ROCKET LANDS IN THE BRONX

[jacksonianmarch]

the only thing our money advantage helps us to do is to increase our recovery from mistakes. If you are the Pirates and you make a 40 mil mistake, it kills you for those yrs. If you are the yankees and you make a 40 mil mistake, you shrug it off. With the way the league is configured and with the way the draft pick system works, the worse teams can get better. This is more a problem with the s***** teams not trying to keep their own and less a problem of the big guys eating it up. Look at the FA classes. They have sucked 2 yrs in a row because lower level teams have been able to start keeping their own.

[Gom]

Are you a fan of baseball' date=' or are you a fan of the Yankees? For me it's baseball first, Sox are who a root for.[/quote']

 

Not sure. Both. However, my loyalties run to my team, and I am not ashamed to say that if my team has an advantage, they should use it.

 

I'll be honest, the more I think about it, the more I think I am more a fan of the Yankees than baseball. If the Pirates are playing the Marlins, I would rather watch a movie than the game. That does not hold true for when the Yankees are playing.

 

This isn't to say that I don't like baseball, which obviously isn't the case. I just enjoy my team having an advantage since that advantage translates into wins, more often than not.

 

The question remains however. For once, you can't be wrong ORS, since this is an opinion. Considering who you root for, do you WANT a level playing field? That would have meant no Matsuzaka, no Drew, maybe Lugo.

 

I wish others would pipe in here. How do you really feel PERSONALLY about baseball's economic system? Realize that you are #2 on the list, and if it became equal, you would be grouped among 20 teams right down the middle.

[Gom]

the only thing our money advantage helps us to do is to increase our recovery from mistakes. If you are the Pirates and you make a 40 mil mistake' date=' it kills you for those yrs. If you are the yankees and you make a 40 mil mistake, you shrug it off. With the way the league is configured and with the way the draft pick system works, the worse teams can get better. This is more a problem with the s***** teams not trying to keep their own and less a problem of the big guys eating it up. Look at the FA classes. They have sucked 2 yrs in a row because lower level teams have been able to start keeping their own.[/quote']

 

Jacks, get with the program. We have established the fact that the Yankees and Sox have the fiscal advantage. The question is, do you care?

[ORS]

They have sucked 2 yrs in a row because lower level teams have been able to start keeping their own.

Gee, and revenue sharing got revamped not too long ago also. Imagine that?

[Gom]

ORS, we realize that you would rather see a hard cap in baseball and all teams have the same revenue and resources.

 

How about some others? Considering who you root for, do you like baseball's system or not?

[ORS]

Not sure. Both. However, my loyalties run to my team, and I am not ashamed to say that if my team has an advantage, they should use it.

 

I'll be honest, the more I think about it, the more I think I am more a fan of the Yankees than baseball. If the Pirates are playing the Marlins, I would rather watch a movie than the game. That does not hold true for when the Yankees are playing.

 

This isn't to say that I don't like baseball, which obviously isn't the case. I just enjoy my team having an advantage since that advantage translates into wins, more often than not.

 

The question remains however. For once, you can't be wrong ORS, since this is an opinion. Considering who you root for, do you WANT a level playing field? That would have meant no Matsuzaka, no Drew, maybe Lugo.

 

I wish others would pipe in here. How do you really feel PERSONALLY about baseball's economic system? Realize that you are #2 on the list, and if it became equal, you would be grouped among 20 teams right down the middle.

I know I'm in the minority when you poll the fans from these two teams, but I do want a level playing field, even if that means my team needs to get smarter re: player evaluation. A cap won't entirely kill their advantage either. They'll be able to flex their muscle by having the best scouts, player development programs, and getting hard signs in the draft because those don't go into the LT considerations now and I'm OK omitting them moving forward. It's also important that if revenue sharing is occur at greater levels, then a hard floor needs to be established so that crooks aren't just pocketing it like some do now.

