May 16th vs. Detroit

[EvilDonut]

Julian Tavarez

 

(Mike Maroth is pretty mediocre too, he's still not Julian Tavarez)

 

To be fair to him Maroth has been owned by the sox, never winning, with an ERA close to 8, so it may be a more even game then you'd think

[CrespoBlows]

but they still have a shot of winning right?

 

Sure, they do.

 

But to say that it doesn't matter, is entirely foolish.

[redsoxrules]

Sure, they do.

 

But to say that it doesn't matter, is entirely foolish.

 

so as to saying were gonna lose for sure is foolish as well , especially when were facing a pitcher we own

[CrespoBlows]

To be fair to him Maroth has been owned by the sox' date=' never winning, with an ERA close to 8, so it may be a more even game then you'd think[/quote']

 

Most of those starts were made back in 2003, when he was on one of the worst teams in baseball. I think it is safe to say, Maroth is a different pitcher.

 

Besides, those sample sizes are too small to say for a fact that he has been "owned."

[CrespoBlows]

so as to saying were gonna lose for sure is foolish as well ' date=' especially when were facing a pitcher we own[/quote']

 

Oh, knock it off.

 

There's no way in hell I think the Tigers are a 100% lock tonight. The odds are certaintly in their favor, but those aren't anywhere near 100%.

[riverside sluggers]

Mike Maroth (7 games vs Boston, 0-6 record with a 7.22 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 4 games, 0-4 record with an 8.02 ERA)

Julio Lugo, 4 for 11 (.364 avg) Double, RBI, K

Coco Crisp, 5 for 25 (.200 avg) 5 Ks

David Ortiz, 1 for 9 (.111 avg) 3 Ks

Manny Ramirez, 8 for 18 (.444 avg) 2 RBIs, 2 Walks, 3 Ks

Kevin Youkilis, 0 for 2, Walk, K

Mike Lowell ---

Jason Varitek, 10 for 16 (.625 avg) Double, Triple, 3 HRs, 6 RBIs, 4 Walks, K

Wily Mo Pena ---

Dustin Pedroia ---

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J.D. Drew, 0 for 3, Walk

Eric Hinske, 4 for 17 (.235 avg) 2 Doubles, HR, 4 RBIs, 6 Ks

Doug Mirabelli, 2 for 7 (.286 avg) 2 HRs, 7 RBIs, Walk, 2 Ks

 

Julian Tavarez (9 games vs Detroit, 2-0 record with a 5.11 ERA---Career at Fenway Park in 39 games, 7-5 record & 1 save with a 5.08 ERA)

Curtis Granderson ---

Placido Polanco, 4 for 12 (.333 avg) K

Gary Sheffield, 7 for 21 (.333 avg) 2 Doubles, 2 RBIs, 4 Walks, 3 Ks, 3 SBs

Magglio Ordonez, 1 for 7 (.143 avg) HR, 3 RBIs

Carlos Guillen, 0 for 1, K

Ivan Rodriguez, 7 for 15 (.467 avg) 2 Doubles, 3 RBIs

Sean Casey, 6 for 17 (.353 avg) 2 Doubles, HR, 4 RBIs, 3 Walks

Craig Monroe ---

Brandon Inge ---

///

Neifi Perez, 0 for 5, 2 Ks

[TedWilliams101]

Sample sizes are irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't pitched well vs the sox. That is a fact. In the few starts that he has made he got knocked around. Sample sizes have nothing to do with that. You're using sample sizes incorrectly. It would be incorrect to believe that he was a terrible pitcher because of his performances vs the Red Sox, and that would be incorrect because of the small sample size. But that isn't what he is saying. He simply said that Maroth has had a bad history against the Red Sox and is hoping for that to continue.

 

I also think that Maroth is better than he was in '03, but not significantly. He's mediocre and I think the Red Sox will be able to do some damage against him, or at least drive his pitch count up so he is out of the game early.

