Drew on board

[riverside sluggers]

The Nats have a hole in left field and Bowden really likes Wily Mo. Give him the playing time he deserves, and make a good deal for some young pitching

[ORS]

i think this is a sighn that mannys going no where .. it was just a plow to keep him happy .

 

but jd drew man he could be something i ithink he knows mannys gonna stay

A plow? Does he spend a lot of time tending the farm in the offseason? Hey Manny, get your head out of the rutabagas and make sure you heal up that knee.

[arbitrary]

mmmm...rutabagas, maybe he wants to move to a farm team.

 

Sorry, it just came to me. I'll try to dig up something better next time.

[adam123]

mmmm...rutabagas, maybe he wants to move to a farm team.

 

Sorry, it just came to me. I'll try to dig up something better next time.

 

sorry man my spell check was off .. i think the red sox did it just to see what they could get from other teams .. i think hes gonna stay ??? 345 we have some pop

[jacksonianmarch]

I just dont see how the sox make it their life's goal to stay under the cap, then blow it away this season. It really doesnt make a ton of sense.

[arbitrary]

This seemed like more of any honest attempt to trade Manny.

 

I'd love for Manny to stay. Ever since Pedro left he seems to want to leave as well. We need to make him some friends on the team, and certain boston sports writters should be shot.

 

Damnit Manny go make friends.

[schillingouttheks]

I just dont see how the sox make it their life's goal to stay under the cap' date=' then blow it away this season. It really doesnt make a ton of sense.[/quote']

 

Yes, it does actually. They needed to change their philosophy because while they were following their old one, they started to suck after 2004 (which wasn't Theo and the FO's philosophy alone, Duquette played a role). So, they started to spend more money, thereby changing their philosophy, with hopes of a better result on the field. It's really not that difficult to comprehend.

[MANNYHOF24]

Yes' date=' it does actually. They needed to change their philosophy because while they were following their old one, they started to suck after 2004 (which wasn't Theo and the FO's philosophy alone, Duquette played a role). So, they started to spend more money, thereby changing their philosophy, with hopes of a better result on the field. It's really not that difficult to comprehend.[/quote']

 

Well said.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes' date=' it does actually. They needed to change their philosophy because while they were following their old one, they started to suck after 2004 (which wasn't Theo and the FO's philosophy alone, Duquette played a role). So, they started to spend more money, thereby changing their philosophy, with hopes of a better result on the field. It's really not that difficult to comprehend.[/quote']

 

Duquette played an integral role in the sox winning the world series. His "bad contracts" were the ones that won the sox a world series. And the best trade of the century was during his watch (I believe) (Tek/Lowe for Slocumb). So are we to say that Theo was completely full of s*** all these years? Is he admitting his mistakes and now he is just as dumb as any other GM who got lucky one yr and won a WS?

 

He is essentially proving his hypocrisy. Do not tell me that the guy just noticed that his philosophies suck. He has made a philosophical belief inside of his team that they are not the yankees and now they are becoming the Yankees Jr.

[TheKilo]

Duquette played an integral role in the sox winning the world series. His "bad contracts" were the ones that won the sox a world series. And the best trade of the century was during his watch (I believe) (Tek/Lowe for Slocumb). So are we to say that Theo was completely full of s*** all these years? Is he admitting his mistakes and now he is just as dumb as any other GM who got lucky one yr and won a WS?

 

He is essentially proving his hypocrisy. Do not tell me that the guy just noticed that his philosophies suck. He has made a philosophical belief inside of his team that they are not the yankees and now they are becoming the Yankees Jr.

 

 

OH MY GOD SHUT THE f*** UP.

 

Duqette brought in a lot of key pieces to the 2004 team. Theo brought in the pieces that put them over the top.

 

Why didn't Duquette make the playoffs in '01, '02 if he had such stacked teams.

[Cocos Disciples]

Actually the 2001 and 2002 teams were/had the potential to be very good. In 2001 it was mainly the injuries. In 2002 they had a real good team, 2 20 game winners, Manny, Nomar, and Johnny Damon, just not the right luck to make it into the playoffs.

[Cityofchampions33]

You could split that championship equally between the two GMs. Yes Duquette borught in Tek, Lowe, Manny, Pedro, and otehrs. But Theo brought in Schilling, Ortiz, Foulke, Mueller and others.

And how do his philosophies suck? His resume has been pretty good to this point, and he doens't even ahve a long enough track record to say his philosophies have gotten him nowhere. I mean he proved the whole importance of defense single handedly in 04, and that pitching wins over everything. His offensive theories ahve gotten him the top offenses in the AL for the year before 06. The only place he seems to struggle is the bullpen, which is not really his fault, I mean no one can predict Foulke's injury, or that others would fail.

[jacksonianmarch]

OH MY GOD SHUT THE f*** UP.

 

Duqette brought in a lot of key pieces to the 2004 team. Theo brought in the pieces that put them over the top.

 

Why didn't Duquette make the playoffs in '01, '02 if he had such stacked teams.

