Is A-Rod a dirty player?

[schillingouttheks]

One thing's for sure....

 

You can expect A-Rod to have a fun time at the plate next time the Yanks meet the Jays.

 

A-Rod's going to get himself hurt if he keeps this crap up. He's going to get on everyone's bad side and they WILL start throwing at him.

 

That being said...if the Sox can sign him next year, I want that talent

[He Hate Me]

It's a lot easier to distinguish the fans' voices from another player on the field...

 

yeah but the thing is, we've all played in games and had this done to us. The guy's just embarassed he actually for it.

[schillingouttheks]

Funny...hasn't happened to me or any of my teammates in the games I've played in since 6th grade little league.

[He Hate Me]

you must be playing with mutes then.

[kyahbean]

I played baseball from tee-ball all the way through until I hit high school and never did I see anything like that.

[schillingouttheks]

you must be playing with mutes then.

 

No, I just think that most people are more mature by then.

 

This kind of stuff happens with 10-12 year olds. It doesn't happen with high school/college/professional baseball. It just doesn't. I've played A LOT of baseball. It hasn't happened to me, any of my teammates, or any other friends since little league days.

[yeszir]

yeah but the thing is' date=' we've all played in games and had this done to us. The guy's just embarassed he actually for it.[/quote']

I don't know about you, but I've never played in a MLB game.

[schillingouttheks]

I don't know about you' date=' but I've never played in a MLB game.[/quote']

 

I know, really. I know that I HAVE played in high school and I have tons of friends who play in college. This just doesn't happen as much as some people are trying to believe it does. Everyone's had it happen to them in LITTLE LEAGUE. Not after that. You understand what common decency and maturity are after those years.

[mtbykr]

During all the time i played from farm system (pre LL) through high school i never saw that from any players...fans sure. I also lived in the baseball dorm in college and saw most of their games, and never saw it once.

[Thumper]

Haha, used to do s*** like this all the time during little league and half the time it worked. Also won the sportsmanship award one year for the league...go figure.

 

Anyway, no it's not a dirty play and he's not a dirty player, it's just the fact that he's A-Rod that causes these things to be blown up.

 

Slide into Pedroia=Routine play if you watch MLB baseball, a little flair at the end but no big deal.

Smacking the ball from Arroyo= Play out of desperation and it was just a poor baseball decision but nothing too serious.

Calling "Hah"=Part of the game...this isn't golf.

 

I can't believe you're coming to A-Rod's defense when even his own teammates won't.

 

It IS a dirty play and from A-Rod's history, he IS a dirty player. Now, I wouldn't call it cheating since it wasn't a physical distraction, but it IS dirty, cheap, and uncalled for, ESPECIALLY in the MLB where people should be more mature about the game and just enjoy it.

 

Yelling out "HAH" or "MINE" during a game is something you'd expect from an ******* fan. Not something you'd expect from an player.

[yankees228]

It's a lot easier to distinguish the fans' voices from another player on the field...

 

Teammates also usually know the voices are one another. Granted, this guy had only come up recently, but you would think he would know the difference between A-Rod's voice and one of his teammates.

 

Granted, it was probably poor judgement on A-Rod's part, but as people have already said, this would not get nearly this much attention if it weren't A-Rod. People are quick to jump on him for every little thing, and that is a fact.

[Thumper]

Teammates also usually know the voices are one another. Granted, this guy had only come up recently, but you would think he would know the difference between A-Rod's voice and one of his teammates.

 

Granted, it was probably poor judgement on A-Rod's part, but as people have already said, this would not get nearly this much attention if it weren't A-Rod. People are quick to jump on him for every little thing, and that is a fact.

 

I love how you guys who support or defend A-Rod call it "poor judgement" and are too scared to admit it was flat out dirty play. Big Papi could do it, it's still a DIRTY play.

[yeszir]

Teammates also usually know the voices are one another. Granted, this guy had only come up recently, but you would think he would know the difference between A-Rod's voice and one of his teammates.

 

Granted, it was probably poor judgement on A-Rod's part, but as people have already said, this would not get nearly this much attention if it weren't A-Rod. People are quick to jump on him for every little thing, and that is a fact.

Reacting to someone yelling MINE is basically like a fight or flight response. I doubt he had time to really register and analyze the voice that was yelling behind him. Plus, at the screaming level, you really can't tell voices apart.

 

But the point is moot. It's not his fault or his teammate's fault, it's A-Rod's fault entirely.

[schillingouttheks]

Well, A-Rod's own actions in the past have gotten him where he is. If this was the first time he did something, it wouldn't have been a big deal.

[yeszir]

I really don't think this should be a Red Sox fans vs Yankees fans type thing. I wouldn't call the play clean if Lowell were to do it to someone.

[yankees228]

I love how you guys who support or defend A-Rod call it "poor judgement" and are too scared to admit it was flat out dirty play. Big Papi could do it' date=' it's still a DIRTY play.[/quote']

 

Why dissect my choice of words, when they basically amount to the same thing, instead of actually responding to the post?

