Cora to get more playing time?

[TGov]

I just dont think the kid is ready . I really think we made a mistake to not bring back loretta for 1 season . He was solid all season . I like pedria but just think he needs lil more seasoning in AAA

 

I agree with you, I think we should have brought Loretta back for one year and have Pedroia slowly move into the 2nd baseman's role through the season...

[adam123]

I really think we did Loretta wrong . He just wanted one yr deal for 1 mill .we did not even talk to him during off season

[CrespoBlows]

any one see alex gonzales ripping it up hitting 355 with reds .damm i want him back

 

Do you expect that success to last?

[adam123]

He really played hard and come on our infield defense was probably the best in like 20 yrs

[CrespoBlows]

I really think we did Loretta wrong . He just wanted one yr deal for 1 mill .we did not even talk to him during off season

 

There's a reason he wanted only $1 million. Do you know what that reason is?

[adam123]

Do you expect that success to last?[/QUOT

 

doubt it but wow 355 i dont think he ever had average that high here . Boy he was a stud in the field him and lowell got robbed of gold glove

[adam123]

There's a reason he wanted only $1 million. Do you know what that reason is?

 

come on you think dustins better ? I like the guy but loretta was way more consistant

[CrespoBlows]

He really played hard

 

Don't really care. The majority of players do play hard.

 

Alex Gonzalez OPS'd under .700. I don't give a s*** if he was TUFF N GRITTY, he still was a black hole hitter.

 

and come on our infield defense was probably the best in like 20 yrs

 

# YEAR TEAM LG PA AB H BB SO HBP HR ROE DEF_EFF 
1. 2006 SDN NL 6,175 5,557 1,385 468 1,097 50 176 49 0.718 
2. 2006 DET AL 6,145 5,535 1,420 489 1,003 53 160 63 0.712 
3. 2006 NYN NL 6,240 5,531 1,402 527 1,161 62 180 56 0.708 
4. 2006 NYA AL 6,215 5,590 1,463 496 1,019 59 170 71 0.706 
5. 2006 HOU NL 6,219 5,572 1,425 480 1,160 54 182 55 0.706 
6. 2006 CHN NL 6,366 5,484 1,396 687 1,250 67 210 55 0.705 
7. 2006 SFN NL 6,225 5,449 1,422 584 992 70 153 55 0.705 
8. 2006 TOR AL 6,151 5,532 1,447 504 1,076 59 185 65 0.705 
9. 2006 SLN NL 6,196 5,496 1,475 504 970 80 193 65 0.704 
10. 2006 ANA AL 6,149 5,541 1,410 471 1,164 50 158 76 0.703 
11. 2006 CHA AL 6,232 5,664 1,534 433 1,012 58 200 51 0.700 
12. 2006 WAS NL 6,424 5,602 1,535 584 960 92 193 74 0.698 
13. 2006 SEA AL 6,294 5,611 1,500 560 1,067 53 183 59 0.698 
14. 2006 MIL NL 6,210 5,494 1,454 514 1,145 74 177 67 0.694 
15. 2006 OAK AL 6,279 5,614 1,525 529 1,003 55 162 44 0.694 
16. 2006 FLO NL 6,294 5,490 1,465 622 1,088 74 166 66 0.693 
17. 2006 ARI NL 6,341 5,634 1,503 536 1,115 61 168 70 0.693 
18. 2006 ATL NL 6,350 5,600 1,529 572 1,049 55 183 61 0.692 
19. 2006 MIN AL 6,066 5,586 1,490 356 1,164 36 182 50 0.692 
20. 2006 LAN NL 6,289 5,655 1,524 492 1,068 41 152 74 0.691 
21. 2006 CIN NL 6,319 5,671 1,576 464 1,053 60 213 78 0.691 
22. 2006 COL NL 6,318 5,600 1,549 553 952 66 155 58 0.690 
23. 2006 PHI NL 6,366 5,677 1,561 512 1,138 62 211 64 0.688 
24. 2006 TEX AL 6,237 5,601 1,557 496 972 66 162 57 0.688 
25. 2006 CLE AL 6,190 5,618 1,582 429 948 51 166 76 0.686 
26. 2006 BAL AL 6,327 5,560 1,579 613 1,016 48 216 55 0.685 
27. 2006 BOS AL 6,292 5,637 1,570 509 1,070 68 181 39 0.683 
28. 2006 KCA AL 6,434 5,636 1,648 637 904 60 213 60 0.682 
29. 2006 TBA AL 6,374 5,597 1,600 606 979 63 180 73 0.680 
30. 2006 PIT NL 6,354 5,507 1,545 620 1,060 70 156 59 0.676 

 

The Red Sox were 27th in converting balls put into play into outs. They were not a good defensive team.