 

his pen exploded.

 

Also, Theo's #1 choice for 3b was not Bill Mueller. It was Edgardo Alfonzo who proceeded to explode in SF. That is luck. I remember reports of him breaking a chair when Alfonzo landed in SF. He took Millar from Japan for god sakes. Arroyo worked out, etc. It was sheer luck. The big pieces were there in Pedro, Lowe, Wake, Manny, Damon, Vtek, Nixon etc. Theo signed Ortiz and nobody could have thought he would be THIS good.

 

At the same time, since the championship, his luck ran out. He lets Pedro walk which left them with one injured ace. Lowe leaves as well. Wells comes in and gives the sox 1.5 seasons. Clement comes in and gives one good half season. Renteria exploded. Foulke went south. He dealt away the NL batting champion for 2 players who didnt make the postseason roster. He dealt away 2 solid rookies and 2 other power arms for a guy who didnt work out in yr 1. Thing is, Theo got very lucky with his moves and it turned the team into a f***ing powerhouse in 2004. He then dismantled them and tried bargain basement s*** that blew up in his face and left him without high level prospects in the minor leagues.

 

The only way to guarantee (essentially) that you will stay competetitive is to spend. Theo kept rebuffing this belief by calling the yankees the evil empire (I know Lucchino) and then saying that "we arent the yankees" while the sox sunk to 3rd place. Now that his "finding value" belief has been shown to essentially be total luck, he is flexing his financial muscle. The fans should be completely ecstatic about his change in philosophy, but the guy is also showing that he is flat out a hypocrit.

[Bosoxwest]

It's not as black and white as a philosophy of "don't spend" vs. "spend". The FO has stated they will spend but not beyond perceived value. There have certainly been instances where the valuation process has been off, but I don't see any shift in philosophy here. In terms of pure payroll, Schilling comes off the books next year, and Manny the year after that. In that interim period indicators are that top tier free agents will continue to inflate in price, so they may feel that the value proposition is signing these guys long-term now.

 

In terms of current market value the two recent deals are not that insane really. Carlos Lee recieved $3.7 Mil per year, per WARP (based on his 5-yr avg.), which is ridiculous. Drew received $2.5 Mil per, and Lugo $1.9 Mil per, based on the same. Of course Drew has injury concerns but a couple of those really are fluke, and there are no guarantees for any player. It's a risk, and time will tell how it pans out.

 

The FO has made moves to try to acquire cheap talent through development (Paps, Lester, Pedroia) and trade (Crisp, Beckett), and now as a big market team are spending to acquire needed top-tier talent. It's in keeping with what I would expect from a $120Mil payroll team, from a fiscal perspective, and I think it's in keeping with their fiscal philosophy for the past 3-4 years. Also, I don't think anyone can argue it's not in keeping with what needs to be done to compete with the current Yankee roster. Look again; they are simply stacked.

 

Now, in terms of talent evaluation, we certainly have some bones to pick with the FO, but that's another few threads...

[ORS]

You missed the biggest missing piece. Petey's complimentary starter, Curt.

 

He's had a couple of OK offseasons, and one wretched one. The wretched one made them rethink their approach. Shame on them for learning from their mistakes. I know you'd prefer it if they kept trying to shove the square peg into the round hole, but that's just not the way the business works.

[noonanberg]

I would just like to point out that among other things, J.D. Drew is making as much money as..............

 

 

Albert Pujols

[Bud]

we really overpaid for this guy. He is the opposite of clutch and is fragile. We'll be lucky if he plays for more than 100 games next season.

[riverside sluggers]

we really overpaid for this guy. He is the opposite of clutch and is fragile. We'll be lucky if he plays for more than 100 games next season.

 

2 out of the last 3 seasons he's played 145 games, and hasnt had real health concerns since before 2004. He is not Trot Nixon

[Mr Crunchy]

does anyone know what the other teams were offering drew??

 

seems to me we were the only game in town for his services

 

somewhere in the world of los angeles and ny baseball there are people wetting their pants in laughter

[BudLight]

does anyone know what the other teams were offering drew??

 

seems to me we were the only game in town for his services

 

somewhere in the world of los angeles and ny baseball there are people wetting their pants in laughter

 

 

When did Steinbrenner start influencing Theo's decisions? Drew is a very capable player, but not worth the $14M per they are giving him. Did he get another opt out clause in this contract? He's a merc, more the type of player that George would have signed in NY than Theo in Boston. I think the tide has shifted in ridiculous spending from NY to Boston. Ha, Ha, oops, time to change pants again

[jacksonianmarch]

When did Steinbrenner start influencing Theo's decisions? Drew is a very capable player' date=' but not worth the $14M per they are giving him. Did he get another opt out clause in this contract? He's a merc, more the type of player that George would have signed in NY than Theo in Boston. I think the tide has shifted in ridiculous spending from NY to Boston. Ha, Ha, oops, time to change pants again [/quote']

 

I agree BudLight. The guy will be a serviceable role player, but he isnt your prototypical middle of the order bat. As a matter of fact, lets see how he stacks up against the rest of the ALE #5 hitters.

