Didn't see this mentioned

[redsticknation]

but I read an article yesterday in the NY Times that said that if Drew's deal goes sour, and the Giants continued discussions with Bonds don't work out, that the Sox would be interested in signing Bonds to play LF and moving Manny to RF.

 

What are your thoughts on this.

 

I realize it is far-fetched and would kill our defense and clubhouse continuity, but having to face Ortiz, Manny and Bonds at 3-4-5, would be damn hard for most pitchers to do.

[jacksonianmarch]

that would be hilarious.

[VA Sox Fan]

Bonds would never agree to play in "racist" Boston. With all the controversy surrounding him, the Boston media would have a hay day w/ him. I don't think he'd be a good addition to the clubhouse. No doubt he's a great player but I wouldn't want him on the Red Sox.

[TheKilo]

but I read an article yesterday in the NY Times that said that if Drew's deal goes sour, and the Giants continued discussions with Bonds don't work out, that the Sox would be interested in signing Bonds to play LF and moving Manny to RF.

 

What are your thoughts on this.

 

I realize it is far-fetched and would kill our defense and clubhouse continuity, but having to face Ortiz, Manny and Bonds at 3-4-5, would be damn hard for most pitchers to do.

 

 

Who wrote that article? I believe it was Yankees homer murray Chass.

 

Yeah, let's move our worst defensive player into a tougher defensive position. Great idea.

[BudLight]

Any team that would sign Bonds to play on defense day in and day out deserves what they would get. He's one dimensional and that is only when he is able to stand.

[a700hitter]

but I read an article yesterday in the NY Times that said that if Drew's deal goes sour, and the Giants continued discussions with Bonds don't work out, that the Sox would be interested in signing Bonds to play LF and moving Manny to RF.

 

What are your thoughts on this.

 

I realize it is far-fetched and would kill our defense and clubhouse continuity, but having to face Ortiz, Manny and Bonds at 3-4-5, would be damn hard for most pitchers to do.

Replace Drew with Bonds? I vote yes!

[jacksonianmarch]

Any team that would sign Bonds to play on defense day in and day out deserves what they would get. He's one dimensional and that is only when he is able to stand.

 

which one is more injury prone, bonds or drew?

[Mr Crunchy]

papi to 1st 50+ games a year

bonds in left manny dh'ing every 5th day

youk to 3rd 65 games a year and 80 at 1st

lowell 120 games at 3rd with youk and pena platooning the difference??

 

its doable

 

bonds dhing between ortiz and manny??

that would be the best 3-4-5 in history bar none and the holier than thou boston fans who persecute this guy today would learn to love this guy when he hits 40hrs and we win the world series

 

nobody was more nasty,sardonic and introverted than nomar and when he left town people were in tears

bring me bonds

[ANiMAL]

never gunna happen, i highly doubt the sox FO would think about that... but yet again..... with all of the moves theyve been doing this offseason...

[Cocos Disciples]

I'd put Bonds at 1st if this happened. Put Youk at 3rd and put Lowell in a package to get a closer.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I'd put Bonds at 1st if this happened. Put Youk at 3rd and put Lowell in a package to get a closer.

 

Bonds would have a fun time trying to stretch at first base. And I'm sure the Nationals with Ryan Zimmerman at third or the Astros with Ensberg (possible teams to deal with for closer) would have a ton of interest in a 32 year old third baseman with a big contract.

[VA Sox Fan]

Bonds needs to go to another AL team and be a DH. Just not to the Red Sox, I'd take Papi over him any day.

[hoke3182]

No team has intrest in Bonds for 16 mill except the Giants, and thier starting to second geuss that. It's fun to talk about, but it will NEVER EVER happen.

[Linda]

From the NY Times website:

 

January 17, 2007

 

January 17, 2007

On Baseball

Unsigned Bonds Awaits Further Review

By MURRAY CHASS

Six weeks after they agreed to terms on new contracts, Barry Bonds and J. D. Drew remain unsigned. Bonds hasn’t signed with the Giants; Drew hasn’t signed with the Red Sox. That prompts a thought. If both contracts were to fall through, the Red Sox could sign Bonds to play left field and move Manny Ram?rez back to his original position in right.

