manny still going ?

[adam123]

Packaging a starting pitcher (preferably Brad Penny) with a young player (Andre Ethier or Matt Kemp) might be enough to bring proven power to the Dodgers. Manny Ramirez, however, might be tough to get. The Red Sox have insisted that future closer Jonathan Broxton be included in a deal.

-- Los Angeles Times

 

no way .. unless broxton . i dont think this will happen , but eithier hes good

[Fast Freddie]

Was this actually in the LA Times today? I thought I read about that scenario 2 weeks ago.

[elsrbueno]

Packaging a starting pitcher (preferably Brad Penny) with a young player (Andre Ethier or Matt Kemp) might be enough to bring proven power to the Dodgers. Manny Ramirez, however, might be tough to get. The Red Sox have insisted that future closer Jonathan Broxton be included in a deal.

-- Los Angeles Times

 

no way .. unless broxton . i dont think this will happen , but eithier hes good

 

Packaging Penny and Ethier should bring in a bat like Richie Sexson or comprable but nothing close to Manny.

[Fast Freddie]

^^^ Yet another myopic Sox fan.

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If the Sox don't want Manny (or Manny wants out, same thing), and they are looking for a team that can take on his salary, then they shouldn't be asking for the moon in return.

 

LA would be giving up a power pitcher who started the ASG last year, and a guy who was a leader in the ROY choices for most of the season. LA also picks up Manny's huge contract.

 

I'd say that's a pretty good deal for Boston if they are trying to deal Manny.

 

Now, if the Red Sox agreed to pay part of that salary, then LA would probably add more to the deal.

[adam123]

Packaging Penny and Ethier should bring in a bat like Richie Sexson or comprable but nothing close to Manny.

 

ya your right this cant and probably wont just speculation on there part .. we need 3 players in deal

[adam123]

^^^ Yet another myopic Sox fan.

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If the Sox don't want Manny (or Manny wants out, same thing), and they are looking for a team that can take on his salary, then they shouldn't be asking for the moon in return.

 

LA would be giving up a power pitcher who started the ASG last year, and a guy who was a leader in the ROY choices for most of the season. LA also picks up Manny's huge contract.

 

I'd say that's a pretty good deal for Boston if they are trying to deal Manny.

 

Now, if the Red Sox agreed to pay part of that salary, then LA would probably add more to the deal.

 

nice reply .... i like the deal. I saw all the prospects i live in vegas so i see all the games there all good eithier is a jem ... why not put penny as closer ?? hes golden for 2 inn at least he has gass for 2 innnings ? any thoughts

[ORS]

^^^ Yet another myopic Sox fan.

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If the Sox don't want Manny (or Manny wants out, same thing), and they are looking for a team that can take on his salary, then they shouldn't be asking for the moon in return.

 

LA would be giving up a power pitcher who started the ASG last year, and a guy who was a leader in the ROY choices for most of the season. LA also picks up Manny's huge contract.

 

I'd say that's a pretty good deal for Boston if they are trying to deal Manny.

 

Now, if the Red Sox agreed to pay part of that salary, then LA would probably add more to the deal.

I thought you were a Mets fan, but only a Dodger fan could think this.

 

ASG and ROY contender? Hahah, what a joke. Manny is one of the 10 best hitters of all time. No half-season wonder and runner-up in a popularity contest is good enough for an annual .315/.405/.605. They should certainly be asking for the moon in return. A hitter like Manny comes around about every 10-15 years.

[TheKilo]

^^^ Yet another myopic Sox fan.

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If the Sox don't want Manny (or Manny wants out, same thing), and they are looking for a team that can take on his salary, then they shouldn't be asking for the moon in return.

 

LA would be giving up a power pitcher who started the ASG last year, and a guy who was a leader in the ROY choices for most of the season. LA also picks up Manny's huge contract.

 

I'd say that's a pretty good deal for Boston if they are trying to deal Manny.

 

Now, if the Red Sox agreed to pay part of that salary, then LA would probably add more to the deal.

 

 

Manny's salary, especially considering this market, it not that big of an issue. If anything, Manny Ramirez is undervalued today.

 

Why can't the Red Sox do Manny + $ for Broxton/Kemp/Penny? It seems like a perfectly reasonable deal for all parties considered.

 

Of course I'd rather just keep Manny.

[elsrbueno]

^^^ Yet another myopic Sox fan.

 

Let me spell it out for you:

 

If the Sox don't want Manny (or Manny wants out, same thing), and they are looking for a team that can take on his salary, then they shouldn't be asking for the moon in return.

