Trade talks pick up again?

[Cityofchampions33]

Castig' date=' maybe if we expand the trade talks to include Brad Hawpe and that Fuentes kid we could make it a blockbuster deal. I think, though, that it would cost us a prospect or two as well as Manny and, say, Mike Lowell. Just my opinion.[/quote']

 

Yeah, they would have to do seeing as the Rockies would be crazy to give up Atkins

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I just don't see this as a possible deal really.

 

Helton costs nearly as much as Manny per year, isn't nearly as good, and still has a number of years left. A deal of Manny without getting Helton back makes more sense, I think. But unless Colorado pays all of Manny's contract, plus half of Helton's it doesn't make much sense unless we also get Jason Hirsh or one of the top specs in their system.

[castigs850]

i agree i dont see this happening without top prospect helton and money coming to us for just manny, either that or helton and top prospect for just manny (no money switching sides) and players union and helton give the go ahead to try and restructure the deal to make it shorter and a little less rich

[a700hitter]

I still think it is possible that we get Helton in a salary dump for prospects, but not for Manny.

[Cityofchampions33]

I still think it is possible that we get Helton in a salary dump for prospects' date=' but not for Manny.[/quote']

 

ortiz, manny, helton, drew = sick

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I still think it is possible that we get Helton in a salary dump for prospects' date=' but not for Manny.[/quote']

 

I agree with this. It doesn't make sense. The Sox are probably capable of taking on part of Helton's contract without having to give up Manny's contract.

 

I think the Sox have some plans for their money for next year and thereafter. Given how long they targeted Matsuzaka I imagine there's a list of potential FA acquisitions and I bet Schilling's $ is part of that.

[TheKilo]

I think Mike Hampton would disagree.

 

Mike Hampton's contract hasn't crippled a franchise.

[BSN07]

The funny thing is, in the coming years after manny has retired we won't even think or discuss his antics. We will simply look back upon his stunning career and remember all the great hits, catches, and bloopers in the field. It's too bad that someone has to be gone or not playing anymore before you realize how special they really where.

 

Manny has never talked to the media. He's not a media person, and i don't think he is comfortable talking in public like say ol 7-11 mouth Schilling. He doesn't say anything to the media so that bruises there egos and make them believe Manny doesn't like them, so they inturn turn on him and bash him for stupid things. March 1 is the date at which it is mandatory to show up to ST, aslong as he is there on that date then everything else doesn't matter. Some guys like to show up early, some guys like to show up on time, and some guys hate going to ST( but still show up). For teams and players like the Red Sox and NYY, these guys for the most part are on the job from mid feb. to Oct. Thats 8 long months, so the guy doesn't want to add a couple of weeks to that, no big deal.

 

My suggestion to everyone is stop listning to these dumass reporters who think they know whats on Manny's mind but have no clue whatsoever, sit back and watch the greatness unfold before your eyes and cheerish the moments you get to watch him play, because the sad fact is he will not always be out in LF forever. And the odds of seeing another player of his type of caliber is not hi, Manny Ramirez's don't fall from the sky everyday, they are few and far between.

[seabeachfred]

Yeah' date=' they would have to do seeing as the Rockies would be crazy to give up Atkins[/quote']

 

CofC, has anybody actually read anything concrete on this trade rumor? The various boards are lighted up with talk about a Manny for Helton trade but I have seen no story in any paper or on the Red Sox MLB Board or the Globe, Herald or any media outlet. Frankly, I think it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone started this rumor and now it has spread all over the lot. A straight trade for Helton with Manny going to the Rockies makes no sense because it would put either Youk or Lowell on the pine and put Pena in LF, a horrific thought to be honest with you. This trade would either have to be expanded to include many players, or just crap canned as being a rumor and nothing more. Have you or anyone else heard anything?

[MANNYHOF24]

Yes he does get paid to hit but he also gets paid to patrol left field, now I will give it to the guy, he plays the monster like no one else, I mean he doesn't even have to look when he throws, I just didn't like, for instance last year when he said he had a bad knee, but he still could have played but he didn't, and this year, he's going be late to ST because of his mother, that's fine but he was going to go to a car auction but now he's not probably cause the Red Sox said something...

