Jorge Julio to Sox?

[Cityofchampions33]

Saw it in the rumor mill at ESPN, but couldn't read what it had to say. I think this would be a very nice acquisition as his K9 and PERA are above average (though his ERA and HIP are high) and especially if it were for Moss or maybe Murphy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Saw it in the rumor mill at ESPN' date=' but couldn't read what it had to say. I think this would be a very nice acquisition as his K9 and PERA are above average (though his ERA and HIP are high) and especially if it were for Moss or maybe Murphy.[/quote']

 

Julio is an enigma. He is too wild to be a closer in the ALE.

[a700hitter]

He's too wild to be in any pressure situation. I've said it before on these boards. He's Heathcliff Slocumb without the talent.

[jacksonianmarch]

I remember a game against the yankees where he was closing for the O's. He had a one run lead and walked the tying run and winning run in. I would LOVE to see him in sox red as the closer.

[Cocos Disciples]

This is what is says about Julio (ESPN Rumor Mill):

 

No deal imminent for Julio

Mar 16 - Trading Jorge Julio remains a possibility, but it appears the Diamondbacks will likely have the 28-year-old reliever in their bullpen when the season starts, The Arizona Republic reports.

The Marlins are interested, but the D-Backs aren't likely to pick up any of the $3.6M Julio is owed, the South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports.

 

Count the Giants in, too, The Palm Beach Post reports. The Giants reportedly would be willing to pay more of Julio's salary. Arizona, according to the newspaper, is believed to be intrigued by Marlins starter Yusmeiro Petit.

 

And this is what it says about Benitez:

 

Benitez staying or going?

Mar 19 - The Giants may make a decision on whether to trade or keep closer Armando Benitez by early next week, The San Francisco Chronicle reports.

The Marlins and Reds are believed to be among the interested teams.

 

About the Red Sox:

No closer to solving closer problem

Mar 16 - The Red Sox, contrary to Bay Area media reports, have not contacted the Giants about closer Armando Benitez, the Providence Journal reports.

On Wednesday, GM Theo Epstein told the Boston Herald the team has no plans to acquire a closer and that they'll likely open the season with an internal candidate.

 

The internal candidates for closer are Mike Timlin, Julian Tavarez, Brendan Donnelly and Joel Pineiro.

[Cityofchampions33]

well then I guess I was wrong

[CrespoBlows]

He's too wild to be in any pressure situation. I've said it before on these boards. He's Heathcliff Slocumb without the talent.

 

Your perception is a bit off. Julio isn't the same pitcher he was in Baltimore.

 

For someone who has no talent, his ERA is only .12 higher than Slocumb's, and Julio's strikeout numbers are higher. Also, Julio is in his late 20's, and he's getting better. He'd be solid pickup for the Red Sox.

[jacksonianmarch]

Your perception is a bit off. Julio isn't the same pitcher he was in Baltimore.

 

For someone who has no talent, his ERA is only .12 higher than Slocumb's, and Julio's strikeout numbers are higher. Also, Julio is in his late 20's, and he's getting better. He'd be solid pickup for the Red Sox.

 

He is getting better in the NLW. Julio's problem is that he has a ton of trouble with location. And if you are going to be facing the Jays and Yankees 38 times, you better believe his weaknesses will show.

[CrespoBlows]

He is getting better in the NLW. Julio's problem is that he has a ton of trouble with location. And if you are going to be facing the Jays and Yankees 38 times' date=' you better believe his weaknesses will show.[/quote']

 

If he keeps pitching the way he's been pitching, it won't matter what division he's in. It would probably be a benefit moving out of Arizona for Julio. Chase Field is an extreme hitter's park, Fenway would probably help him out a bit.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd rather try Kason Gabbard, Manny Delcarmen, Devern Hansack, or Craig Hansen in our bullpen rather than Jorge Julio.

 

Most of whom will start in AAA.

[CrespoBlows]

I'd rather try Kason Gabbard, Manny Delcarmen, Devern Hansack, or Craig Hansen in our bullpen rather than Jorge Julio.

 

Most of whom will start in AAA.

 

Why?

 

None of those pitchers could even dream of posting Julio's numbers last year.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Why?

 

None of those pitchers could even dream of posting Julio's numbers last year.

