Tick tock for Coco Crisp

[Mr Crunchy]

the man was doing a great job till he broke his finger

since

he looks like a blind man trying to return a bowl of soup

 

its gotta be in the head now

and if thats the case you treat him like a madcow or a drug addicted neighbor

you put him out of his misery

[Cocos Disciples]

Speaking of Coco Crisp...he will be wearing #42 on April 15, honoring Jackie Robinson.

 

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070405&content_id=1881105&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

[CrespoBlows]

Speaking of Coco Crisp...he will be wearing #42 on April 15, honoring Jackie Robinson.

 

http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070405&content_id=1881105&vkey=news_bos&fext=.jsp&c_id=bos

 

I mean, the Red Sox said Jackie Robinson couldn't be a member of the Red Sox, because he was black, but can any of you recall a bigger insult than to have Coco Crisp don your uniform?

[jacksonianmarch]

I tried and I cannot really think of anything worse.

 

Maybe having lucky Larry wear some Brooklyn duds?

 

Having the jester, the bum that resides in the theater district who is always ready with some sexual innuendo about the woman on your arm, urinate on the number 42?

 

Having bongo boy down near the pru wear it while he plays the buckets until 4am?

 

Coco wearing it is worse than all of them.

[Cocos Disciples]

Whats your obsession with bums?

[jacksonianmarch]

Boston has some of the best bums. I am serious. I have been to NYC a few times, and a few other cities who have the scariest, whackiest bums. But boston's bums seem to have a sense of humor to them.

[BSN07]

I mean' date=' the Red Sox said Jackie Robinson couldn't be a member of the Red Sox, because he was black, but can any of you recall a bigger insult than to have Coco Crisp don your uniform?[/quote']

 

I think its because hes the only negro player on the team....

[seabeachfred]

I think its because hes the only negro player on the team....

 

Ortiz and Ramirez are black---they could wear the uniform since they would have been barred along with Crisp if they were trying to break in before 1947. As an old Brooklyn Dodger fan I am very pissed off that Crisp has to be the one to wear Jackie's uniform. I was fortunate enough to watch Jackie play for many years and I can tell you that CocoPops wouldn't make a good scab on Jackie's ass. His wearing that number is a total disgrace.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

[CrespoBlows]

I think its because hes the only negro player on the team....

 

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/22/229910.jpg

 

This man looks black.

[seabeachfred]

the man was doing a great job till he broke his finger

since

he looks like a blind man trying to return a bowl of soup

 

its gotta be in the head now

and if thats the case you treat him like a madcow or a drug addicted neighbor

you put him out of his misery

 

And Coco did get a hit today. Big freakin' deal. What did we get, three???? Is this the Red Sox? Aren't we supposed to be a hitting machine. I'm no Pena fan and you all know that, but why didn't we pinch hit him for Mirabelli when we had the chance? Doug is worthless at the plate.

 

We can't put this on Wakefield. He did step up and pitched six good innings. He deserved to win this game.

[Ray10]

I dunno to me Coco kind of didn't do enough with Boston. I thought he was going to do a little more when he came to the team but maybe I was wrong I dunno I still feel like he could have been better.

[example1]

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/22/229910.jpg

 

This man looks black.

 

I'm pretty sure the term that differentiates Manny and Ortiz from Jackie is "African American". Coco is an African-American, the other two are Dominican.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm pretty sure the term that differentiates Manny and Ortiz from Jackie is "African American". Coco is an African-American' date=' the other two are Dominican.[/quote']

 

Sounds like discrimination to me. :dunno:

[a700hitter]

And Coco did get a hit today. Big freakin' deal. What did we get' date=' three???? Is this the Red Sox? Aren't we supposed to be a hitting machine. I'm no Pena fan and you all know that, but why didn't we pinch hit him for Mirabelli when we had the chance? Doug is worthless at the plate.[/quote']The bottom of the order is very questionable. Tek needs to make a comeback, because it is bad enough that once or twice a week we will have that automatic out (Mirabelli) in the lineup. He's toast.

[example1]

Sounds like discrimination to me. :dunno:

 

Let's just say that the civil rights movement wasn't led by Dominicans. I'm not saying that Papi and Manny haven't benefited from what Jackie Robinson did, but there is a distinction to be made between African Americans (many of whom decended from American slave holders) and Dominicans (who did not decend from American slave holders).

 

Is Coco-Crisp an honorary Dominican, who is proud of his heratige of revolt, including the revolts against Spain and Haiti simply because of his skin color? It seems to me that the distinction is valid.

 

CC Sabathia isn't complaining about the sparse number of Dominican pitchers in the league, he (and Dontrelle) are complaining about how few African Americans there are playing. Are they discriminating?

[example1]

The bottom of the order is very questionable. Tek needs to make a comeback' date=' because it is bad enough that once or twice a week we will have that automatic out (Mirabelli) in the lineup. He's toast.[/quote']

 

The use of a below average catcher simply for an average MLB pitcher is questionable in my mind. There are probably some intangables that Wakefield brings to the table (experience, leadership, history of health, etc.,) but 2 roster spots for no real production is questionable.

[a700hitter]

The use of a below average catcher simply for an average MLB pitcher is questionable in my mind. There are probably some intangables that Wakefield brings to the table (experience' date=' leadership, history of health, etc.,) but 2 roster spots for no real production is questionable.[/quote']Agreed.

[CrespoBlows]

Let's just say that the civil rights movement wasn't led by Dominicans.