 

The absence of a contract for the two is highly unusual. Free agents and clubs rarely take this long to complete contracts.

 

Theo Epstein, the Boston general manager, and Scott Boras, Drew’s agent, have made light of the time it has taken them to complete the five-year, $70 million contract. Epstein was on vacation; Boras was attending to other free-agent clients, they said. Except general managers are known to negotiate contracts and trades by telephone while on vacation, and Boras is capable of completing one deal with his left ear while he negotiates another with his right.

 

Drew’s questionable right shoulder has obviously created a problem for the Red Sox, and they are seeking ways to reduce their risk.

 

Bonds’s $16 million contract created more issues for the Giants, but by the end of last week Bonds had backed off many of his stands and was prepared to accept the Giants’ positions. The Giants, however, suddenly slowed the talks, and a resolution has not been reached.

 

A lawyer on the Bonds side said yesterday that they suspect the Giants, reacting to negative news media views in the Bay Area, are exploring ways of getting out of the contract. When an official on the management side with knowledge of the talks was asked yesterday if the deal could blow up, he said, “It’s possible.”

 

Brian Sabean, the Giants’ general manager, did not return a telephone call yesterday seeking comment on the contract circumstances. His secretary, told what the call was about, said she did not think Sabean would comment.

 

Given the chance to comment, Jeff Borris, Bonds’s agent, didn’t. “I can’t really comment on that situation right now,” he said when asked about the contract talks. Could the deal blow up? “I can’t comment on that,” he said.

 

•

 

The Giants did not offer Bonds a contract lightly. They agonized over their decision and even looked for alternatives before making the offer to Bonds, their left fielder for 14 years. He was not necessarily their first choice.

 

They sought a free agent, Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee, and they pursued trades for Ram?rez and Adam Dunn. Failing at each turn, they went back to Bonds.

 

But before offering him a contract, they asked their baseball people for an evaluation of the 42-year-old Bonds as a hitter and a left fielder, and they spoke with some of the team’s veteran players to find out if having Bonds on the team would be a distraction, or be destructive in any way. The response they got was if they would be a better team with him than without him, they should sign him.

 

Those conversations occurred before news emerged last week that Bonds had tested positive for amphetamines and that Bonds said the reason was a substance he took from the locker of a teammate, Mark Sweeney.

 

The Giants haven’t reacted publicly to that incident, and it’s not known if they will use it in an attempt to get out of the contract. If they do, the players union would certainly challenge their action in a grievance. According to the lawyer on Bonds’s side and the official on the management side, the Giants had not raised the incident as an issue.

 

The two sides had plenty of other issues to resolve, but contrary to published reports, the lawyer said, they did not include anything about the Giants’ desire to alter the guarantee language in the contract based on any legal problems that may envelop Bonds from the Balco investigation.

 

One of the thorniest issues was Bonds’s entourage. The Giants erred five years ago by including a provision in Bonds’s five-year, $90 million contract that allowed his personal trainer and assorted other associates access to the Giants’ clubhouse. Bonds wanted to continue that arrangement, but the Giants adamantly opposed it.

 

To get around Commissioner Bud Selig’s rule banning such people from the clubhouse, Bonds proposed that the Giants hire the members of his entourage so they would be club employees and legally allowed in the clubhouse. The Giants had no intention of agreeing to that idea, and even if they had, Selig would have seen through the subterfuge and voided the contracts.

 

Bonds, however, gave up his effort to retain his entourage rights and will be naked in the clubhouse this year, if the contract is completed. Bonds made or was prepared to make other concessions as well. The two sides seemed to be a document away from completing their agreement, but they remain in disagreement.

 

•

 

The remaining issue could be who needs whom more. At this juncture, the Giants would not have a replacement for Bonds as their cleanup hitter and left fielder, but they could still seek one in a trade.

 

Without the Giants, would Bonds have any way of hitting the 22 home runs he needs to break Hank Aaron’s career record? Would another team offer him a contract? If any other teams had been interested in Bonds, they have probably moved past that point.

 

Selig and other baseball officials might welcome a breakdown in the talks between the Giants and Borris, but they can do nothing to facilitate it. Selig cannot call Peter Magowan, the Giants’ managing partner, and urge him not to complete the contract. That call would violate the labor agreement’s rules against collusion.

