Sox inquire about Benitez

[riverside sluggers]

francona sounded pretty convincing. My wishes are coming true

 

Dont get too ahead of yourself. This was the same guy last year who said "Foulkie is our closer, theres no way around it". Its a fool's game to believe every word that comes out of a manager's or even player's mouth. Id be very surprised if he opened the season as the closer. He showed nothing last year in crunch situations as a reliever, nor has he shown anything this spring that merits even a look. He should be last behind Donnelly, Pineiro, Timlin, Hansen, the bat boy, etc.

[rician blast]

Wasn't it Benitez who drilled Tino in the back a few years ago?

[TheKilo]

Man, people really don't like Tavarez.

 

4.47 ERA in almost 100 innings pitched. Why, that's league average and he gave Tito flexibility in the pen!

 

Look, he's not the greatest. That's why he's a middle reliever. But he's not as bad as say, Jason Johnson, Kyle Snyder, or Rudy Seanez.

 

I also have questions as to his usage by Tito.

[VA Sox Fan]

I dunno what you are talking about' date=' but Tavares [b']is the closer.[/b] AL EAST BEWARE. Flying haymakers for no reason.

 

Really? Thanks Tito, especially with 3 weeks to go. Right on bro!

[VA Sox Fan]

francona sounded pretty convincing. My wishes are coming true

 

You mean your delusional fantasies, right?

[jacksonianmarch]

they could be very similar.

[hoke3182]

I'd be in favor of picking him up...he can still throw hard' date=' and it's not like we have many other options. The more people with opportunities the better, I say...you have a better chance at finding a diamond in the rough if you increase the size of your mine.[/quote']

Throws hard? High 80's isnt hard. And that diamond things crazy, what about the prospects they'll have to trade? I know the won't be cream of the crop but there still prospects that could be that diamond in the rough. He's not worth it.

[a700hitter]

He's worth Kyle Snyder and David Paulie. We'll have to waive both of them after ST anyway.

[riverside sluggers]

Huh? I know Kyle Snyder has to be waived because he's out of options. Where did you hear that Pauely is a player they'll have to waive after ST?

[TheKilo]

Armando Benitez isn't worth the dump I took this morning.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Throws hard? High 80's isnt hard. And that diamond things crazy' date=' what about the prospects they'll have to trade? I know the won't be cream of the crop but there still prospects that could be that diamond in the rough. He's not worth it.[/quote']

 

When he's healthy, he still can throw hard, and apparently, he's been throwing hard in ST. Theo's not going to give up anything good for him...mark my words. If Tim Lincecum doesn't break the Giants rotation out of camp, there's a chance they'll use him to close and the Giants would have to trade Benitez, thusly driving down his "value".

[a700hitter]

Huh? I know Kyle Snyder has to be waived because he's out of options. Where did you hear that Pauely is a player they'll have to waive after ST?

I think I heard it on a Red Sox telecast. Anyway,Pauley stinks. He has no future in the Red Sox organization.

[seabeachfred]

Gentlemen, have you seen Benetiz pitch of late? The guy is a royal choker, absolutely stunk when healthy enough to throw the past two seasons. He would be worse than Taverez if that's possible. All this talk about this guy tells me that Theo now has decided to try and win on the cheap. Look, they have spent wads of money on talent this off season; do they want to just piss it away because we haven't a guy in our stable capable of getting three outs in the ninth inning? Anyone reminded of 2003?

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Gentlemen' date=' have you seen Benetiz pitch of late? The guy is a royal choker, absolutely stunk when healthy enough to throw the past two seasons. He would be worse than Taverez if that's possible. All this talk about this guy tells me that Theo now has decided to try and win on the cheap. Look, they have spent wads of money on talent this off season; do they want to just piss it away because we haven't a guy in our stable capable of getting three outs in the ninth inning? Anyone reminded of 2003?[/quote']

 

Valid points, no doubt...but what's your alternative? There aren't any marquee FA closers still available. Short of Clemens deciding not only does he want to come back, not only does he want to come back to Boston, aaaaaaaaand that he wants to close instead of start...there are really no other options. If the only dice that Theo has to roll to get Benitez is a little bit of salary and a low-level prospect, then why not? If something becomes available where they could score Cordero or something, I'd be more than in favor of it...but for the time being, we kind of haaaaaaave to "win on the cheap".

[TheKilo]

We don't need to acquire Benitez though. In all honesty he's not any better than Timlin or Donnelly.

 

His acquisition would be redundant.

[TedWilliams101]

I agree, Benitez would be a waste of time. He's a piece of s***, more so than our s*** currently trying to be closers. Theo needs to stop being stupid and trade for a closer now before its too late. Delcarmen sucks, he always has. Just because he grew up in Roxbury doesn't mean he deserves to be a RS prospect. Hansen hasn't looked very good lately either. I would trade either of them to get a solid closer. I'd rather have a good shot at a World Series this year and maybe next year, then worry to much about the long term and not have a chance at winning anything this year. If Timlin, Donnelly, Peniero, or Tavarez end up closing this season, we can kiss this year good bye.