 

And I wouldn't call Tavarez a terrible pitcher. He's bellow average for sure, but as #5 starter for the Red Sox, it's fine. He certainly is good enough to give the Red Sox a good shot at winning. It will be up to the offense though.

[TedWilliams101]

Ouch, the Tigers really have had great success against Tavarez. This is going to be a tough game.

[redsoxrules]

Oh, knock it off.

 

There's no way in hell I think the Tigers are a 100% lock tonight

 

the why did you say the sox are going to lose ? that makes no sense

[CrespoBlows]

Sample sizes are irrelevant to the fact that he hasn't pitched well vs the sox.

 

Let's say Barry Bonds is in the midst of a bad month. He hits .077, and while doing that he faces a rookie pitcher for the first few times.

 

Bonds proceeds to go 0-6 against that pitcher.

 

Does that mean that the pitcher owns Barry Bonds?

 

Sample sizes have nothing to do with that. You're using sample sizes incorrectly. It would be incorrect to believe that he was a terrible pitcher because of his performances vs the Red Sox, and that would be incorrect because of the small sample size. But that isn't what he is saying.

 

He simply said that Maroth has had a bad history against the Red Sox and is hoping for that to continue.

 

No, he said the Red Sox, "owned" Maroth. You can't say that, because of only relevant starts. It's absolutely impossible to clarify that.

 

I also think that Maroth is better than he was in '03, but not significantly. He's mediocre and I think the Red Sox will be able to do some damage against him, or at least drive his pitch count up so he is out of the game early.

 

His ERA was 5.73 in 2003. He allowed 34 big flies. His WHIP was at 1.50. The guy was not a good pitcher.

 

Plus, the 2003 Red Sox offense was one of the best offense ball clubs in the history of the sport.

 

 

And I wouldn't call Tavarez a terrible pitcher. He's bellow average for sure, but as #5 starter for the Red Sox, it's fine. He certainly is good enough to give the Red Sox a good shot at winning. It will be up to the offense though.

 

Tavarez is an average pitcher out of the bullpen. He is a terrible starting pitcher. He just doesn't have the stamina to pitch that long.

[adam123]

here we red sox here we go

[CrespoBlows]

the why did you say the sox are going to lose ? that makes no sense

 

Are you really this stupid? Do you take everything so literally? Do you have any deductive reasoning?

 

I am picking the Tigers to win this ballgame. That doesn't equate to me saying that the Tigers are an 100% lock.

[Cocos Disciples]

Wow. Tek's numbers against Maroth are kinda ridiculous.

[Cocos Disciples]

And I'm leaning towards the Tigers in this one. Tavarez is bad, Tigers offense will jump on him. Maroth is a soft tossing lefty, and I believe the Sox struggle against his type.

[ANiMAL]

where's ADAM' date=' cmon buddy. Post.[/quote']

 

here we red sox here we go

 

^^^^^^ there he is!

 

BTW, I love the math mojo. The Integrating Batman problem is in my math room.

[schillingouttheks]

here we red sox here we go

 

I thought it was "Here we GO Red Sox, here we go!" *clap clap*

[TedWilliams101]

CrespBlows, the Red Sox HAVE owned Maroth. Thats a fact. It doesn't matter that he had only 7 starts against us. It is a FACT that the Red Sox hit him well throughout all of those starts. We're not arguing that Maroth is a terrible pitcher because of those 7 starts, we are saying that the Red Sox have done well against him, which they have.

 

And the Bonds comparison is just wrong. If Bonds faced a pitcher in 7 games, let'ssay he had 15 At-Bats, and only managed 1 single with 8 strike outs. It would be a fact that the pitcher had owned Bonds. It doesn't matter what the condition is. The fact would be that Bonds didn't do well against him. Again, thats not saying that Bonds is a bad hitter or that the pitcher is Cy Young, its simply saying that Bonds hadn't had success against the pitcher. That has NOTHING to do with Sample Sizes.

