Coco Crisp - How long should the leash be?

[TheKilo]

His been good defensively so far this year, but statistically he's a league average CF at best.

 

He can't get on base to utilize the one offensive advantage he has over Pena.

 

That being said, he plays the game very hard and clearly wants to succeed, I just think him getting consistent ABs right now is hurting the team. They aren't putting the best team out there that they can, and that's what I take issue with.

 

I just found that picture to be funny.

[seabeachfred]

His been good defensively so far this year, but statistically he's a league average CF at best.

 

He can't get on base to utilize the one offensive advantage he has over Pena.

 

That being said, he plays the game very hard and clearly wants to succeed, I just think him getting consistent ABs right now is hurting the team. They aren't putting the best team out there that they can, and that's what I take issue with.

 

I just found that picture to be funny.

 

Well your Pena is in RF in the second game. That may be good news for you but to me it is a disaster waiting to happen if any balls go out in his direction. Smoltz is going to be giving him nothing but sliders on the outside. I want to see WMP do well but this is a bad fit for him. Mirabelli catching? Well, we give Varitek a rest but in some ways without Drew and Youkalis in there it lookss to me like a bit of a throwaway lineup. Hopefully, we'll find a way to win this game. Good day so far; we won the first game and the Yankees lost again to the Mets. We will gain some ground no matter what happens in this game but a win would really make this day a doozy.

[Mr Crunchy]

theyre 10 up with crisp playing every day

why change anything?

if they insist on getting pena some playing time have him play right field where they shouldve had him penciled in for the season to begin with

[seabeachfred]

Crunch, between you talking up Crisp and our friend Kilo talking up Wily Mo I'm getting a good shot of whiplash. Look, Crisp hasn't been doing what he is supposed to be capable of doing. You know that, I know that, Kilo knows that. Hell, everybody knows that. Unfortunately, the only current alternative is Pena and just the thought of your suggestion that he play right field over Drew sends chills down my back. A word---he cannot play outfield at Yankee Stadium either. I saw that myself with my own eyes last Septemberl

At any rate, Crisp has to start stepping up big time and starting today would be a good time to do it. We cannot let the Yankees back in this race; if anything, we have to do all we can to put them away for the forseeable future. Tim. Curt and Julian have to have it all together and we have to back them with strong support. This is one of the Yankees' best chances of getting back into the thick of things and we will rue the day if we allow this to happen. We have to take care of them this series and that's that.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think Crunch is saying Crisp should be the CFer for the rest of the season, just that the sox are playing so well right now that you would be stupid to change anything. Everyone seems to want to tinker around with everything, but when you have a stretch where you go 30-13, you should take your fingers off the keyboard, sit back and relax.

[adam123]

I dont think Crunch is saying Crisp should be the CFer for the rest of the season' date=' just that the sox are playing so well right now that you would be stupid to change anything. Everyone seems to want to tinker around with everything, but when you have a stretch where you go 30-13, you should take your fingers off the keyboard, sit back and relax.[/quote']

 

Wow thats the best and most logical post all season way to go .

[Mr Crunchy]

i saw drew let a ball drop 2 feet in front of him yesterday

i saw drew allow a ball to fall 2 feet behind him yesterday as well

he missed 2 dheaders this week as well as another start

 

i dont like pena,not remotely

crisp is hitting ?.240 but has had some timely hits,runs the bases very well and has played cf without a hitch so far

he hits the yankees pretty well too

 

drew is on pace for another incomplete season

if the sox were 10 down rather up then they'd both be getting their balls beaten in by the fans and the press and deservedly so

 

i just think its ridiculous to tinker with this club as it stands today

if we must ??

then i would use pena in right instead of center as it appears drew needs as much rest as possible when he isnt feeling all that fresh and the midol isnt at hand...

 

its still boogles the mind why they gave this guy 70M

[adam123]

i saw drew let a ball drop 2 feet in front of him yesterday

i saw drew allow a ball to fall 2 feet behind him yesterday as well

he missed 2 dheaders this week as well as another start

 

i dont like pena,not remotely

crisp is hitting ?.240 but has had some timely hits,runs the bases very well and has played cf without a hitch so far

he hits the yankees pretty well too

 

drew is on pace for another incomplete season

if the sox were 10 down rather up then they'd both be getting their balls beaten in by the fans and the press and deservedly so

 

i just think its ridiculous to tinker with this club as it stands today

if we must ??

then i would use pena in right instead of center as it appears drew needs as much rest as possible when he isnt feeling all that fresh and the midol isnt at hand...