[Thumper]

I really don't think this should be a Red Sox fans vs Yankees fans type thing. I wouldn't call the play clean if Lowell were to do it to someone.

 

Anyone from any team could do it, and it still isn't clean. And yankees228 said that if it weren't A-Rod that it wouldn't get so much attention... Well whens the last time you've seen Craig Biggio yell "MINE" as he rounded home? The reason it's got so much attention is because A-Rod is known for dirty play.

[schillingouttheks]

Anyone from any team could do it' date=' and it still isn't clean. And yankees228 said that if it weren't A-Rod that it wouldn't get so much attention... Well whens the last time you've seen Craig Biggio yell "MINE" as he rounded home? The reason it's got so much attention is because A-Rod is known for dirty play.[/quote']

 

GOD. He isn't defending A-Rod. He explicitly stated it was "poor judgment." How's his choice of words any different?

 

And he's right. It it weren't A-Rod it wouldn't have gotten a lot of attention. If Craig Biggio rounded third and yelled "MINE" it wouldn't have been a big deal. What I don't think he realizes though is that it's A-Rod's fault, and his alone, that everything has become a big deal with him. I agree with you there, and you agree with yankees228 there as well. You don't agree on the REASONS for it being a big deal, though.

 

I disagree with you in that he's defending A-Rod. He said A-Rod used poor judgment. That's not defending him. Dirty play = poor judgment. Do you refute that? Or do Yankee fans really need to let A-Rod hang out to dry for you to be satisfied?

[yankees228]

Reacting to someone yelling MINE is basically like a fight or flight response. I doubt he had time to really register and analyze the voice that was yelling behind him. Plus, at the screaming level, you really can't tell voices apart.

 

But the point is moot. It's not his fault or his teammate's fault, it's A-Rod's fault entirely.

 

I don't disagree with you. A-Rod was wrong for yelling mine, I'm not arguing that.

 

However, you guys are referring to him as be know for doing dirty things in the past. Here's my problem with that. He's started in the major leagues since 1996. You guys have looked back at two things before yesterday (the slap and the slide). Does two things in over a decade make him a dirty player, or give him a reputation as a cheater as others have referred to him as?

 

I'm not naive to thing that he has not done anything similar to this at other times, but I'm also not naive to thing that he is the only one who does it. Many of you have said that the reason this is getting so much attention is because he has a reputation for doing similar things. However, I think it's unfair to give him that kind of reputation based on just a couple of incidents. It's my feeling that the reason this is getting so much attention is that people simply love to hate A-Rod, for good reasons and bad reasons.

[yankees228]

GOD. He isn't defending A-Rod. He explicitly stated it was "poor judgment." How's his choice of words any different?

 

And he's right. It it weren't A-Rod it wouldn't have gotten a lot of attention. If Craig Biggio rounded third and yelled "MINE" it wouldn't have been a big deal. What I don't think he realizes though is that it's A-Rod's fault, and his alone, that everything has become a big deal with him. I agree with you there, and you agree with yankees228 there as well. You don't agree on the REASONS for it being a big deal, though.

 

I disagree with you in that he's defending A-Rod. He said A-Rod used poor judgment. That's not defending him. Dirty play = poor judgment. Do you refute that? Or do Yankee fans really need to let A-Rod hang out to dry for you to be satisfied?

 

For the record, I do blame A-Rod. My first post, in retrospect, was misleading, probably false, and unnecessary. I was simply responding to what you had said earlier, and looking back I see the differences.

[Thumper]

I don't disagree with you. A-Rod was wrong for yelling mine, I'm not arguing that.

 

However, you guys are referring to him as be know for doing dirty things in the past. Here's my problem with that. He's started in the major leagues since 1996. You guys have looked back at two things before yesterday (the slap and the slide). Does two things in over a decade make him a dirty player, or give him a reputation as a cheater as others have referred to him as?

 

I'm not naive to thing that he has not done anything similar to this at other times, but I'm also not naive to thing that he is the only one who does it. Many of you have said that the reason this is getting so much attention is because he has a reputation for doing similar things. However, I think it's unfair to give him that kind of reputation based on just a couple of incidents. It's my feeling that the reason this is getting so much attention is that people simply love to hate A-Rod, for good reasons and bad reasons.

 

Well I think the main reason he's getting a lot of crap is because he's really been known to be a prima donna, you know he's got an attitude problem when things don't go his way. And I think lately it's just beginning to fall apart for him and he isn't liking it. I don't give him the reputation of a cheater or a bad ball player, but I do consider him an arrogant prima donna with an attitude problem, which is nothing new to baseball, but that doesn't mean A-Rod has to act like he acts..

[yeszir]

Does two things in over a decade make him a dirty player, or give him a reputation as a cheater as others have referred to him as?

 

Yes, essentially. Those two lapses in judgment came in two high profile games against the Red Sox. Many people who don't watch every Yankee game saw those two games.

 

Is it skewed because he's so high profile? Yes. But he should be EXTRA careful about this kind of stuff because he's A-Rod. Or does he think he's allowed to do this because of who he is?