[CrespoBlows]

come on you think dustins better ? I like the guy but loretta was way more consistant

 

Dustin Pedroia has the potential to be better. He's been extremely unlucky due to the fact that his BABIP is .192. He's had some hard hit balls, they just aren't finding holes. In AAA for example his BABIP was .317, and he happened to hit .305.

 

He probably can get his average up around .290.

[CrespoBlows]

doubt it but wow 355 i dont think he ever had average that high here

 

Again, there's a reason for it.

 

and lowell got robbed of gold glove

 

Unrelated.

[BoSox21]

I think Gonzo's average peaked at .290 here. Him and Cora were hovering around .200 for the beginning part of the year

[riverside sluggers]

News Flash to who? we all know he's not hitting... but how do you expect him to get out of his no hitting slump' date=' he's gotta fight his way out of it by getting more ABs...[/quote']

 

He wont get more ABs with Tito playing Cora every other day. How is Pedroia able to get into an actual groove now if he's playing inconsistently? He might have better chance of getting playing time in Pawtucket

 

And Adam, Pedroia hasnt shown much early on in offense comparable to Loretta, but he definitely has shown the better defense.

[example1]

Don't really care. The majority of players do play hard.

 

Alex Gonzalez OPS'd under .700. I don't give a s*** if he was TUFF N GRITTY, he still was a black hole hitter.

 

 

 

# YEAR TEAM LG PA AB H BB SO HBP HR ROE DEF_EFF 
1. 2006 SDN NL 6,175 5,557 1,385 468 1,097 50 176 49 0.718 
2. 2006 DET AL 6,145 5,535 1,420 489 1,003 53 160 63 0.712 
3. 2006 NYN NL 6,240 5,531 1,402 527 1,161 62 180 56 0.708 
4. 2006 NYA AL 6,215 5,590 1,463 496 1,019 59 170 71 0.706 
5. 2006 HOU NL 6,219 5,572 1,425 480 1,160 54 182 55 0.706 
6. 2006 CHN NL 6,366 5,484 1,396 687 1,250 67 210 55 0.705 
7. 2006 SFN NL 6,225 5,449 1,422 584 992 70 153 55 0.705 
8. 2006 TOR AL 6,151 5,532 1,447 504 1,076 59 185 65 0.705 
9. 2006 SLN NL 6,196 5,496 1,475 504 970 80 193 65 0.704 
10. 2006 ANA AL 6,149 5,541 1,410 471 1,164 50 158 76 0.703 
11. 2006 CHA AL 6,232 5,664 1,534 433 1,012 58 200 51 0.700 
12. 2006 WAS NL 6,424 5,602 1,535 584 960 92 193 74 0.698 
13. 2006 SEA AL 6,294 5,611 1,500 560 1,067 53 183 59 0.698 
14. 2006 MIL NL 6,210 5,494 1,454 514 1,145 74 177 67 0.694 
15. 2006 OAK AL 6,279 5,614 1,525 529 1,003 55 162 44 0.694 
16. 2006 FLO NL 6,294 5,490 1,465 622 1,088 74 166 66 0.693 
17. 2006 ARI NL 6,341 5,634 1,503 536 1,115 61 168 70 0.693 
18. 2006 ATL NL 6,350 5,600 1,529 572 1,049 55 183 61 0.692 
19. 2006 MIN AL 6,066 5,586 1,490 356 1,164 36 182 50 0.692 
20. 2006 LAN NL 6,289 5,655 1,524 492 1,068 41 152 74 0.691 
21. 2006 CIN NL 6,319 5,671 1,576 464 1,053 60 213 78 0.691 
22. 2006 COL NL 6,318 5,600 1,549 553 952 66 155 58 0.690 
23. 2006 PHI NL 6,366 5,677 1,561 512 1,138 62 211 64 0.688 
24. 2006 TEX AL 6,237 5,601 1,557 496 972 66 162 57 0.688 
25. 2006 CLE AL 6,190 5,618 1,582 429 948 51 166 76 0.686 
26. 2006 BAL AL 6,327 5,560 1,579 613 1,016 48 216 55 0.685 
27. 2006 BOS AL 6,292 5,637 1,570 509 1,070 68 181 39 0.683 
28. 2006 KCA AL 6,434 5,636 1,648 637 904 60 213 60 0.682 
29. 2006 TBA AL 6,374 5,597 1,600 606 979 63 180 73 0.680 
30. 2006 PIT NL 6,354 5,507 1,545 620 1,060 70 156 59 0.676 

 

The Red Sox were 27th in converting balls put into play into outs. They were not a good defensive team.