[Gom]

I know I'm in the minority when you poll the fans from these two teams' date=' but I do want a level playing field, even if that means my team needs to get smarter re: player evaluation. A cap won't entirely kill their advantage either. They'll be able to flex their muscle by having the best scouts, player development programs, and getting hard signs in the draft because those don't go into the LT considerations now and I'm OK omitting them moving forward. It's also important that if revenue sharing is occur at greater levels, then a hard floor needs to be established so that crooks aren't just pocketing it like some do now.[/quote']

 

I believe you are in the minority, and I actually applaud you for it. I'm not. I'm greedy, like my team. Like our teams.

 

It's just that this whole money thing that has everyone up in an uproar from big market areas is nothing more than media hype. For most fans of the Red Sox, Yankees, Dodgers, Cubs, etc., be careful what you ask for.

[rician blast]

Realize, with your money advantage, you only have to outsmart one team, albeit that team has an advantage.

 

Acknowledgement. Good for you GOM.

[Gom]

Acknowledgement. Good for you GOM.

 

I have never, ever stated that my team doesn't have an advantage. However, I find it hysterical that Boston fans complain when you guys do it 28 other teams.

 

I must say, the only one who responded that he liked or disliked this current system is ORS. I'm surprised that no one else has responded to the question.

[schillingouttheks]

I must say' date=' the only one who responded that he liked or disliked this current system is ORS. I'm surprised that no one else has responded to the question.[/quote']

 

Ok then. I don't give a s*** if my team spends a lot. I want them to spend a lot to give them the best chance possible of winning. All I ask is that they be smart with it. If you have the resources, spend away.

 

I don't really give a s*** about the system. I just want them to be as smart as possible with the resources that they have.

[Gom]

Ok, so we have 1 for, and 1 against. I think three others are just pissed at the Yankees. That's about par for this board.

[CrespoBlows]

For a salary cap, as long as a salary floor is established.

[rician blast]

I'm a bit torn on this one. It's nice having a team that is willing to outspend 28 other teams, it absolutley positions them to be in the playoff hunt most years.

 

Then again, one must remember that the Sox spending is neccessitated to a large degree by the spending of a divisional rival who is going to outspend you by 40% (in a year following big Sox spending) or, possibly much more, as we've seen in prior years.

 

Selfishly, I'd like to see a cap...somewhere in the neighborhood of $145m or so.

[Gom]

I'm a bit torn on this one. It's nice having a team that is willing to outspend 28 other teams, it absolutley positions them to be in the playoff hunt most years.

 

Then again, one must remember that the Sox spending is neccessitated to a large degree by the spending of a divisional rival who is going to outspend you by 40% (in a year following big Sox spending) or, possibly much more, as we've seen in prior years.

 

Selfishly, I'd like to see a cap...somewhere in the neighborhood of $145m or so.

 

Not fair, Rician. Your cap is where your payroll is. The real cap should be the average, which is somewhere around 70 million [i'm guessing]. Imagine all the players you would have to cut. Picking a cap where your payroll is currently at is cheating. That's like me saying the cap is 230 million. Come on, you're better than that.

[Mr Crunchy]

a cap is needed for the games long term health

it will hurt the sox but it has to get done

the fact that the yanks gave clemens more money than the tampa bay payroll speaks for itself

[rician blast]

Not fair' date=' Rician. Your cap is where your payroll is. [/quote']

 

GOM, you made the connection (cap to Sox payroll) but missed my sarcasm...obviously I said set it at $145 because that IS the Sox payroll. That part of my comment was plain humor.

 

IMO, the truth is a cap and a floor are necessary if (1) any parity is ever going to be achieved and (2) for the LT financial viability of MLB. How that cap is determined I don't know exactly.

[ORS]

Per USAToday salary database figures, the league average is $82M, with a standard deviation of $33M. Making the cap/floor within one standard deviation would set the range at $49M - $115M. That would bring the two big spenders down, and make the DRays, Marlins, Nats, and Pirates spend a little coin. I can live with that.

[inkman]

Per USAToday salary database figures' date=' the league average is $82M, with a standard deviation of $33M. Making the cap/floor within one standard deviation would set the range at $49M - $115M. That would bring the two big spenders down, and make the DRays, Marlins, Nats, and Pirates spend a little coin. I can live with that.[/quote']

 

A disparity of $66 million still seems a bit much but I suppose it's better that the $180 million difference that currently exists.