 

For the most part I still consider them "unknowns" which is why I would like to see them. I'd like to see if one of them could suprise rather than give up resources and a spot on the roster for another reliever that is not going to post an ERA under 4

[a700hitter]

Your perception is a bit off. Julio isn't the same pitcher he was in Baltimore.

 

For someone who has no talent, his ERA is only .12 higher than Slocumb's, and Julio's strikeout numbers are higher. Also, Julio is in his late 20's, and he's getting better. He'd be solid pickup for the Red Sox.

He stinks. He chokes in pressure situations.

[CrespoBlows]

He stinks. He chokes in pressure situations.

 

No, he chokes when he cannot throw strikes. When he can spot his pitches, he's a shut down reliever.

 

Again, your perception of his days as a pitcher in Baltimore are clouding your judgement to what pitcher Julio is now.

[a700hitter]

No, he chokes when he cannot throw strikes. When he can spot his pitches, he's a shut down reliever.

 

Again, your perception of his days as a pitcher in Baltimore are clouding your judgement to what pitcher Julio is now.

Part of choking is not being able to spot your pitches in pressure situations. I don't think his game has matured so much by going to the NL. I think he went to a low pressure division with light offense. If he comes back to the AL East, he'll start throwing balls to the backstop.

[CrespoBlows]

Part of choking is not being able to spot your pitches in pressure situations.

 

And like most relievers, Julio does have a bad outing or two.

 

 

I don't think his game has matured so much by going to the NL.

 

His strikeout numbers would say otherwise.

 

I think he went to a low pressure division with light offense. If he comes back to the AL East, he'll start throwing balls to the backstop.

 

Arizona was in a playoff chase for the majority of the year, and he pitched pretty good. He's shown the ability to close for a team in the AL East already.

 

2002     Baltimore Orioles 5 6 1.99 67 0 0 0 25 31 68.0 55 22 15 5 2 27 55 
2003     Baltimore Orioles 0 7 4.38 64 0 0 0 36 44 61.2 60 36 30 10 2 34 52 
2004     Baltimore Orioles 2 5 4.57 65 0 0 0 22 26 69.0 59 35 35 11 3 39 70 

 

 

He had a bad year. Everyone then used that to gouge the ability of Jorge Julio. Well, you did at least.

 

2005     Baltimore Orioles 3 5 5.90 67 0 0 0 0 2 [u]71.2[/u] 76 50 47 14 2 24 [b]58[/b] 

 

Look at the strikeouts in this year. (Innings underlined, K's bolded)

 

2006     Arizona Diamondbacks .190 189 778 17.42 1 32 2.20 5.04 [b]11.08[/b] 6.25 
2006     New York Mets .247 96 438 20.53 0 12 3.30 4.22 [b]13.92[/b] 8.86 

 

Look at the levels in this year. If he's fanning batters at this rate, it doesn't matter what division he's in.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

No, he chokes when he cannot throw strikes. When he can spot his pitches, he's a shut down reliever.

 

If the Red Sox coaching staff can teach him more consistency with his control...fantastic, but they can't. If it hasn't been done at this point...it probably won't

[CrespoBlows]

If the Red Sox coaching staff can teach him more consistency with his control...fantastic' date=' but they can't. If it hasn't been done at this point...it probably won't[/quote']

 

His career rate of 4.20 BB/9 should be adequete. As long as he's upkeeping his 10 K/9 ratio, we shouldn't have to worry about his wildness.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

His career rate of 4.20 BB/9 should be adequete. As long as he's upkeeping his 10 K/9 ratio' date=' we shouldn't have to worry about his wildness.[/quote']

 

Yeah 4.20 BB/9 and a 10 k/9 ratio is adequate.....is that what you want? In the event we need a big strikeout, sure Julio would come in handy but for the most part we are looking at another mediocre reliever. Right now I'd rather see what our current players can do. We have some good arms and some unproven arms that could surprise some people. Lets wait to see how the bullpen develops then determine if we need another average reliever to help out.

[jacksonianmarch]

In 2005, his last yr in the ALE, he had a 5.90ERA in 71.2IP. For the first time in his career, he allowed more hits than IP. That yr, his walks were down, but so were his K's. Then, he was moved to NYM where he had a 5+ ERA with 31 baserunners in 21IP. He moves to ARI where he is playing in the warmth and against the worst division in baseball and he still skyrocketed his walk rate.