 

Another collusion case would be far worse than a Bonds home run record.

[TGov]

Bonds would just bring in more fans, which I dont think the Red Sox could get anymore of, I mean they sellout every single night...

I think if Bonds doesnt go back to the Giants he should sign with an AL team, be the DH, maybe with a team like the O's or the As because they lost Frank Thomas this year to the Blue Jays... otherwise... he stays with the Giants...

Bonds will never play in Boston, Bonds thinks Boston is racists for one reason or another and Boston doesn't Need or Want Bonds... it would just be another Manny... but worse...

 

(I just felt like throwing the colors in there)

[example1]

Jesus guys. Seriously. We don't want bonds.

 

Do you guys care about winning more than having dignity and being able to look yourselves in the mirror? Rooting for Bonds is slightly like rooting for Mike Tyson was 5 years ago. He's a loser. He's a liar. He is one of the most egotistical narcissistic players in all of sports.

 

I like winning but I like likeing the Red Sox more.

[a700hitter]

Jesus guys. Seriously. We don't want bonds.

 

Do you guys care about winning more than having dignity and being able to look yourselves in the mirror? Rooting for Bonds is slightly like rooting for Mike Tyson was 5 years ago. He's a loser. He's a liar. He is one of the most egotistical narcissistic players in all of sports.

 

I like winning but I like likeing the Red Sox more.

I like tape measure 3-run Homers.

[Mr Crunchy]

yeah

i mean rooting for roger clemens really pumped my gnads as he's throwing donuts at george kimball and reaming out the city of boston because his wife had to carry her own bags

and then rooting for schilling

a man who took it upon himself to rat out his neighbor for a dui after he left a redsox game,a man so full of himself he reamed out scott williamson for being gutless despite williamson needing another tendon transplant in his elbow??

a real fukin pisser is schilling

rooting for pedro martinez,a man who made 90,000,000.00 in a sox uniform while saying such eloquent things as""THIS OWNERSHIP GROUP DOESNT KNOW ME AS A PERSON,I NEED THEM TO RESPECT ME"" as he left the team to go to the dominica with 10 games left in the season...memo to pedro,i make a lot less,work side by side with my boss and he still calls me john after 8 years.....

 

then you have all worlds like cal ripken who refused to stay in the same hotel as his team

and the venerable randy johnson who never saw his bastard daughter and as hes getting 16,000,000.00 per year tried to reduce his child support payments??

 

doc gooden and darryl strawberry get standing ovations every time they walk into a ny ballpark??

the late steve howe got popped like 10 times for drugs and would still be in the league if he could pitch

 

then you have the nfl and the nba studs

my personal hero,1 larry jo bird left a love child somewhere in bumblef*** indiana that he never,not once,reached out to,the chief robert parrish,all 7'1 beats the s*** and sends his 5'5 100lb wife to the emergency ward after he tossed her down a flight of stairs

the rapist dave meggett

zeke""patriot missile"" mowatt,mighty mack heron,ben""6kids 5 women""coates

tony collins

i mean i could go on forever about the ethically challenged ballplayers who we've admired here in boston

the good reverand irving fryar was a peach

 

yeah

i'd have trouble cheering for bonds

 

i root for the name on the front of the uniform

i dont give a f*** about the name on the back if theyre delivering

 

thats the job for the da's and the police departments

[mosox]

Manny in right would be a disaster of epic proportions.

[BudLight]

Bonds in left trying to chase down the ricochets off the monster would be hilarious

[Mr Crunchy]

the monster would protect him

its a cushion that many a stiff used out there

plus

hes not mike greenwell,a guy who took 5 years off ellis burkes career by being overly aggressive

 

we got the room for a 40hr guy with a .500 obp

[chinese torture]

Barry Bonds is a joke. His life is a joke. His records will always be a joke. He is worse than anyone of those players MR. C mentioned above. He has taken every SF fan for a ride down s*** creek. A player's "off-field" antics are a far removed story than those things a player does on the field. If a player has 35 illegitimate children, you're right Mr. C, we're rooting for the name on the front and we don't really care about the battered spouses, etc. But if you've got a player acting unethically, DURING THE GAME, it's very different. And should be judged and punished very differently. Anyone who roots or would root for Bonds is a joke.