 

Also, some sort of grandfather clause for the teams that are over. Only permit them to sign players to a minimum contract or something of that nature.

[ORS]

Of course, a grandfather clause until everyone was within the cap would be necessary. And, I agree, that discrepancy would be a little larger than I'd like. Maybe something like the mean + or - 25%?

[adam123]

Rockets a chode .have fun roger not making the playoffs .

[TheKilo]

Getting back on topic...how much is Clemens going to be a mentor?

 

http://www.denverpost.com/rockies/ci_5850201

 

"I had hoped that he would be kind of a mentor. But when I got there, and I don't want to talk bad about him, he was pretty much nonexistent in terms of his presence in the clubhouse," Hirsh said. "You like to believe that nobody is above the game, and the kind of stuff he's granted, it almost seems like he is. But he earned that leeway, and clearly what he did away from the ballpark was beneficial on the days he pitched."

[schillingouttheks]

Rockets a chode .have fun roger not making the playoffs .

 

Thanks for your input.

[a700hitter]

Good article about the Rocket:

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spwally105206509may10,0,2710104.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines

[BSN07]

Good article about the Rocket:

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-spwally105206509may10,0,2710104.column?coll=ny-sports-headlines

 

Good article, of course all Yankees fans will will see this as blasphmey...

[ryanromine]

The truth hurts! That article was well written!

[He Hate Me]

Farnsworth telling it like it is.

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/05/17/bc.bba.yankees.farnsworth.ap/index.html

 

Farnsworth doesn't like Rocket rule

Yankees reliever says all teammates should be at park

Posted: Thursday May 17, 2007 8:45PM; Updated: Thursday May 17, 2007 11:23PM

 

CHICAGO (AP) -- New York reliever Kyle Farnsworth thinks no one on the Yankees, not even Roger Clemens, should be allowed to leave the team when they aren't pitching.

 

Farnsworth was on Chicago's 670 AM The Score on Thursday morning when he first criticized the so-called "family plan" clause in Clemens' one-year, $28 million contract that allows the right-hander to leave the team for personal matters when he's not pitching.

 

Farnsworth reiterated his beliefs in the clubhouse before the Yankees' 4-1 loss to the White Sox.

 

"As far as a teammate and a player, I think everybody should be here whether they're pitching or not," he said. "You don't see guys who are hurt not sit on the bench. They're always there."

 

Even so, Farnsworth doesn't think it's going to be a problem and didn't foresee any clubhouse tension over preferential treatment for one of the game's greatest pitchers.

 

"It's just an opinion of mine. I don't think it's a concern at all," he said. "You guys asked my opinion about it and I gave it."

 

The 44-year-old Clemens could join the Yankees rotation against the Blue Jays on May 28 or 29 or at Boston on June 2 or 3.

 

"Whether it's going to cause a problem, we'll see," Farnsworth said. "I don't think it will. We're all professionals here and we know how to go about our jobs. As far as friction, he's going to be here to help this team win. That's the only thing that everybody is worried about."

[Optimist]

When Farnsworth starts doing his job, I'll care about how he feels about how other people do their jobs.

[rician blast]

f***in' media circus is what this is.

 

The guy hardly said anything, even provided a disclaimer saying "You guys asked my opinion about it and I gave it," and went on to say it wouldn't be a problem, they all care about winning foremost.

 

Perhaps the media AND FAN focus should be on the fact that the $200m+ Yankees are underachieving to epic proportions, as opposed to focusing on blowing one guy's fairly innocuous comments out of proportion.

[adam123]

Like anyone listens to farnsworth

[TheKilo]

The past meets the future:

 

TEXAS SHOWDOWN: Roger Clemens has told various media outlets that he will start against

the Sea Dogs on Wednesday night in Trenton…RHP Clay Buchholz, a native of Lumberton,

Texas will face Clemens who resides in Houston, TX (97 miles from Lumberton).

 

http://www.portlandseadogs.com/gamenotes/gamenotes.pdf