 

its still boogles the mind why they gave this guy 70M

 

 

Ya man I am right there with ya . Hell at this point we should have just re signed trot he would have been cheaper and we know he will get hurt but at least he will dive for balls and play hard . unlike jd drewy

[riverside sluggers]

"jd drewy"?

[yeszir]

"jd drewy"?

 

God help us all.

[Rdsxmbnt]

i saw drew let a ball drop 2 feet in front of him yesterday

i saw drew allow a ball to fall 2 feet behind him yesterday as well

he missed 2 dheaders this week as well as another start

 

i dont like pena,not remotely

crisp is hitting ?.240 but has had some timely hits,runs the bases very well and has played cf without a hitch so far

he hits the yankees pretty well too

 

drew is on pace for another incomplete season

if the sox were 10 down rather up then they'd both be getting their balls beaten in by the fans and the press and deservedly so

 

i just think its ridiculous to tinker with this club as it stands today

if we must ??

then i would use pena in right instead of center as it appears drew needs as much rest as possible when he isnt feeling all that fresh and the midol isnt at hand...

 

its still boogles the mind why they gave this guy 70M

 

I get the feeling your still longing for the days of Trot Nixon?

 

The season is 1/4 done, way too early throw Drew down the toilet. Our OF OPS stands at from LF to RF: .723 - .611 - .724

Do you expect Manny to finish the year with a .723 OPS? No I didnt think so

Do you expect Drew to finish the year with a .724 OPS? Probaly since your extremely biased even though Drew is a consistent .900 OPS hitter.

[adam123]

God help us all.

 

sorry guys the y was a typo ..

[CrespoBlows]

i saw drew let a ball drop 2 feet in front of him yesterday

i saw drew allow a ball to fall 2 feet behind him yesterday as well

he missed 2 dheaders this week as well as another start

 

i dont like pena,not remotely

crisp is hitting ?.240 but has had some timely hits,runs the bases very well and has played cf without a hitch so far

he hits the yankees pretty well too

 

drew is on pace for another incomplete season

if the sox were 10 down rather up then they'd both be getting their balls beaten in by the fans and the press and deservedly so

 

i just think its ridiculous to tinker with this club as it stands today

if we must ??

then i would use pena in right instead of center as it appears drew needs as much rest as possible when he isnt feeling all that fresh and the midol isnt at hand...

 

its still boogles the mind why they gave this guy 70M

 

I've refuted all of these points, yet this idiot continues to post the same stupid s***.

 

Enough. Please.

[TheKilo]

I'll give Coco credit - he got on base three times last night.

 

We'll just have to hope he turns it around, I just have zero faith in him to do so.

[Ray10]

Yeah I agree Coco needs to go he's just not what the Sox thought they were getting. I think maybe Ellesbury or Mccarthy out there would be a better fit.

[Ray10]

Yeah I agree Coco needs to go he's just not what the Sox thought they were getting. I think maybe Ellesbury out there would be a better fit.

[Mr Crunchy]

baylor u,right in the heart of waco,did they at least give you the options of iraq or prison??

i believe it was general longstreet who said

IF I OWNED HELL AND TEXAS I'D RENT TEXAS

crespo

how do you refute these points as hes hitting 238 and did indeed miss 5 games last week??

do you have some type of magic formula that refutes this too??

kindly go f*** yourself

stupid s***??

14M per for drew,care to refute this too??

we're on the hook for 56M more,if you like this contract you are a f***ing idiot

why should we believe he will do anything different than he has his entire career??

do you have a crystal ball??

1 year on 1 year off,thats his legacy since he became a pro

he f***ed over philly when he was drafted,he wasnt liked in st louis,atlanta let him walk away and the dodgers wanted no part of him and didnt blink an eye when he moved on.

the way hes going he can be the white carl everett,but that wont happen unless we eat his contract or a huge part of it at least.....nobody wanted this guy,nobody...

 

is it his love for his teamates or the charming fans in boston that will make him play when he's tired or feeling bloated or just not as fresh as he could??

get a grip sonny

it seems your parents are getting f***ed out of a lot of tuition money.

i hope you know more about math than baseball.

hes a career underachiever and has shall we say a questionable desire to play

nobody bid on this guy for a reason,the reason is you cant count on him and never really could.

its may 23d and hes slugging .333,.18 points higher than the banjo hitting crisp.

1 helluva a 5 hitter to protect manny eh?

and only 2M more than we're paying ortiz.......f***ing awesome dude

 

nobody will be happier than me if he plays 140 games with some pop but i tend to deal in reality and the reality is this is very unlikely.