[yankees228]

Yes, essentially. Those two lapses in judgment came in two high profile games against the Red Sox. Many people who don't watch every Yankee game saw those two games.

 

Is it skewed because he's so high profile? Yes. But he should be EXTRA careful about this kind of stuff because he's A-Rod. Or does he think he's allowed to do this because of who he is?

 

Well, ok, I disagree that because of two incidents he should be labled with that reputation. But we'll have to agree to disagree. As for the incidents, the slap was stupid, uncalled for, dirty, and desperate, but he didn't get away with it. He was called out on the play, and admitted his mistake after the game. He took full blame for the situation, if I remember correctly. It would be one thing if he stood by what he did, but he admitted his wrong-doing.

 

As for the slide, that was also unnecessary, but it is not as clear cut. He didn't back off what he did, because he didn't feel he did anything wrong. What he did was excessive, and once again unnecessary, but was it really flat out dirty. The problem here is that I think he takes more flack because he is the highest payed player in baseball. Once again, we'll have to agree to disagree here.

 

The point is, he has made mistakes. But is it really necessary to jump on everything he does. Some like him, while others don't, and, in all probability, nothing will change that.

[Optimist]

He's a scumbag...but we already learned that earlier in the day, thanks to the Post.

[TheKilo]

more media driven crap. I heard Peter Gammons call it grade A bush league. Well Peter, if you ever laced up the spikes, you'd know what Bush league is. Is it dumb? Yes. Childish? Yes. But is it done all the time? Absolutely. And if this wasnt ARod, nobody would be talking about it.

 

As to the, is arod a dirty player debate? I WISH he was a dirty player. Dirty players will do whatever it takes to win, even if they have to bend a few rules. I like that. I'll take a team of 25 dirty guys than 25 pure guys (the Torre model).

 

What other instance has it happened? Can you tell me?

 

I mean, it's pretty much entirely the Jays' fault. But the fact ARod would try something like this? What does that say about him?

[jacksonianmarch]

What other instance has it happened? Can you tell me?

 

I mean, it's pretty much entirely the Jays' fault. But the fact ARod would try something like this? What does that say about him?

 

this happens ALL THE TIME. At the college level, it happened nearly every popup. Fernando Vina on BBTN was saying that it happened nearly every game when he played. This has happened since the early days of baseball. You typically make nothing of it because the baseball players are typically skilled enough to make the play. When the AAAA player f***s up, he cant blame himself, he needs to blame the player.

 

As to what it says about ARod. It says he' willing to try anything to win. He tried the same s*** with Arroyo and had it worked, we may have won a world series. I'll take that any day of the week and twice on sunday.

[jacksonianmarch]

this is some funny s***.

 

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[Cityofchampions33]

Umm yea, I've never done that to anyone, I've never seen it been done, never ehard of it being done, and that's never been done to me. I don't know how you fellas play where you're from, but we don't do that in Boston. I mean, honestly, I don't find it that big of a deal, the 3rd baseman would have been able to process that no one else would call him off sicne he was positioned there, and even so, he couldv'e called that person off anyways.

[ORS]

this happens ALL THE TIME. At the college level, it happened nearly every popup. Fernando Vina on BBTN was saying that it happened nearly every game when he played. This has happened since the early days of baseball. You typically make nothing of it because the baseball players are typically skilled enough to make the play. When the AAAA player f***s up, he cant blame himself, he needs to blame the player.

 

As to what it says about ARod. It says he' willing to try anything to win. He tried the same s*** with Arroyo and had it worked, we may have won a world series. I'll take that any day of the week and twice on sunday.

Fernando Vina is the first I've heard saying it happens everyday. The newspapers and radio shows all had quotes from big leaguers saying they haven't seen it since they were kids. And, if this happens all the time, why have I never, not even once, seen it happen on a broadcast.

 

Hell, if it's something that happens every day, why did he lie to cover it up? What's to hide? Clark heard, "Mine", and tape looks like that is what he said, but ARod covers it up with, "I said HA". And, lots of no comments, or I don't know about that, from his teammates postgame. If this is so normal, why didn't he say, "Yeah, I did it, and I'm glad it worked", and why didn't his teammates say, "Good stuff, I can't believe it worked." No, everyone was acting like there was something to be afraid of. I can understand why you like the "win at all costs" mentality. It's nice to know they care about the outcome. That said, this was bush league. Not as bad or blantant as the slap, but it was bush.

[BoSox34]

I don't know who dropped the ball but whoever it was should be ashamed of

A. missing a routine pop up.

B. blaming it on an opposing player.

 

This happens many times during a season and the only time this would turn into a big fiasco is when it's A-Rod.

 

If manny did this, everyone would be saying, "Oh, that's just manny being manny.", and they'd be praising him.

 

Baseball is a game of the mind and everytime you can get a mental advantage on your opponent, it will always work in your favor. What about in the NBA, when players scream or yell during an opponent's shot or when a player will walk up to another and try to jinx him before a free throw. There's a mental side to sports and A-Rod used it to his advantage in this instance.