 

Can't other races besides African-Americans celebrate Jackie Robinson?

 

I'm not saying that Papi and Manny haven't benefited from what Jackie Robinson did

 

They benefited DIRECTLY from what MLB did. (Breaking the color barrier)

 

but there is a distinction to be made between African Americans (many of whom decended from American slave holders) and Dominicans (who did not decend from American slave holders).

 

I really don't care. If David Ortiz wants to don Jackie Robinson's jersey, he should be able to.

 

Is Coco-Crisp an honorary Dominican, who is proud of his heratige of revolt, including the revolts against Spain and Haiti simply because of his skin color? It seems to me that the distinction is valid.

 

You're saying Coco Crisp is proud to be an Dominican, because he is black? I don't get it.

 

CC Sabathia isn't complaining about the sparse number of Dominican pitchers in the league, he (and Dontrelle) are complaining about how few African Americans there are playing. Are they discriminating?

 

This point is completely irrelevant.

[example1]

Agreed.

 

I was better off with it two years ago, when Mirabelli looked like he could hit 15 HR if given a full time position, but if Varitek goes down not only do we lose HIS 12 HR (down from 20+) but Mirabelli might as well just use the wrong end of the bat and hit from the left side.

 

I wonder if Josh Bard is available?

[example1]

Can't other races besides African-Americans celebrate Jackie Robinson?

 

yes.

 

They benefited DIRECTLY from what MLB did. (Breaking the color barrier)

 

Yes.

 

I really don't care. If David Ortiz wants to don Jackie Robinson's jersey, he should be able to.

 

Yup.

 

You're saying Coco Crisp is proud to be an Dominican, because he is black? I don't get it.

 

You're right, you don't get it. You don't get it that a black African, a black Dominican, and an African-American are likely to see themselves as having different histories and heritages. Crisp does not identify with the history of Dominicans the same way that Manny and Papi likely do. Ortiz and Manny likely pay a lot of hommage to what Jackie Robinson did (as do you and I), that doesn't make them African American.

 

This point is completely irrelevant.

 

No, it shows an example of 2 African American baseball players who identify "African-American" as something seperate from "Dominican". It is entirely relevant, if your point is that they are the same.

 

You get so carried away trying to sound smart that you forget what you're arguing. You're arguing that Coco Crisp and David Ortiz are the same culturally because they have the same skin color, that there is no distinction between Dominicans and African-Americans and that such a view would be "discrimination" (your word, not mine).

 

At no point did I say David Ortiz couldn't wear 42 if he wanted to. You put that argument in my mouth. The point was the Coco-Crisp was the only African-American on the team, at which point you countered that David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez also looked "black" and therefore were, in some sense, the same.

[CrespoBlows]

I guess you and I see it differently. I see Jackie Robinson as the guy who broke the color barrier, not the cultural barrier.

[SCM33]

Nice to see him turning it on. I was running very low with patience, but a change in his swing/approach seems to have made all the difference. Nice to see.

[YanksHater213]

Wow, yeah like SCM33 said, he's really been heating up. He's been driving the ball with power too. I'm liking this, hopefully Coco can keep it up.

[MANNYHOF24]

Let's say Hypothetically that Crisp's streak here is fairly permanent and he returns to the player that he was in Cleveland a few years ago. Then what happens in 2008? Do you we trade Crisp and get good value in return, or do we trade Ellsbury and try to aquire a another piece for this team. It's a pretty interesting dilema the FO will have this offseason. Granted Coco has to continue to produce for the rest of the season, but if this is the case that will also mean we will have one hell of an offense for the rest of the season.

[BoSox21]

no question, we trade Coco. id be shocked if Coco sustained an average above .275 at the end of the season

[MANNYHOF24]

no question' date=' we trade Coco. id be shocked if Coco sustained an average above .275 at the end of the season[/quote']

 

maybe he is actually healthy :dunno:

[BSN07]

I've never been a huge fan of Coco( well his batting skills anyway). I have backed him on his D tho. He's played a Gold Glove caliber D this season in CF. If he starts to hit like he did in Cleveland and pre injur 06 this can only be considered a bonus and I will enjoy it.

 

Manny, as far as your hypothetical question goes, I would have to agree with BoSox, trade Crisp. If he continues to hit like this or somewhat close all season then we might beable to sell hi on him. Previously we would have been selling very low, like under the basement low. Ellsbury is the future in CF for the Sox. the only way you trade him is if your getting someone huge in return. A big time player, and young too. Like Sizemore, Santanna, you get the point.

[BoSox21]

I love Coco's defense too but Ellsbury is no scrub defensively either

[Rdsxmbnt]

If Coco returns to his form (meaning .800+ OPS hitter) then Id strongly consider keeping him. Coco's defense has elevated a ton this year, he may be the best defensive CF in baseball, and a guy who plays defense like that and can hit is extremely valuable. But the sample size is too small to say for sure that hes turned it around. Though batting .583 /.600/1.000/1.600 since he changed his stance is a good start.

[BoSox21]

Coco's defense has elevated a ton this year' date=' he may be the best defensive CF in baseball, and a guy who plays defense like that and can hit is extremely valuable.[/quote']

 

he's great defensively but best CF in baseball? thats a bit of a stretch. Andruw and Torii are two that are better consistently. and when you're talking defensive ability, I factor arm strength into that and in that department, Coco makes Johnny Damon look like Roberto Clemente