 

crisp??

gets the huge insurance run based on nothing but speed and desire

beats out the double play ball,steals 2nd and scores the huge 5th run that pretty much iced the game..he puts a lot of pressue on defense and is a huge distraction for the opposing pitcher...

im not impressed with his bat,not at all but my expectations for him and drew were very far apart and although crisp has let us down hes still a better bargain than drew.

hes not hitting like hes capable for sure but he will help the club as speed never slumps

plus hes 10M per year cheaper than old jonathan david,the native georgian who came back east to play closer to home.....in boston,where he always dreamed of playing....

after stlouis and atlanta and los angeles of course

 

why change the things that arent broken??

we're 10.5 games up and are getting it done both with the muscle from 3-4-6 hitters

and the manufacturing aspects of our offense led by youk and the burners in lugo and crisp who both scored last nite.

 

you dont need a crystal ball to see who isnt contributing.

[CrespoBlows]

baylor u,right in the heart of waco,did they at least give you the options of iraq or prison??

i believe it was general longstreet who said

IF I OWNED HELL AND TEXAS I'D RENT TEXAS

 

 

I should update that. I looked at Baylor about a month ago. Looked around Waco. Changed my mind in 15 minutes.

 

crespo

how do you refute these points as hes hitting 238 and did indeed miss 5 games last week??

 

Sometimes players go into slumps. You heard of these? Trot went into them too. Oh, but his hat was dirty, so he gets a pass.

 

If J.D. Drew isn't hitting at least .275 by the end of the year, I will break a beer bottle over the head.

 

This guy's career EQA (OH NO! A MATH FORMULA) is over .300.

 

That's better than Ichiro's.

 

Better than Andruw Jones. (Who makes Wily Mo Pena look like Juan Pierre in terms of contact)

 

Better than Torii Hunter.

 

Oh, but they have grit. Which is equal to about 1000 extra runs. If we had Trot, too! We'd out grit everyone. Plus, Erstad! And Eckstein!

 

stupid s***??

14M per for drew,care to refute this too??

we're on the hook for 56M more,if you like this contract you are a f***ing idiot

 

$14 M per Drew.

 

That will be less than the committment for Torii Hunter.

 

Less than the committment for Andruw Jones.

 

Less than the committment for Ichiro.

 

I believe you want to sign all of them over J.D Drew. Even though, Drew has the advantage in every statistical category. (EQA, OBP, OPS+)

 

Oh, but he doesn't dive for flyballs.

 

Or have a dirty white hat.

 

Or was a Punter at Nebraska.

 

why should we believe he will do anything different than he has his entire career??

do you have a crystal ball??

 

I'm going to take this statement literally.

 

Career OBP - .391

 

Career SLG% - .504

 

he f***ed over philly when he was drafted,he wasnt liked in st louis,atlanta let him walk away and the dodgers wanted no part of him and didnt blink an eye when he moved on.

 

 

Why do you hate George W. so much. You would get along. You both have the problem of misleading people.

 

From the Atlanta Braves, J.D Drew took $4.2 million in 2004. The Dodgers offered him $11 million annually. The Braves couldn't hope to match that offer. They wanted him back. Do you know why?

 

Because he was the best player on that team, by a longshot.

 

Atlanta Braves 2004 OPS+

 

114

109

112

117

96

110

113

158

112

59

80

129

65

81

53

5

7

111

 

The Dodgers didn't blink an eye? You mean other than bitching for a month about tampering?

 

Colletti : "We don't like J.D Drew."

 

Sportscaster : "Well, he just opted out and signed with the Red Sox."

 

Colletti : "What the f***? Why did he opt out? This is tampering."

 

Doesn't sound like they hated J.D Drew that much. Is it the dementia kicking in? Or are you really this bad at rationalization?

 

the way hes going he can be the white carl everett,but that wont happen unless we eat his contract or a huge part of it at least.....nobody wanted this guy,nobody...

 

The white Carl Everett? C'mon. Seriously.

 

hes a career underachiever and has shall we say a questionable desire to play

 

Career OBP - .391

 

Career SLG% - .504

 

Oh, f*** him to hell.

 

nobody bid on this guy for a reason,the reason is you cant count on him and never really could.

 

 

Maybe because the Red Sox had offered him $70 million already? Who were the other suitors realistically?

 

its may 23d and hes slugging .333,.18 points higher than the banjo hitting crisp.

1 helluva a 5 hitter to protect manny eh?

and only 2M more than we're paying ortiz.......f***ing awesome dude

 

why should we believe he will do anything different than he has his entire career??

do you have a crystal ball??

 

Your quote.

 

Career OBP - .391

 

Career SLG% - .504

 

 

crisp??

gets the huge insurance run based on nothing but speed and desire

 

Nothing but?

