guy can field his position and hit in the clutch. However, Theo won't make a move to get rid of his pet project. Now I would keep my antenna open to see if Minnesota stays in the race or drops off in the next month or two and make a move to "rent" Torii Hunter for a couple of months. It would cost us a young player or two but Hunterman isn't going back to the Twins anyway and he might be just that extra oomph we need to get over the top this year. OK guys, that was my choice. Flail away. ;) ;)

[seabeachfred]

There was a sports bar in my neighborhood and above the inside door read " Thru these doors walk some of the greatest baseball minds ever" I used to like sitting around just listening to these genius'. Therefore I come here in peace just to read what you baseball fanatics have to say.

Personally I'd love to see Theo pull something outta his hat similar to 2004, not that our needs even compare, but there's always room for improvement , whether it be a big bull for the pen or another utility player.

 

Dougn, speaking only for myself, I am a Red Sox fanatic but certainly no genius when it comes to picking which talent is what's needed and which is the chaff that should be sent away. I'm right more than I'm wrong but I'm the same guy who once said Sandy Koufax was a useless wild man who will never amount to anything . Good move, huh???

 

I made the statement that if the Twins fell out of the AL race that Torii Hunter could become available for a two month "rent" and that would certainly be a helluva improvement over Coco Crisp in CF. I have always liked Hunter and think he would be great for the Red Sox. Kind of like an outfield version of Orlando Cabrera, the guy we got in 2004 that was so instrumental in our winning it all that year.:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

we all have had good ideas and have had some doozies. Never be afraid to state your opinion. Just dont be too redundant and dont be adam or TW101 level stupid and you should be fine.

[Beckett95]

trade MDC, Piniero and Breslow/Lopez for Rowand

 

rowand seems like the perfect fit as a Red Sox. He'll do anything for his team and guys all out every play. He'd be loved in Boston, especially if he keeps hitting like he has this year.

 

move Crisp to Chicago along with Bowden and a solid prospect (Lowrie, Johnson, Masterson) for Buehrle

 

Lugo

Youk

Ortiz

Manny

Drew

Lowell

Varitek

Rowand

Pedroia

 

Schilling

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Buehrle

Wakefield

 

rotation cant get much better than that

 

and once Lugo and Drew start hitting better, which Drew will, not sure about Lugo, but that could be one of the most dangerous lineups in baseball

[schillingouttheks]

I love Rowand.

 

And Jacko, as far as the pitching goes, Lester will step into the '08 rotation so there are really only 2 possible holes in the lineup. I would like the Sox to save a bit of money this offseason so they can go hard after Johan Santana or another big pitcher...

 

For the RHRP, as crazy as it sounds, Kyle Farnsworth is exactly what the Sox need. He can obviously be better with work, but when he's dealing he can be untouchable. Great velocity and such. But I have a feeling Steiny would never let Cashman deal with us so...yeah.

[EvilDonut]

I always loved Rowand when he was with the Chi Sox, I think the Nation would see a lot of Trot in him too.

 

If the Phillies are out, he'd be a realistic grab.

[Beckett95]

rowand always goes balls out after balls and is the "dirt dog" player we all love in boston.

 

he is a great 8 hitter in the lineup who can actually hit, unlike our CF right now. He also has some pop and has a better arm than Crisp

[ksushi]

I heard Wily Mo for Linebrink was talked about. I'd be fine with that. We need another set-up arm, because Timlin is struggling in AAA and thats not exactly comforting and Oki needs to have some of the load lifted off his shoulders.

 

Right now Coco looks about as bad as you can get, so picking up a CFer might not be a terrible idea. Hunter might be available if the Twins fall out of it.

 

EDIT - I would LOVE Aaron Rowand on this team. If we could move Delcarmen/Hansen and maybe Murphy or Moss for Rowand I would be very excited.

