April 27th @ New York

[kyahbean]

No' date=' Donnelly can throw further.[/quote']

 

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[Youk Of The Nation]

I dont get NESN here at my friend's apartment...why is he pissed?

[mtbykr]

Anyone watching on NESN' date=' Jerry Remy is getting pissed at Vizcaino, it's funny[/quote']

 

What's he saying? I can't see it as I'm on MLBTV and it's the yankee "my 9" feed (insert puking smiley)

[ORS]

For fielding stats' date=' unless you are an infielder, I don't look to much into them. You have to actually watch them play. Spectacular plays don't show up in stats. Coco has the range and glove to make spectacular plays while Pena doesn't. And for errors sake, Crisp has a lifetime .990 fielding percentage, while WMP has a .974 fielding percentage and a .985% in CF.[/quote']

Spectacular plays shouldn't show up in the stats. An out is an out. Why should I care if one guy had to dive while another got there in routine fashion? Bail faster.

[example1]

How the f*** did he get a hit against the shift? Damn.

[CrespoBlows]

For fielding stats' date=' unless you are an infielder, I don't look to much into them.[/quote']

 

I would usually buy this, but since you have been disproven, you're probably looking to save face.

 

Some stats rating players:

 

Ozzie Smith - +272 FRAA

Willie Mays - +112 FRAA

Roberto Clemente - +109 FRAA

 

Oh, and Wily Mo Pena (RF)

 

2004: -9

2005: -2

2006: -1

 

It seems to be accurate most of the time.

 

You have to actually watch them play.

 

You can't possibly watch every inning, every play, of Coco Crisp's performance. We use stats to help us out. They are a measure of performance.

 

Spectacular plays don't show up in stats.

 

This is so f***ing stupid.

 

If Coco Crisp is such an amazing fielder, why does every fielding metric have him as below average in CF? He's a great LF, but he's not a good CF. It's really that simple. I mean, even watching the guy play, he makes bad reads, doesn't have ANY arm, and throws with little accuracy. Even your dumbass can admit that.

 

 

Coco has the range and glove to make spectacular plays while Pena doesn't.

 

David Eckstein makes great plays, and I'm pretty sure Wes Helms has too, but you don't rate a player on making great plays.

 

 

And for errors sake, Crisp has a lifetime .990 fielding percentage, while WMP has a .974 fielding percentage and a .985% in CF.

 

You don't want us to use stats, yet you use one right here?

 

It also happens to be the worst stat to use for a fielder.

[ORS]

Good smahts from the Jeemer.

[kyahbean]

I want a bright red baseball glove. Mine seems all boring now.

[Papelbon58]

I was at a restaurant with NESN, but now I'm stuck here listening to these crappy Yank radio announcers.

[example1]

Spectacular plays shouldn't show up in the stats. An out is an out. Why should I care if one guy had to dive while another got there in routine fashion? Bail faster.

 

Ummm, Coco uses a nicer glove?? :dunno:

 

Diving catches mean nothing.

 

Anyone remember the play last year where, if i remember correctly, Coco basically climbed the wall for a ball that landed 20 feet away on the warning track? I believe that lost the game.

 

I think they are both prone to bad mistakes. I think Crisp is more likely to make up for them with a spectacular play, and come out even (if you're thinking hockey-type +/-). Again, though, neither is a true CF and only one of them has the power for a corner OF position.

 

In CF I would want Coco, everywhere else I want Pena.

[kyahbean]

I was at a restaurant with NESN' date=' but now I'm stuck here listening to these crappy Yank radio announcers.[/quote']

 

I really cannot stand the Yank announcers. Living in New York, I usually have to watch YESHD when they play the Sox...but luckily MLB Extra Innings is showing the NESN game tonight.

[mtbykr]

Spectacular plays shouldn't show up in the stats. An out is an out. Why should I care if one guy had to dive while another got there in routine fashion? Bail faster.

 

Nice!

[kyahbean]

w00t!

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I was at a restaurant with NESN' date=' but now I'm stuck here listening to these crappy Yank radio announcers.[/quote']

 

You should,ve stayed at the restaurant.

[TedWilliams101]

The point with the spectacular plays is that balls that WMP might not be able to get to, Coco can. Crespblows, you yourself admit that the stats back up Coco as the better CF. Where's the problem? Thats what I have been saying.

[Rdsxmbnt]

 

In CF I would want Coco, everywhere else I want Pena.