[BudLight]

Look, I can't stand Bonds as a person, but from a purely statistical standpoint, there are few, if any, better in the history of the game. His records are not a joke in total. Juicing only became "illegal" recently, prior to that it was ignored and I would bet over half the players in the game were using some type of "illegal" chemical to enhance performance.

[ORS]

Look' date=' I can't stand Bonds as a person, but from a purely statistical standpoint, there are few, if any, better in the history of the game. His records are not a joke in total. Juicing only became "illegal" recently, prior to that it was ignored and I would bet over half the players in the game were using some type of "illegal" chemical to enhance performance.[/quote']

Not only that, but given some of the names that have come out other than the Balco boys, it appears the river ran deep too. I personally don't have any problem with it. These guys are big enough without the juice to jack it out of the park, and it looks like most of their use was for quick recovery allowing them to play every day. How is that any different than, like Crunch said in another thread, cortizone or pain killers to overcome some pain?

[chinese torture]

How many of the many players that were using, and there were many, countless, went throught the transformation that Bonds and MAC did? They took steroid usage to a new level.

That being said, I can't really make the argument that some steroid usage is ok and a bunch is truely wrong, but there is a difference between Murder and Manslaughter.

[jacksonianmarch]

yeah

i mean rooting for roger clemens really pumped my gnads as he's throwing donuts at george kimball and reaming out the city of boston because his wife had to carry her own bags

and then rooting for schilling

a man who took it upon himself to rat out his neighbor for a dui after he left a redsox game,a man so full of himself he reamed out scott williamson for being gutless despite williamson needing another tendon transplant in his elbow??

a real fukin pisser is schilling

rooting for pedro martinez,a man who made 90,000,000.00 in a sox uniform while saying such eloquent things as""THIS OWNERSHIP GROUP DOESNT KNOW ME AS A PERSON,I NEED THEM TO RESPECT ME"" as he left the team to go to the dominica with 10 games left in the season...memo to pedro,i make a lot less,work side by side with my boss and he still calls me john after 8 years.....

 

then you have all worlds like cal ripken who refused to stay in the same hotel as his team

and the venerable randy johnson who never saw his bastard daughter and as hes getting 16,000,000.00 per year tried to reduce his child support payments??

 

doc gooden and darryl strawberry get standing ovations every time they walk into a ny ballpark??

the late steve howe got popped like 10 times for drugs and would still be in the league if he could pitch

 

then you have the nfl and the nba studs

my personal hero,1 larry jo bird left a love child somewhere in bumblef*** indiana that he never,not once,reached out to,the chief robert parrish,all 7'1 beats the s*** and sends his 5'5 100lb wife to the emergency ward after he tossed her down a flight of stairs

the rapist dave meggett

zeke""patriot missile"" mowatt,mighty mack heron,ben""6kids 5 women""coates

tony collins

i mean i could go on forever about the ethically challenged ballplayers who we've admired here in boston

the good reverand irving fryar was a peach

 

yeah

i'd have trouble cheering for bonds

 

i root for the name on the front of the uniform

i dont give a f*** about the name on the back if theyre delivering

 

thats the job for the da's and the police departments

 

 

this is a very solid post Mr. C. Puts things into perspective.

[redsoxrules]

 

 

we got the room for a 40hr guy with a .500 obp

 

id take that any day

 

ortiz,bonds,manny , we'd be guaranteed to score at least run each time around the lineup

[adam123]

id take that any day

 

ortiz,bonds,manny , we'd be guaranteed to score at least run each time around the lineup

 

come on man if he gets indidted it will bad bad bad ...we dont need his crap to bring us down

[adam123]

yes i am a rookie .. finally made it to big time

[castigs850]

ughh this is a tough one, no one likes bonds as a person and i dont think anyone could make any type of argument for the fact that he is not nearly a good guy. that and the fact that he hates boston and thinks we are all racist wouldnt sit well with me if he were on my team. But there is always a flipside and those numbers he would put up with papi and manny in front of him would be somewhat enourmas. BUT then there is the s*** of an outfield we would have to deal with everyday. if he is a last option he is a hell of a good last option but i would do anything else possible before relying on bonds