[CrespoBlows]

Larry Bigbie was hitting 349 at Las Vegas when his release from his minor league contract came due and the Dodgers released him. I would take him over Pena in two shakes of a monkey's ass since the guy can field his position and hit in the clutch. However' date=' Theo won't make a move to get rid of his pet project. Now I would keep my antenna open to see if Minnesota stays in the race or drops off in the next month or two and make a move to "rent" Torii Hunter for a couple of months. It would cost us a young player or two but Hunterman isn't going back to the Twins anyway and he might be just that extra oomph we need to get over the top this year. OK guys, that was my choice. Flail away. ;) ;)[/quote']

 

Larry Bigbie?

 

The guy with a career .391 SLG%?

 

The guy who hits .213 in close and late situations?

 

The guy who hits .247 with RISP?

 

He's "clutch?"

 

Dude, you really need to get a CAT scan.

[CrespoBlows]

I love Rowand.

 

And Jacko, as far as the pitching goes, Lester will step into the '08 rotation so there are really only 2 possible holes in the lineup. I would like the Sox to save a bit of money this offseason so they can go hard after Johan Santana or another big pitcher...

 

For the RHRP, as crazy as it sounds, Kyle Farnsworth is exactly what the Sox need. He can obviously be better with work, but when he's dealing he can be untouchable. Great velocity and such. But I have a feeling Steiny would never let Cashman deal with us so...yeah.

 

I always loved Rowand when he was with the Chi Sox, I think the Nation would see a lot of Trot in him too.

 

If the Phillies are out, he'd be a realistic grab.

 

rowand always goes balls out after balls and is the "dirt dog" player we all love in boston.

 

he is a great 8 hitter in the lineup who can actually hit, unlike our CF right now. He also has some pop and has a better arm than Crisp

 

I heard Wily Mo for Linebrink was talked about. I'd be fine with that. We need another set-up arm, because Timlin is struggling in AAA and thats not exactly comforting and Oki needs to have some of the load lifted off his shoulders.

 

Right now Coco looks about as bad as you can get, so picking up a CFer might not be a terrible idea. Hunter might be available if the Twins fall out of it.

 

EDIT - I would LOVE Aaron Rowand on this team. If we could move Delcarmen/Hansen and maybe Murphy or Moss for Rowand I would be very excited.

 

Instead of trading a bunch of relievers, we could give Jacoby Ellsbury a chance.

[CrespoBlows]

trade MDC, Piniero and Breslow/Lopez for Rowand

 

rowand seems like the perfect fit as a Red Sox. He'll do anything for his team and guys all out every play. He'd be loved in Boston, especially if he keeps hitting like he has this year.

 

move Crisp to Chicago along with Bowden and a solid prospect (Lowrie, Johnson, Masterson) for Buehrle

 

Lugo

Youk

Ortiz

Manny

Drew

Lowell

Varitek

Rowand

Pedroia

 

Schilling

Beckett

Matsuzaka

Buehrle

Wakefield

 

rotation cant get much better than that

 

and once Lugo and Drew start hitting better, which Drew will, not sure about Lugo, but that could be one of the most dangerous lineups in baseball

 

Why would Chicago make that trade? Coco Crisp is OPSing .612, and his OBP is below .300. Bowden is a good prospect, but Buehrle is top of the rotation starter. Do you really think you can get him for a potential ace, a potential utility infielder, and a below average CF?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Its funny because last year a Crisp for Buehrle straight up deal was being discussed.

[Beckett95]

Its funny because last year a Crisp for Buehrle straight up deal was being discussed.

 

thats why i brought crisp into it and just added Bowden since Crisp has been struggling in Boston. My offer would probably come up short but i think its a decent start.

 

And they currently have Luis Terrero as there starting CF so i think that be something they'd look into

[seabeachfred]

Larry Bigbie?

 

The guy with a career .391 SLG%?

 

The guy who hits .213 in close and late situations?

 

The guy who hits .247 with RISP?

 

He's "clutch?"

 

Dude, you really need to get a CAT scan.