 

um, I dont think you would want Pena on the corner spots, hes awful there while Crisp is a well above average defender at the corner spots (at least LF, i dont know about RF)

[ORS]

Jeemer! Jeemer! Jeemer!

[example1]

I would usually buy this, but since you have been disproven, you're probably looking to save face.

 

Some stats rating players:

 

Ozzie Smith - +272 FRAA

Willie Mays - +112 FRAA

Roberto Clemente - +109 FRAA

 

Oh, and Wily Mo Pena (RF)

 

2004: -9

2005: -2

2006: -1

 

It seems to be accurate most of the time.

 

You know that this doesn't prove most of the time. It does prove that players who fans and scouts widely believe to be great fielders are backed up by the metric used for FRAA. You put some data in, and it popped out something good. That's science for ya.

 

You can't possibly watch every inning, every play, of Coco Crisp's performance. We use stats to help us out. They are a measure of performance.

 

Uhhh, you can't? s***. Did I die and I'm in heaven or what? I've watched probably 85% of the games (maybe 40% with my wife--godbless her soul). I probably need to get a life, huh?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Again Okajima does a nice job against some good hitters

[Papelbon58]

Diving catches often mean that the guy screwed up with his judgement to begin with.

 

On the topic of the argument, I think that Wily Mo's offensive numbers would go down if there was a larger sample size, because he would strike out more often. They need to gradually work him into a starting role to see if he can make more out of his at bats. He is all or nothing right now, which isn't particularly what the Sox are looking for. He doesn't need to be Youk, but just needs to do something other than home run or stikeout. Coco is the better defensive player, but its mostly due to consistency. It has nothing to do with spectacular plays. If you leave anybody with decent legs out there long enough they make some plays.

[mtbykr]

Nice...into the 9th with a lead!

[TedWilliams101]

And you're right, I haven't watched every inning Coco has played, but I watched a bit when he was with Cleveland, and I have seen probably 90% of the Red Sox games since he joined our team. So ya, I think I can use my memory as well as stats.

[yeszir]

Oh good, Rivera.

[CrespoBlows]

The point with the spectacular plays is that balls that WMP might not be able to get to' date=' Coco can. Crespblows, you yourself admit that the stats back up Coco as the better CF. Where's the problem? Thats what I have been saying.[/quote']

 

No, you idiot.

 

You've been saying that Coco Crisp was GREAT in CF. The numbers prove he is not.

 

You've been saying that Pena was TERRIBLE in CF. The numbers prove he is not.

 

At best, Crisp is slightly better than Pena. Even then, Pena's bat obliterates what ever edge Crisp holds with the glove.

[Rdsxmbnt]

id love to see some runs vs. rivera just for fun

[example1]

um' date=' I dont think you would want Pena on the corner spots, hes awful there while Crisp is a well above average defender at the corner spots (at least LF, i dont know about RF)[/quote']

 

I better want him at the corner, because he aint MY CF if I have Coco and Ellsbury ( or if they want to go after Torii Hunter, or Andruw Jones or Ichiro or any of the other superior players who play CF). If Pena is going to be a part of this team he should either learn to play 1B or a corner spot IMO.

[CrespoBlows]

Uhhh, you can't? s***. Did I die and I'm in heaven or what? I've watched probably 85% of the games (maybe 40% with my wife--godbless her soul). I probably need to get a life, huh?

 

I try, but I sometimes will miss an inning when I drop a deuce, grabbing a meal, etc..

 

You know, the stuff that can't be put off.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I better want him at the corner' date=' because he aint MY CF if I have Coco and Ellsbury ( or if they want to go after Torii Hunter, or Andruw Jones or Ichiro or any of the other superior players who play CF). If Pena is going to be a part of this team he should either learn to play 1B or a corner spot IMO.[/quote']

 

Id really look for him to learn to play 1B, with Ellsbury coming up he doesnt really fit anywhere and hes not good enough to play the corner OF spots for a whole season (no room anyway). With Lowells impending FA, maybe working with WMP to play 1B would be the best solution.

[example1]

I try, but I sometimes will miss an inning when I drop a deuce, grabbing a meal, etc..

 

You know, the stuff that can't be put off.

 

I hate the mid-inning deuce. I wait all day for a sox game and then I feel bad if it needs to be a 'relaxor' deuce, I'm always feeling hurried. At those times i think to myself "at least I'm not at Fenway"

[Youk Of The Nation]

"Not easy to do off of Mariano Rivera"

 

Not last season, maybe.