 

LA would be giving up a power pitcher who started the ASG last year, and a guy who was a leader in the ROY choices for most of the season. LA also picks up Manny's huge contract.

 

I'd say that's a pretty good deal for Boston if they are trying to deal Manny.

 

Now, if the Red Sox agreed to pay part of that salary, then LA would probably add more to the deal.

 

Ethier is solid, and he may have had decent stats last year, but until he shows some semblance of sustained success, he could just be Todd Hollandsworth all over again.

 

I've said it on this site and I've said it again, Brad Penny is not an All Star pitcher in the AL East. He gives up too many hits and doesn't log enough strikeouts in the weak NL West, let alone having to face the Yankees, Orioles, Blue Jays and Devil Rays 3 or 4 times each.

 

I'd rather have Manny being Manny at $20 million than Penny being Penny for $7.5 million.

[Mr Crunchy]

the nl west is what i refer to as AAAA ball

of the 4 nl west teams,all would have a hard time getting by tampa bay to finish out of the al east cellar

[Fast Freddie]

the nl west is what i refer to as AAAA ball

of the 4 nl west teams,all would have a hard time getting by tampa bay to finish out of the al east cellar

 

You're full of s***.

[Papelbon58]

well woesn't that a reasonable reaction

[ORS]

You're full of s***.

Truth hurts, huh?

 

The proof will come shortly. The NAAAAtional League West faces off with the toughest division in baseball this year. If you want some souveniers, Manny is visiting Chavez Ravine this year. I recommend the LF bleachers.

 

EDIT: Oh yeah, I almost forgot. You guys have D-Lowe. He gets to see the AL East hitters again. You'll probably get to see your first "Derek Lowe Face".

[Cityofchampions33]

I mean honestly, if we wrecked the Mets, I doubt the Dodgers could fend off the O's or Rays with ease. I'm not saying their a bad team, but you have to admit the AL is waay more powerful now-a-days.

[Fast Freddie]

I mean honestly' date=' if we wrecked the Mets, I doubt the Dodgers could fend off the O's or Rays with ease. I'm not saying their a bad team, but you have to admit the AL is waay more powerful now-a-days.[/quote']

 

Care to post the record from the last series between LAD and the Sox?

 

Other than the playoffs (when Drew forgot how to run the bases), LA did fine against the Mets. If you're using that to gage how good the NL West is, then you have problems.

 

LA takes one of TB's best starting pitchers in Hendrickson and sends him to their bullpen. that's enough to tell me where they stand vs the AL East.

 

All I see in the AL East are 2 teams who spend cash like there's no tomorrow, and the myopic fans of those teams think they (and their division apparently) own baseball.

[SCM33]

Manny isnt going anywhere. He esoecially isnt going anywhere until the Drew thing is finalized. Manny would also have to be willing to waive his no trade clause and by all indictations, he wants to stay on the east coast. Why would he go to the other side of the country when all his roots are in either Boston, Cleveland and Newyork?

 

No matter what is offered, I think Manny denies the deal. I think hed rather stay closer to home and play in Boston.

[redsoxrules]

 

Other than the playoffs (when Drew forgot how to run the bases), LA did fine against the Mets. If you're using that to gage how good the NL West is, then you have problems.

 

 

LA did fine against the mets? what were you watching

[jacksonianmarch]

um...yeah...you got kinda swept. How did you do again?

[Cocos Disciples]

He did say other than the playoffs...

[SCM33]

LA takes one of TB's best starting pitchers in Hendrickson and sends him to their bullpen. that's enough to tell me where they stand vs the AL East.

 

So your comparing the Tampa Devil Rays starting pitchers who pitch in the bullpen for LA to the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees? Your comparing the Devil Rays, who have finished last every single season they have existed and their starting pitchers to top powers in the AL EAST?

 

Bad comparison dude.

 

BTW...RedSox in interleague play....

16-2 in 06

12-6 in 05,

9-9 in 04, 2-1 against LA in 04

11-7 in 03

5-12 in 02

10-8 in 01

9-9 in 00

6-12 in 99

9-7 in 98

6-9 in 97

93-81 .534 WP All-time interleague

 

LA in interleauge play...

5-10 in 06

5-13 in 05

10-8 in 04

11-7 in 03

12-6 in 02

6-9 in 01

6-9 in 00

8-7 in 99

8-5 in 98

9-7 in 97

80-81 Total .496 WP All-time interleague

 

 

ALL time...