 

He isnt the answer. And for a kicker, his last 3 yrs against the yankees isnt too nice. He has had some good bail jobs keeping his ERA under 6, but he has allowed 26 baserunners in 15IP for a WHIP of 1.73.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

The problem with the ALE is...the division is going to be packed so tightly that you don't have a month or two to audition a couple of guys and see who gets the role. You could easily try a couple of guys out, end up dropping 3 or 4 games, and have that be the deciding margin of the season.

 

We need to get a plethora of guys in here and make a decision BEFORE the season starts.

[jacksonianmarch]

and this is EXACTLY why I think the yankees win the east. If you guys have a trustworthy bullpen then it would be a dogfight and I'd only have the rose colored glasses telling me the yankees win the east. But when you have the most important inning of the game being handed to a bunch of guys fighting for the spot, you are asking for a disaster. If the sox get lucky and the first guy they try there is dynamite, then it will be a battle. But if there are any failed experiments, the sox are sunk for the east. They still may win the WC, but this is some serious s***.

[TheKilo]

and this is EXACTLY why I think the yankees win the east. If you guys have a trustworthy bullpen then it would be a dogfight and I'd only have the rose colored glasses telling me the yankees win the east. But when you have the most important inning of the game being handed to a bunch of guys fighting for the spot' date=' you are asking for a disaster. If the sox get lucky and the first guy they try there is dynamite, then it will be a battle. But if there are any failed experiments, the sox are sunk for the east. They still may win the WC, but this is some serious s***.[/quote']

 

Shhhhhhhhh. Quiet down and let the grown-ups talk.

[jacksonianmarch]

turn a blind eye all you want kilo. The season will bear it out.

[ORS]

and this is EXACTLY why I think the yankees win the east. If you guys have a trustworthy bullpen then it would be a dogfight and I'd only have the rose colored glasses telling me the yankees win the east. But when you have the most important inning of the game being handed to a bunch of guys fighting for the spot' date=' you are asking for a disaster. If the sox get lucky and the first guy they try there is dynamite, then it will be a battle. But if there are any failed experiments, the sox are sunk for the east. They still may win the WC, but this is some serious s***.[/quote']

The problem with this line of thinking is it assumes the same amount of leads are being handed over to the bullpen. NY's pen will more than likely surrender less leads, but they'll also likely be handed less with Pavano and Igawa rounding out the rotation. I think the winner of the East will be which one of these two teams finds better and quicker answers to their question marks.

[jacksonianmarch]

well put.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

The problem with this line of thinking is it assumes the same amount of leads are being handed over to the bullpen. NY's pen will more than likely surrender less leads' date=' but they'll also likely be handed less with Pavano and Igawa rounding out the rotation. I think the winner of the East will be which one of these two teams finds better and quicker answers to their question marks.[/quote']

 

Very good point...but in my mind, and maybe it's just because I'm a cynical Sox fan...but I feel that our lack of any kind of a mediocre closer is a bigger, more serious question mark than Pavano and Igawa. Let's not forget, there is a reason that the NYY gave Pavano the deal that they did prior to all of his injuries...he's no staff ace, but he's a legitimate hurler. He can deal when he's healthy. Or, I should say, he has dealt when he has been healthy. Yea I guess there's a chance that he's lost it...but as far as the Sox go, we've gotta hope for health AND talent whereas it seems the Yanks are only keeping their fingers crossed for one of the two.

[ORS]

We had the best closer in baseball, a killer O, and crap in the 4/5 slot last year. It worked for a while, but the wheels came off quick. I'd rather go into the season feeling good about 1-5 and needing to construct a BP on the go than the other way around.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

We had the best closer in baseball' date=' a killer O, and crap in the 4/5 slot last year. It worked for a while, but the wheels came off quick. I'd rather go into the season feeling good about 1-5 and needing to construct a BP on the go than the other way around.[/quote']

 

Touche.

[jacksonianmarch]

We had the best closer in baseball' date=' a killer O, and crap in the 4/5 slot last year. It worked for a while, but the wheels came off quick. I'd rather go into the season feeling good about 1-5 and needing to construct a BP on the go than the other way around.[/quote']

 

your offense was awful last yr compared to previous.