[CrespoBlows]

And the Bonds comparison is just wrong. If Bonds faced a pitcher in 7 games, let'ssay he had 15 At-Bats, and only managed 1 single with 8 strike outs. It would be a fact that the pitcher had owned Bonds. It doesn't matter what the condition is. The fact would be that Bonds didn't do well against him. Again, thats not saying that Bonds is a bad hitter or that the pitcher is Cy Young, its simply saying that Bonds hadn't had success against the pitcher. That has NOTHING to do with Sample Sizes.

 

See the surronding example.

 

Maroth is having a bad month, or in his case in 2003, a bad year. The Red Sox slap him around, and those three starts are weighed in on his ERA. Looking at Maroth:

 

2003:

 

Faces Red Sox on June 25th. Goes 7 IP 2 ER.

 

Month of June stats: 3.19 ERA

 

Faces Red Sox on July 11th and 25th. Goes 14.1 IP and allows 12 ER. The start on the 25th, he is left in during the 6th inning with 100 pitches, and the Red Sox tack on two more runs. Mismanagment of the Tigers pitching staff, may have elevated this number a bit.

 

Month of July stats: 7.20 ERA.

 

2004:

 

Faces the Red Sox on August 6th and August 27th. Goes 5.2 IP the first start and allows three runs. Throws 113 pitches, Red Sox score all their runs in the 6th inning. Mismanagment.

 

This goes on. Looking deeper, the Red Sox seemed to get Maroth when he was in a pitching slump, or got lucky because Alan Trammell did not know when to pull his starter.

 

Seriously, there are way too many explanations to just say that the Red Sox own Mike Maroth.

[redsoxrules]

Are you really this stupid? Do you take everything so literally? Do you have any deductive reasoning?

 

I am picking the Tigers to win this ballgame. That doesn't equate to me saying that the Tigers are an 100% lock.

 

actually when i talk to you , YES i do take everything literally , cause that's how you are , its a pain is the ass isn't it?

[TedWilliams101]

I'm not saying that Maroth is a terrible pitcher or even that he pitched terribly against the Red Sox. All I'm saying is that it is a fact that he got smacked around by the Red Sox. It doesn't matter if it all came in one inning because of mismanagement or if he was having a slump. It happened, the Red Sox were able to score runs against him. Period. Everything you just wrote are excuses, sure some might have substance, but they are excuses, they don't change the fact that the Red Sox have had success against Maroth. Now that doesn't mean they will have success against him tonight, and that is where sample sizes come into effect.

[CrespoBlows]

actually when i talk to you ' date=' YES i do take everything literally , cause that's how you are , its a pain is the ass isn't it?[/quote']

 

Seriously, you need to turn off the psychobabble.

[schillingouttheks]

And now there's another downpour...probably will stop in time for the game...then repeat.

[schillingouttheks]

Beckett will miss his next start against the Braves, but won't be DL'd because they want him to pitch against the Yanks early next week.

 

On a similar note, Smoltz will pitch through his finger injury against the Sox on Saturday.

 

Per Rotoworld.

[redsoxrules]

Seriously' date=' you need to turn off the psychobabble.[/quote']

 

seriously f*** off

[riverside sluggers]

Coming from Sean MacAdams, he notes that Terry told him it will most likely be a starter called up from Pawtucket. Kason Gabbard, not Devern Hansack, seems to be the top candidate

[schillingouttheks]

We're lucky that it was the Friday start. We have one of the Braves' scrub pitchers that day. Good thing we're not losing Wake or Matsuzaka against Smoltz and Hudson.

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah, Anthony Lerew is going Friday.

[CrespoBlows]

seriously f*** off

 

You asked the question, you got the response.

 

You don't like it? Don't ask the question.

[Cocos Disciples]

Really weird weather today. It was nice out until about 3, when the sky turned grey, end of the world type and it rained a bit. Stopped raining, got bright, now its pouring.

[riverside sluggers]

Im not that much confident about tonight's game but my optimism isnt dashed away that easily