[BoSox21]

ESPN Radio just said that the Sox are inquiring about Scott Linebrink and Brad Lidge too

[adam123]

ESPN Radio just said that the Sox are inquiring about Scott Linebrink and Brad Lidge too

 

any trade rumors like who would would we have to give up ??

[Beckett95]

i think we should wait, see what happens first month of the season, and if we really cant close out games, go out and get someone

[adam123]

i think we should wait' date=' see what happens first month of the season, and if we really cant close out games, go out and get someone[/quote']

 

You could be right just look at adam wainright . but its really making me sketchy .

[Beckett95]

ya the cardinals had wainright, im not sure if the Sox have anyone like that. (Bryce Cox??)

 

I no this sounds crazy, but i wouldnt mind somewhat of a closer by commitee thing with Donelly, Timlin and Okajima (MAYBE Tavarez). I think the idea could work if it is used right

[ORS]

Delcarmen sucks' date=' he always has. Just because he grew up in Roxbury doesn't mean he deserves to be a RS prospect.[/quote']

He isn't worth taking a look at because of where he grew up. Like him or not, the guy has the stuff to be a successful reliever in the bigs. A 95 mph heater and hammer curve are useful. What he struggles with is commanding them. That can develop over time.

[jacksonianmarch]

I think anyone can snag Lidge right about now. He is so totally f***ed in the head that he should be free.

[seabeachfred]

We don't need to acquire Benitez though. In all honesty he's not any better than Timlin or Donnelly.

 

His acquisition would be redundant.

 

Kilo, does Donnelly remind you of the dump you took this morning? I didn't think so. Benetiez does, and while I might not go that far I've seen enough of this guy to know he is not the one you want in there when the chips are down. He sucked when he pitched in the AL, sucked for the Mets much of the time, and he hasn't been a ball of fire with the Giants either. I would even take Taverez over him. Believe me, unless my eyes have failed me completely we ought to stay away from this guy like he has an STD.

[seabeachfred]

I agree' date=' Benitez would be a waste of time. He's a piece of s***, more so than our s*** currently trying to be closers. Theo needs to stop being stupid and trade for a closer now before its too late. Delcarmen sucks, he always has. Just because he grew up in Roxbury doesn't mean he deserves to be a RS prospect. Hansen hasn't looked very good lately either. I would trade either of them to get a solid closer. I'd rather have a good shot at a World Series this year and maybe next year, then worry to much about the long term and not have a chance at winning anything this year. If Timlin, Donnelly, Peniero, or Tavarez end up closing this season, we can kiss this year good bye.[/quote']

 

Donnelly could do the job if he had to. The other ones you mentioned? Well, all I can say is if it's brown flush it.

[seabeachfred]

i think we should wait' date=' see what happens first month of the season, and if we really cant close out games, go out and get someone[/quote']

 

Sorry Beck, I heard that same s*** story in 2003 and by the time we fixed our problem we were so far behind the Yankees that even with a boombox they could hear us. No sir, not this time around. Those rumors about Lidge and Linebrink at least got my antenna up because they are better than what we have now. Hopefully, Theo has come out of his stupor and understands the gravity of the situation. A good closer gives us as good a chance to get to the WS as any other team in the AL. A bad one sinks us. What's there to think about?

[jacksonianmarch]

Lidge is a headcase, and a closer being a headcase is bad news. If you have to pick a guy, go for Cordero.

[seabeachfred]

ya the cardinals had wainright, im not sure if the Sox have anyone like that. (Bryce Cox??)

 

I no this sounds crazy, but i wouldnt mind somewhat of a closer by commitee thing with Donelly, Timlin and Okajima (MAYBE Tavarez). I think the idea could work if it is used right

 

I heard that same melody in 2003 Beck and it was a sour note all the way. Closer by Committee is a euphamism for failure by committee. We don't need to replay 2003 again.

[ORS]

I heard that same melody in 2003 Beck and it was a sour note all the way. Closer by Committee is a euphamism for failure by committee. We don't need to replay 2003 again.

I guess you waited until they won in '04 to pledge allegiance, Fred. By the end of '03 the 'pen was actually a strength of the team. What it lacked was someone like Schilling to complement Petey, and someone smart enough to take him out of the game.

[seabeachfred]

I guess you waited until they won in '04 to pledge allegiance' date=' Fred. By the end of '03 the 'pen was actually a strength of the team. What it lacked was someone like Schilling to complement Petey, and someone smart enough to take him out of the game.[/quote']

 

Get off this pledge of allegiance s*** ORS because it is getting very very old. You're not stupid; you have heard it said over and over that I came on board in late 2000 so no more of that crap. It is starting to wear on me. As for 2003, you conveniently pick the end of the 2003 season. What about the early and mid part of that year; we're you playing Rip Van Winkle? Remember the very first f***ing game that year? A blow lead, a blown save and an extra inning loss, and two more the following week. Remember?????

 

If you want to bag on me, fine, but get your facts straight. I have also repeatedly said that our 2003 bullpen cost us numerous games the first two and half months of that season. You disagree with that??? I also wonder if we had not had those early problems that year and had won the AL East whether having the home field advantage that seventh game might have made some difference, idiotic manager and all.