I will agree that the media portrays Manny a lot worse than he is, he's one of the best ball players I've seen...

I just don't understand why he hates Boston and doesn't want to play here... I know if he did want to play here he would play better, because he would want to be here...

 

He has never said he hates Boston and doesnt want to play here. I dont think he likes the harassing Boston media. Manny prepares and works harder than anyone on the team. Last year Manny had a serious injury. Patella Tendnitous has the potential to end a career, so whats the point of playing with it when the team has no shot of winning? Anyone who says that they wouldnt mind if the sox traded Manny just dont understand the game of baseball. The redsox will always benefit for having Manny far greater than Manny being a hinderance to this team. Im sick and tired of the medias B.S. trying to run Manny out of town.

[MANNYHOF24]

CofC' date=' has anybody actually read anything concrete on this trade rumor? The various boards are lighted up with talk about a Manny for Helton trade but I have seen no story in any paper or on the Red Sox MLB Board or the Globe, Herald or any media outlet. Frankly, I think it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone started this rumor and now it has spread all over the lot. A straight trade for Helton with Manny going to the Rockies makes no sense because it would put either Youk or Lowell on the pine and put Pena in LF, a horrific thought to be honest with you. This trade would either have to be expanded to include many players, or just crap canned as being a rumor and nothing more. Have you or anyone else heard anything?[/quote']

 

No, this is just some moron reporter who is trying to stir something up. He thinks that Red Sox fans and mangment cant stand Manny and just want to unload him, which is untrue.

[seabeachfred]

No' date=' this is just some moron reporter who is trying to stir something up. He thinks that Red Sox fans and mangment cant stand Manny and just want to unload him, which is untrue.[/quote']

 

Mannyhof, I take it this writer knows something about the Red Sox and their fans, and if he does he would know tht most Bosox fans like Manny and revel at what he can do with a bat. Yes, he can be a little contrary at times but what this guy or fans of other teams fail to understand is that we take Ramirez with the whole package, while those same people cannot fathom why we do it. Maybe we ought to remind them that when he and Nomar were being traded in the winter of 2004 in deals that collapsed with Texas and Chicago, Nomar took it personal and sulked his way out of Boston by the summer while Manny put on his uniform and went out and led the league in homers, hit over 300, drove in his usual 120 runs and led the Red Sox to a World Championship and a WS MVP. It's really very simple. Why can't that writer, whoever the hell is he is, and these trolls understand that?

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For teams and players like the Red Sox and NYY' date=' these guys for the most part are on the job from mid feb. to Oct. Thats 8 long months, so the guy doesn't want to add a couple of weeks to that, no big deal.[/quote']

 

Man, I wish my job were that nice. He makes roughly $6865 PER PITCH SEEN. That's almost $122,000 per game. Even if you just count the number of days he's playing baseball (say 200 a year) he's taking home more than 91,000 a game. He will retire in two or three years and continue to make multiple millions per season in deferred pay. Even on a daily basis, out of 365 Days a year, he makes 50,000+.

 

I love Manny and I am fully aware of the supply/demand aspect of why he makes so much money. I'm just not willing to cut him as much slack as you are. We all have jobs, we all work way more than we want to. Grow up and have some respect for everyone else. He's totally oblivious.

[seabeachfred]

EX, Manny is one of many, or almost all, ballplayers who haven't a freaking clue of how lucky they are to be pulling the big bucks for playing a kid's game with a talent that most of us would have robbed and pilfered for. However, as I said in an earlier post, we simply have to take the whole package with Manny or reject him out of hand and I'm not going to do that, especially when I know he has plenty of company in that regard all over the Majors. Or have we forgotten Bonds, Palmiero, Canseco, and the rest of the crowd already? You're younger than me and still have to punch the clock to make ends meet, and I had to put up some s*** part-time jobs in high school and college before I could start teaching for even shittier pay, and not until 20 years of classroom experience did I start to make decent money. Most players don't comprehend or even begin to understand that, but that's the way if seems to be nowadays with baseball players. For me, I haven't any choice. I will root hard for Manny and any other greedy bastards on the Red Sox and so will you because they are our team and we sure as hell would rather see them stand triumphant than that dirty band of gazillionaires called the Yankees.