 

Precision as usual Crespo. I had one this morning to check my carotid artery. Imagine being so smart as to know that. I saw Bigbee this spring and he looked like a new hitter. Those are telling stats you gave me dude; where did you get them? I also noticed that you never reacted to the Hunter part of my post. Look, if you're going to tear down my suggeston, go ahead but at least have the freaking decency to comment on the whole package. Now I will listen to what you come up with, and please don't tell me that we stick with Wily Mo Pena for the duration. I may have differences with you but I know you're not a f***ing idiot.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[CrespoBlows]

Its funny because last year a Crisp for Buehrle straight up deal was being discussed.

 

And that deal was promptly rejected by Kenny Williams.

 

Crisp has done nothing to improve his value, while Buehrle has thrown a no hitter. Great.

 

Run that by Williams again.

[adam123]

Got to go with Rowand too he would fit excellent into our line up .He's tough gritty and reminds me alot of Trot . I say MDC and WMP to get the deal done .

[ksushi]

Philly needs a closer, Hansen could audition... Hansen and Moss/WMP or whoever would get it done. Yeah, I know Ellsbury is waiting in the wings, but this is one of those "now" moves that basically completes an already well oiled-pwnage machine. Ellsbury is 23 years old, if he stays down for the remainder of this year, we get a look at him in ST and maybe he competes for a job maybe he doesn't is that so bad? It would be great to have that kind of luxury... he isn't going to be ready this year, but talking about his debut maybe mid-way through next year sounds fine to me. He is a high-ceiling talent, and has a lot of value and its a luxury to be able to not rush him and to wait on him while he develops. If we wanted to sit Crisp or deal him and bring in another CFer to take his place, I'd be all for it. Crisp can't turn on a fastball anymore, for whatever reason. He is having a hard time getting around on 92 MPH heaters. Thats pathetic. Major league hitters need to be able to catch up with a fastball and Crisp does not look like a major leaguer right now.

 

Granted Crisp's defense has been invaluable. He is +18 right now in CF... Andruw Jones's best season he was +15. He is getting great breaks on balls, and taking very good routes, he is worlds better than he was last year, but his hitting has gotten a lot worse. He has regressed to the point where a trip to the minor leagues might be best for him. But point is, he is helping us out and I don't think that there is anyone we could bring in from anywhere for any price that could give us what Coco is giving us defensively.

 

Rowand would do a lot for our chemistry though. He would go balls out every single day and he is really hitting well right now. I'm always wary of bringing guys over from the NL, but Rowand has done it with the White Sox too and I loved him when he was with Chicago. I had no idea why Theo let Rowands name escape his list of possible CFers after Damon left and I would be really excited to see him come to boston.

[jacksonianmarch]

Craig Hansen is having trouble getting AAA hitters out. Why would any major league team give him a closers audition in the majors?

[Beckett95]

id like to see Theo go all-in and get the pieces to win it all this year.

 

1. some package of MDC, Piniero, Breslow/Lopez, Moss/Murphy for Rowand

 

2. Bowden, Crisp, Masterson/K. Johnson, maybe another prospect (Moss/Murphy/Lowrie) for Buehrle

 

3. WMP and maybe a low-level prospect for Linebrink

 

4. pick-up Hillenbrand for a low ranking prospect to replace Willy Mo as the right handed bat on the bench. i dont see who else is available to fill the role.

 

Lineup

1. Youk—1B

2. Pedroia—2B

3. Ortiz—DH

4. Manny—LF

5. Drew—RF

6. Lowell—3B

7. Varitek—C

8. Rowand—CF

9. Lugo—SS

 

Bench

Hinske

Cora

Mirabelli

Hillenbrand

 

Rotation

1. Schilling

2. Beckett

3. Matsuzaka

4. Buehrle

5. Wakefield

 

Bullpen

LR—Snyder

LOOGY—Lopez/Romero/Breslow

MRP—Timlin

MRP—Donnelly

SU—Okajima

SU— Linebrink

CL—Papelbon

 

almost guranteed world series as long as people stay healthy.