AL baseball- 1249 wins during interleague play

NL baseball- 1162 wins during interleague play

 

World Series since 1903

AL 60 WS wins

NL 41 WS wins

 

No world series in 1904 and 1994.

 

 

Yeah, AL is better. A lot better. Owned.

[Vinny]

So your comparing the Tampa Devil Rays starting pitchers who pitch in the bullpen for LA to the Boston Red Sox or New York Yankees? Your comparing the Devil Rays, who have finished last every single season they have existed and their starting pitchers to top powers in the AL EAST?

 

Bad comparison dude.

 

BTW...RedSox in interleague play....

16-2 in 06

12-6 in 05,

9-9 in 04, 2-1 against LA in 04

11-7 in 03

5-12 in 02

10-8 in 01

9-9 in 00

6-12 in 99

9-7 in 98

6-9 in 97

93-81 .534 WP All-time interleague

 

LA in interleauge play...

5-10 in 06

5-13 in 05

10-8 in 04

11-7 in 03

12-6 in 02

6-9 in 01

6-9 in 00

8-7 in 99

8-5 in 98

9-7 in 97

80-81 Total .496 WP All-time interleague

 

 

ALL time...

AL baseball- 1249 wins during interleague play

NL baseball- 1162 wins during interleague play

 

World Series since 1903

AL 60 WS wins

NL 41 WS wins

 

No world series in 1904 and 1994.

 

 

Yeah, AL is better. A lot better. Owned.

It looks pretty close to me. Other than the last couple of years. And those AL WS wins are Yankee wins. I wouldn't be so proud of them if I was Sox fan. Don't forget what happened in 02 when the Red Sox went to L.A.

[SCM33]

It looks pretty close to me. Other than the last couple of years. And those AL WS wins are Yankee wins. I wouldn't be so proud of them if I was Sox fan. Don't forget what happened in 02 when the Red Sox went to L.A.

 

 

 

You can make an account for every category if youd like. Thing is though, those numbers do not lie bro. I love how you throw a jab in there about the Yankees too, classic...thing is those numbers have nothing to do with the Yankees.....I simply stated the AL has won 60% of all WS titles, thats all. I said nothing about what team won more WS or anythign to that nature. So your jab is taken lightly. Yankees are an AL team, and the AL has won the WS in a landslide.

 

And having 10 more interleague wins than another team really isn't close considering they play under twenty games a year.

 

He said bring up the last series, which I did, and the Sox went 2-1 vs. LA....again, yourjust trying to justify the fact and save face maybe?

Here it is for proof:

Care to post the record from the last series between LAD and the Sox?

 

 

I then noticed how you did not say anything about the fact the AL has almost 100 more wins than the NL in interleague play.

 

 

EDIT: and since interleague play started, AL has won 6, NL 4, RedSox 1, LA Dodgers........wait oh yeah, none

[TheKilo]

Since when do the '04 and '02 versions of the teams affect where they stand now?

[jacksonianmarch]

dude, the NL is the JV league. Their pitchers come over here and suck. They go to your league they are good. For example, look at the entire cardinals pitching staff. Carpenter couldnt cut it in Toronto, Suppan was run out of Boston, Weaver was run out of the ALWest for god sakes. They won a world series against a team that couldnt hit but got hot at the right time. BTW, if the NL is so good, why was the AL 56 games over .500 against the NL last season?

[jacksonianmarch]

154-98 to be exact.

[Papelbon58]

It looks pretty close to me. Other than the last couple of years. And those AL WS wins are Yankee wins. I wouldn't be so proud of them if I was Sox fan. Don't forget what happened in 02 when the Red Sox went to L.A.

 

THe Yankees have won 26 World Series. The AL has won 60. 34 is a little more than a couple.

[Cocos Disciples]

34

[Vinny]

Yeah, AL is better. A lot better. Owned.

This is what you said.

 

You didn't simply state the AL has won 60 % of WS. The fact is the AL is on a the upswing when it comes to overall talent. It's only been in the last few years though. 100 games is not really that much when your talking about how many games they have played. Overall talent in the league doesn't lead into WS rings. And the fact is that the Yankees have dominated the AL, without them the AL would look alot weaker.

[Papelbon58]

thanks Coco

[Vinny]

EDIT: and since interleague play started, AL has won 6, NL 4, RedSox 1, LA Dodgers........wait oh yeah, none

Wow give a team a ring after 70 some years and they think they're elite.