[Cityofchampions33]

CofC' date=' has anybody actually read anything concrete on this trade rumor? The various boards are lighted up with talk about a Manny for Helton trade but I have seen no story in any paper or on the Red Sox MLB Board or the Globe, Herald or any media outlet. Frankly, I think it is all smoke and mirrors. Someone started this rumor and now it has spread all over the lot. A straight trade for Helton with Manny going to the Rockies makes no sense because it would put either Youk or Lowell on the pine and put Pena in LF, a horrific thought to be honest with you. This trade would either have to be expanded to include many players, or just crap canned as being a rumor and nothing more. Have you or anyone else heard anything?[/quote']

 

nope, basically what MannyHOF said, just specualtion of the most random kind, but since baseball season isn't starting we were just playin on who we'd like in return. The guy is basically saying sicne Manny had anotehr MBM moment the Sox would suddenly have enough of him and ship him west.

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EX' date=' Manny is one of many, or almost all, ballplayers who haven't a freaking clue of how lucky they are to be pulling the big bucks for playing a kid's game with a talent that most of us would have robbed and pilfered for. However, as I said in an earlier post, we simply have to take the whole package with Manny or reject him out of hand and I'm not going to do that, especially when I know he has plenty of company in that regard all over the Majors. Or have we forgotten Bonds, Palmiero, Canseco, and the rest of the crowd already? You're younger than me and still have to punch the clock to make ends meet, and I had to put up some s*** part-time jobs in high school and college before I could start teaching for even shittier pay, and not until 20 years of classroom experience did I start to make decent money. Most players don't comprehend or even begin to understand that, but that's the way if seems to be nowadays with baseball players. For me, I haven't any choice. I will root hard for Manny and any other greedy bastards on the Red Sox and so will you because they are our team and we sure as hell would rather see them stand triumphant than that dirty band of gazillionaires called the Yankees.[/quote']

 

I accept him, that's not the issue. I just don't publically condone it. It's not hypocritical or anything. I can be genuinely disappointed that he doesn't take the nitty-gritty of his job seriously and still root for him when he IS working. I was responding to someone saying "he plays for the Sox or Yanks, its a long season so give him a break" and I just said "I"ll take it, but I don't give him a break". That's all.

 

I think some players do understand what hard work is. I think many of them have parents who likely worked hard and still keep those values intact.

[seabeachfred]

nope' date=' basically what MannyHOF said, just specualtion of the most random kind, but since baseball season isn't starting we were just playin on who we'd like in return. The guy is basically saying sicne Manny had anotehr MBM moment the Sox would suddenly have enough of him and ship him west.[/quote']

 

CoC, sometimes I think some of these writers cause more harm than good. You would think they could find something better to write about instead of trying to cause tension within the team and fandom.

[seabeachfred]

I accept him, that's not the issue. I just don't publically condone it. It's not hypocritical or anything. I can be genuinely disappointed that he doesn't take the nitty-gritty of his job seriously and still root for him when he IS working. I was responding to someone saying "he plays for the Sox or Yanks, its a long season so give him a break" and I just said "I"ll take it, but I don't give him a break". That's all.

 

I think some players do understand what hard work is. I think many of them have parents who likely worked hard and still keep those values intact.

 

I get you Ex, and my post wasn't meant as a slam at you at all. We had two guys voted in the Hall of Fame this year that exemplified what you were saying-----Tony Gwinn and Cal Ripken Jr. However, there seem to be a helluva lot more selfish me me me players today than every before, and I either accept reality or turn my back on baseball altogether and that is something I could never do.

[BSN07]

This is why I say Dan Shaunessy is a tool of the upmost kind and gets boned in the ass by jackie Mcmullen on a daily basis, worrying about what he will write about because Manny is not at camp...