Nixon signs with Indians (1 yr/$3mil)

[soxlife92]

well hes been with the sox his whole career and hes kind of grown on the team. best of luck to trot in cleveland.

[Ray10]

Well Trot you were great in the time that you were with the Bosox and I only wish the best for wherever else you are going to be. You will be missed by many Sox fans.

[jacksonianmarch]

how many 04 champs remain now?

[EvilDonut]

how many 04 champs remain now?

 

 

Manny

Papi

Timlin

Schilling

Wakefield

Varitek

............

[hoke3182]

what about youk and mirabeli they got rings right?

[TheKilo]

what about youk and mirabeli they got rings right?

 

Yup.

[a700hitter]

Is Nixon at 1 year $3 million a better value than Hinske at over $4 million in 2007? I think so.

[TGov]

Is Nixon at 1 year $3 million a better value than Hinske at over $4 million in 2007? I think so.

 

They should trade Hinske for Nixon, haha...

[Mr Crunchy]

I remember reading an article in our local newspaper when I was a kid' date=' it was about Nixon and how he decided to play Baseball instead of Football. At this point in time he was thinking of playing both. I can't remember but where did he play football and what position? Just curious.[/quote']

 

he signed on at nc state to play qb

the day before school started he signed with us

he was the only guy in the system allowed to wear #7 per his contract despite being in the minors for what seemed to be forever

[Jim_Chandley]

I think he will start. The Guardians are strongly considering keeping Blake at a corner infield position. I also think that they want to give him a shot at that 2004 type of year when he plays almost full time. They would be well served to keep whoever their next option is (probably Delucci) on the bench, because a healthy Nixon would be better. Delucci would also end up getting plenty of at-bats because we all know that a healthy Nixon is an oxymoron.

[schillingouttheks]

Delucci is a great guy to have as a number 9 hitter or a leadoff hitter (won't be in Cleveland with Sizemore though), even a number 2. I doubt he would accept a backup role on the Guardians. Trot will be coming off of the bench and be giving Blake or Delucci a break every now and then. If you want to keep Trot healthy then you don't start him every game.

[Mr Crunchy]

not so sure about that

nixon is what??

32-33 maybe??

after he blew his back out while driving to spring training and then ripped his oblique on a swing and a miss and then popped his quad taking a leak it became fairly evident that this boy was ripe and roided out

now its been a few years since testing started

he may indeed be ok

he also may be finished

 

its a gamble but in my opinion one we shouldve taken considering we have the future 500hr 1600rbi guy in wily mo pena waiting in the wings

right??

 

the more i read the more its painfully obvious that drew will be here at 14M per

the more i read the more im convinced wily mo pena sucks as well

 

god help drew if he comes in here with the malibu freddy lynn body

this isnt la where they dont show till the 3rd inning

this isnt atlanta where they have 2 sports,fall and spring football

this isnt st louis where they politely clap when you hit into a 6-4-3 dp

 

this is boston

a place where grown men still wear their redsox underoos to bed while singing CAAAAAAAAAAAAAARL YAzzzzzzzzzzzTREMSKI

THE MAN THEY CALL YAZ

25 years after he retired

 

memo to jd

double up on the vagisil

[hoke3182]

Is Nixon at 1 year $3 million a better value than Hinske at over $4 million in 2007? I think so.

Absolutely

[TheKilo]

Absolutely

 

 

I'm not surprised.

[god is a redsox FAN]

I'm gonna cry, You will be missed man...He should come and hang out with the guys in the Home Dugout when they come up to boston, he belongs there. Think how weird it's gonna feel for him, being in the opposite dugout.

[Fried Neckbones]

As far as keeping Trot around as a stop-gap for WMP in right, I think the front office is looking at WMP as the future replacement for Manny in left. They need someone who can play D in right at Fenway, whereas you can hide a defensive liability in left. Manny sucks on D, but he also plays the Monster better than anyone. I wouldn't be suprised if they let his guaranteed years play out and let him walk (Manny that is) and start WMP in left in 2009. As for his massive number of k's, holes in swings can be closed (Papi couldn't turn on an inside curve to save his life when he first got to Boston but routinely smokes them into the bullpen these days), and pitch recognition will improve with time - if WMP is willing to work on it. Mark it, dude, starting OF in 2009 - WMP, Ellsbury, Drew.

[Sizzlin22]

They need someone who can play D in right at Fenway' date=' whereas you can hide a defensive liability in left. Manny sucks on D, .[/quote'] I have to disagree. Manny gets a really bad rep defensively for the "Manny Moments" but he is a very solid LF in Fenway. Plays the caroms as well as anyone and has a lightning fast release of the ball with a very accurate arm. There is a reason he is up toward the top of the list in outfield assists every year: people think they can run on him when he's really not that bad.

[TheKilo]

I have to disagree. Manny gets a really bad rep defensively for the "Manny Moments" but he is a very solid LF in Fenway. Plays the caroms as well as anyone and has a lightning fast release of the ball with a very accurate arm. There is a reason he is up toward the top of the list in outfield assists every year: people think they can run on him when he's really not that bad.

 

The wall hides a lot of Manny's shortcomings (IE - He has zero defensive range)

 

You know that going by defensive statistics Barry Bonds was a better fielder than Manny last year?

 

Someone wanna back me up with those FRAA numbers?

[ORS]

The wall hides a lot of Manny's shortcomings (IE - He has zero defensive range)

 

You know that going by defensive statistics Barry Bonds was a better fielder than Manny last year?