 

I'm sure Lugo had to get a hit, to score him. Oh, and Youkilis' double to score Lugo. And Ortiz single to score Youkilis.

 

But that was the big one. Not the fact that our chances of winning went up much higher when Youkilis crossed the plate.

 

he puts a lot of pressue on defense and is a huge distraction for the opposing pitcher...

 

Are you kidding? Opposing pitchers love this guy.

 

He gets on base 29% of the time. Huge distraction.

 

im not impressed with his bat,not at all but my expectations for him and drew were very far apart and although crisp has let us down hes still a better bargain than drew.

 

With each players current stats:

 

A team of Coco Crisp's would score 481.14 runs

 

A team of J.D Drew's would score 648 runs.

 

So 9 J.D Drew's score 166.86 more runs than Team Crisp. That's probably worth about 16 additional wins.

 

In a micro sense:

 

J.D Drew has created .4 runs a game this year. Multiply that by 162, and you get 64.8. Not very good, but still substantially better than the 48.1 runs out of Crisp. Drew is worth about two more wins over the course of the season.

 

This assumes that Drew will continue to hit this poorly, and Crisp will resemble Mario Mendoza. We know one assumption will be true. So expect that gap to widen.

 

 

why change the things that arent broken??

we're 10.5 games up and are getting it done both with the muscle from 3-4-6 hitters

and the manufacturing aspects of our offense led by youk and the burners in lugo and crisp who both scored last nite.

 

Why change things? Because if you put Wily Mo Pena into the lineup, the Red Sox would be a better team. It's that simple.

 

 

you dont need a crystal ball to see who isnt contributing.

[ksushi]

Awesome post, sir.

 

J.D. Drew is coming over from the NL, a career NL guy. He is going to have to make some adjustments. Think of it like a rookie pitcher going through the lineup for the second time. The team makes adjustments, and start to hit him a little better, like the braves against gabbard. No hits in the first four, then they started to get to him a little bit after seeing him. Let him get one tour through the AL under his belt, and lets see what he does after that. He'll be good, he has the talent to be an All-Star every year of this contract... not to mention, how good do you feel when you see the ball hit to right field? If Drew can't get to it, I feel pretty safe in saying it wasn't a catchable ball.

[Mr Crunchy]

wow

410 footer that ended the game...wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeew

good 1 to win

anyways

id love to see drew play enuff to make a different judgement or specualtion but at this point i can only comment on what i see

a player who has been treated like a diva since he was drafted and has always been plagued by injuries that have not only limited his playing time but also effected his performance..

he came in tonite hitting .228?? with most of his ab's in the 5 hole behind the best 3/4 combo maybe ever,certainly in the last 40 years as well as in front of lowell who is ripping the cover off the ball..

he was put in a position to succeed like nobody else and hasnt come close to living up to what we needed and what we expected of him.

he may indeed come back and have a great 4 months,he hasnt heard the wrath as of yet cause we're playing .700 ball and winning stops whining.

the issue that i and many of the nation fear is his commitment to team ball

manny always got a pass,right or wrong

petey buried 5 sets of grandparents in his 7 years here but he was also given a pass perhaps cause he was the best pitcher ever to grace fenway park

drew hasnt earned that type of love

in fact i think the masses expected him to prove all the experts and naysayers wrong

by playing balls to the wall on each and every play

we havent gotten that effort

after missing 5 games last week with his banged up back he got another day off against the yanks despite hitting 6/14 against pettite and our guys playing 2 dh's in 4? days.

the anti johnny damon if you will.

i was never a nixon guy,i was livid after they traded jay payton who proceeded to have better #s than nixon in 60% of the starts playing in the pitchers park in oakland.

that said

i was told by a friend who played with him in pawtucket that he was the tuffest guy in the system,100% fearless and a great teamate to have.

that game in tampa when he ""lost control"" of the bat was priceless

i understand the need to upgrade and to move forward

what i dont understand is them getting a guy with luggage for huge coin as we have pena rotting on the bench with hinske and a future stud in ellsbury

and

a huge market opening up for outfielders next fall.

 

from the #s drew has posted in his career and what i see of him so far hes much better suited as a 2 hitter with his high obp a little speed and his patience.

the 5 spot isnt really for him at this point until he starts driving the ball with consistancy.

youk and lowell are ablaze

they deserve the oppurtunity to hit in that slot till drew gets his s*** together

3bbs is a good nite in my opinion but he isnt doing anything to support manny hitting .227 and slugging .313

 

33-15 with some guys not hitting like theyre capable is a good thing

i dont think anyone or anything should be f***ed with outside the occasional days off and batting order juggling.

 

its a good thing to be a sox fan this memorial day weekend