 

This is just an attempt to sound smart, right? To say they weren't the BEST would be fine, but to say they weren't a good defensive team is just inaccurate. I mean, stats are nice when you can't watch every game. I watched every game and so did many others. They were a good defensive team, or at the very least, they had a good left side of the infield to be sure.

 

do I want A-Gone back? No. Do I want Loretta instead of Pedroia? No.

[MANNYHOF24]

 

The Red Sox were 27th in converting balls put into play into outs. They were not a good defensive team.

 

Isn't this also due to the fact that there pitching was horrible, and they had a lot of balls put in play, that were uncatchable? I don't really know what I'm talking about here but after watching most every game their defense was pretty solid.

[redsoxrules]

 

 

 

The Red Sox were 27th in converting balls put into play into outs. They were not a good defensive team.

 

yeah cause their pitching sucked....

 

look at this year ,redsox are 7th in that category so far this year , thats with lowell with 8 errors

[BoSox21]

didn't we have one of the top fielding % in the league?

[CrespoBlows]

yeah cause their pitching sucked....

 

 

Not that big of an impact. Give it up.

 

The Cubs finished 7th in DEF, and they were 24th in ERA.

 

Minnesota finished 19th, yet 3rd in ERA.

 

Nationals 30th in ERA, 12th in DEF.

 

San Francisco 7th in ERA, 22nd in DEF.

 

Milwaukee 25th in ERA, 14th in DEF.

 

For you to say that's definite cause, is far-fetched. If what you were saying was true, there wouldn't be this weird of a correlation.

 

look at this year ,redsox are 7th in that category so far this year , thats with lowell with 8 errors

 

Look at who they added.

 

Lugo, more range.

 

Pedroia, more range.

 

Drew, a lot more range.

 

Crisp is also playing a lot better this year in CF as well.

 

Plus, it's only been 22 games? Too small of a sample size.

 

This is just an attempt to sound smart, right? To say they weren't the BEST would be fine, but to say they weren't a good defensive team is just inaccurate.

 

They were great at catching the baseball, but not very good at going to get the baseball. I think you can admit that. Loretta, didn't have a lot of range. Gonzalez who has one the best gloves in baseball, has average range at best. Coco was terrible last year, Manny was well below average, so was Pena. It's not a huge coincidence that the Red Sox were rated this low.

 

They were a good defensive team, or at the very least, they had a good left side of the infield to be sure.

 

You'd admit that the Red Sox OF was pretty bad on defense last year?

 

didn't we have one of the top fielding % in the league?

 

Bad stat to use.

[redsoxrules]

pedroia has more range does he ? is that why his RF is 3.38?

 

Lugo isnt a upgrade over gonzo

Pedroia ? 3.38 rf so far

 

drew isn't that big of an upgrade

 

Crisp is playing the same defense as last year

 

overall id say the defense is pretty even from last year to this year

[CrespoBlows]

pedroia has more range does he ? is that why his RF is 3.38?

 

Red Sox starting five GO/AO:

 

Schilling: .60

Beckett: 1.04

Matsuzaka: 1.06

Wakefield: .72

Tavarez: 3.20 (Pedroia's been in just three of his starts)

 

So you have two neutral pitchers, two flyball heavy pitchers, and one GB pitcher who might throw 5 innings at the most.

 

You can't get to a lot of balls if you don't have a lot of chances.

 

Besides, Pedroia has been probably a little below average this year, which is still an upgrade over Mark Loretta.

 

Loretta scored a -9 FRAA

Pedroia scored a -1 FRAA so far.

 

 

 

 

Lugo isnt a upgrade over gonzo

 

With the glove? No.

 

In terms of range? Yes.

 

Pedroia ? 3.38 rf so far

 

Small sample size, and with the fly ball tendencies of the Red Sox pitchers, we know why that that number is that low.

 

drew isn't that big of an upgrade

 

He scored a +12 last year in the field. Nixon scored a +6, and Pena scored a -1.

 

Crisp is playing the same defense as last year

overall id say the defense is pretty even from last year to this year

 

Why? Because you think that Crisp is playing the same? Last year, Crisp looked lost in CF, he's playing a much better CF this year. Probably about average, but it's still much better than last year's Iron Glove performance.

[a700hitter]

why? because of what he's done in the majors? did you know the great' date=' heralded rookie Alex Gordon is hitting .167?[/quote']No, because he has average skills, and even the scouting reports do not project him to be a star. His upside is average.