 

Someone wanna back me up with those FRAA numbers?

Pretty much every defensive metric does a poor job of accounting for Fenway's LF impact. I'm not saying that Manny should a get a free pass, but he certainly had more range than Bonds, who could hardly run some of the time, last year.

[a700hitter]

The wall hides a lot of Manny's shortcomings (IE - He has zero defensive range)

 

You know that going by defensive statistics Barry Bonds was a better fielder than Manny last year?

 

Someone wanna back me up with those FRAA numbers?

He's made some pretty spectacular catches back at the LF corner in Yankee stadium in recent years.

[riverside sluggers]

how many 04 champs remain now?

 

Nowadays its common to see championship teams (except most part Yankees) being dismantled. Im not saying its good, just the nature of the beast

[a700hitter]

Nowadays its common to see championship teams (except most part Yankees) being dismantled. Im not saying its good' date=' just the nature of the beast[/quote']This may be true and necessary for small market teams like the Diamondbacks and the Marlins, but not for the larger market teams. The 2002 Angels still have 7 players left from their World Series roster. That's the same as the 2004 Red Sox. The 2005 White Sox have about 14 or 15 players left from their WS roster. Both the Cardinals and the White Sox moved fast to sign their key FA's after winning the WS. The Red Sox let Pedro, Lowe and their SS walk immediately. In the second year they let the All Star CF walk. The Red Sox have dismantled their team at a pace exceeded only by the Marlins and what the Marlins did was a disgrace.

[TheKilo]

Pretty much every defensive metric does a poor job of accounting for Fenway's LF impact. I'm not saying that Manny should a get a free pass' date=' but he certainly had more range than Bonds, who could hardly run some of the time, last year.[/quote']

 

While this may be true, no one is going to consider Manny Ramirez even a league average left fielder.

[riverside sluggers]

This may be true and necessary for small market teams like the Diamondbacks and the Marlins' date=' but not for the larger market teams. The 2002 Angels still have 7 players left from their World Series roster. That's the same as the 2004 Red Sox. The 2005 White Sox have about 14 or 15 players left from their WS roster. Both the Cardinals and the White Sox moved fast to sign their key FA's after winning the WS. The Red Sox let[b'] Pedro[/b], Lowe and their SS walk immediately. In the second year they let the All Star CF walk. The Red Sox have dismantled their team at a pace exceeded only by the Marlins and what the Marlins did was a disgrace.

 

Ooh boy are you still on the bashing parade because the Sox let Pedro go? The Pedro today isnt worth a 4 year contract/$$ money. The Sox wouldve right now been crying poor mouth with the extent of injury he is dealing with and how much more time he is set to miss. Whether you like it or not, the Sox did the right thing in not letting into the demands for the contract he wanted

[Mr Crunchy]

manny led all major league outfielders in assists in 05 if im not mistaken

[riverside sluggers]

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/tom_caron/

 

That didnt take long. Trot's #7 will be handed down to replacement JD Drew

[BSN07]

http://www.boston.com/sports/nesn/tom_caron/

 

That didnt take long. Trot's #7 will be handed down to replacement JD Drew

 

 

Ya but you had to see that one coming tho, I mean I did, I figured Drew would be wearing #7, I mean he is a big money FA and they usually want and get there number in most cases.

[ksushi]

It's not like Nixon is a hall of famer, of course they'll give his number away.

[a700hitter]

Ooh boy are you still on the bashing parade because the Sox let Pedro go? The Pedro today isnt worth a 4 year contract/$$ money. The Sox wouldve right now been crying poor mouth with the extent of injury he is dealing with and how much more time he is set to miss. Whether you like it or not' date=' the Sox did the right thing in not letting into the demands for the contract he wanted[/quote']

There is nothing wrong with Lowe, O-Cab, or Damon, and their contracts turned out to be good value. In today's market, a good 2 1/2 years of Pedro is probably worth $40 million. Stop patting the FO on the back, because he got injured. We lost one good year at the beginning of the contract, which might have helped the Sox get back to back Championships, and we don't know what he will produce on the back end yet. $70 million to a douche bag like Drew is like flushing the money down the toilet. They could have kept Damon and Lowe for four seasons for not much more.

[ORS]

There is nothing wrong with Lowe' date=' O-Cab, or Damon, and their contracts turned out to be good value. In today's market, a good 2 1/2 years of Pedro is probably worth $40 million. Stop patting the FO on the back, because he got injured. We lost one good year at the beginning of the contract, which might have helped the Sox get back to back Championships, and we don't know what he will produce on the back end yet. $70 million to a douche bag like Drew is like flushing the money down the toilet. They could have kept Damon and Lowe for four seasons for not much more.[/quote']

But you can't reduce Pedro's contract down to how much he played. He's getting paid $54M for 4 years. Would that $54M for 2.5 good years (and that's assuming another good year, which contradicts your notion that we don't know what he will do in the final year) plus what his 1.5 year replacement costs be a good market value? I'm skeptical.

 

I will say this, you are right about the idea of letting Damon and Lowe go over injury/age concerns not being consistent with the signing of Drew. That said, I think this shows that they have revisited their strategy and adopted one that favors your ideas about the acquisition of talent. At this point, it is too late to bring Damon and Lowe back, so they have to look elsewhere. I just don't see the point of you continuing to bring those two up. They F'ed up and changed their tactic. It's one you agree with. What more do you want?