 

For the Yankees

Giambi

For the Jays

Glaus

For the Orioles

Hernandez

For the Rays

Wigginton

For the Sox

Drew

 

Sheerly on offense, Drew is likely the 3rd best #5 in the AL East alone, not to mention the rest of the majors. And he gets 14mil? Insanity.

[Bud]

I agree BudLight. The guy will be a serviceable role player, but he isnt your prototypical middle of the order bat. As a matter of fact, lets see how he stacks up against the rest of the ALE #5 hitters.

 

For the Yankees

Giambi

For the Jays

Glaus

For the Orioles

Hernandez

For the Rays

Wigginton

For the Sox

Drew

 

Sheerly on offense, Drew is likely the 3rd best #5 in the AL East alone, not to mention the rest of the majors. And he gets 14mil? Insanity.

 

yup - there's no way a guy like Drew should be making the same amount of money as Pujols

[Mr Crunchy]

and again i ask

who else was bidding for this guy??

 

there all a lot of stupid owners in bball

start with hicks in texas and go all the way to reinsdorf(who seems to be have smartened up since albert bell) and angelos in baltimore,mccourt in la who cant pay his machine rentals on time yet drops 50M on juan pierre and the nittwits in dc who let soriano walk

 

but this??

i dont wont and refuse to understand

we refused to inherit salary in july because of these so called fiscal restraints

we were in 1st place and the yankees were to be had

we stood pat and ended up behind toronto

 

now??

we're spending like we own the us mint on guys who quite frankly arent all that

lugo is good

drew is decent

neither will be allstars yet theyre making 23M between them??

 

i guess when the bleacher seats are 100 a yo we can again say

IN THEO WE TRUST

 

unless ortiz figures out that drew is making more than he is

then we may indeed have a problem

[jacksonianmarch]

Imagine for a second that Ortiz was a FA right now. How much would he command? I'd say, at age 31, we might have another 20mil a yr player, and he's a friggin DH!!! He really hurt himself signing another less than market deal.

[BSN07]

I see some on here would "bitch if you where hung with a new rope". Lets wait until the season actually starts and we see what we have. Instead of bashing these guys before they even get into town for a physical.

 

The market went beserk this year, thats not the FO fault. AGON for 15 million. Sorry he has a great glove, but hes not worth that in the AL. You be crying if Cora was playing SS opening day. What the f*** do you want? For them to pull one out of thin air? Lugo was the best available option and they had to pay him like the best available option. Drew was the best fit for RF, and we payed him like he was. Unless we wanted WMP, Hinske, or any other FA( Guillen, Bonds, Gonzalez ect.) playing for us. If that was the case, everyone would bitch about that. As far as Nixon goes, yes we could have brought him back for cheap, but still get no production.

 

We could have not spent any money and stood pat with what we had, finished 3rd in the division if we where lucky, and again everyone would bitch.

 

Don't be daft in bringing up Drew makes as much as Pujols either. Hes not a FA this year in this market, and if he was he probably easy get 20 Million a year. Pujols is a bargain right now considering how the market blew up. 14M a year is not what it was as even compared to last years market. It's called inflation people, get used to it, it won't go down, these contracts in a couple of years might be considered bargains.

 

As far as bleacher seats going to 100 bucks, o f***ing well, thats what we get for wanting to keep Fenway Park alive and kicking. If you don't like it drive to Baltimore for a weekend series or watch games on tv in HI DEF.

 

And if you don't like how the team spends money, then go cheer for KC or PIT. They spent money on the best available players at market prices, they didn't set the market and have no contol over it. They spent the money to try and IMPROVE the team. I for one would much rather have what they have now then the s***** run of the mill team we fielded last year. As far as I'm conserned this team is alot better then last years, and without the transaction we would have been lucky to finish 3rd.

[riverside sluggers]

Imagine for a second that Ortiz was a FA right now. How much would he command? I'd say' date=' at age 31, we might have another 20mil a yr player, and he's a friggin DH!!! He really hurt himself signing another less than market deal.[/quote']

 

With some players its not about all the money, he loved the team and fans that come with living in Boston. Youre faulting with the guy because of that? Oh good I feel Ortiz's pain... who could live on $52 million? Honestly

 

"He's a frigging DH!!!" Well that frigging DH is making his case to be the best there is and isnt actually a slouch when he has to hit. That is just what I hear anyway.

[Mr Crunchy]

5 shortstops in 4 years??

and we traded the nl rookie of the year who was a.......shortstop who will be a 30/30 maybe a 30/60 guy

we pay edgar rent 19M for 1 year of league leading 34 error service??

 

what do i want??

some f***ing sanity is all

[BSN07]

I agree Crunchy in stability. But the only one we should have kept was OC. Renteria didn't like BOS and most everyone wanted him gone, AGON was great but we need someone with some sort of a bat. As much as everyone is bitching about money, 15M is too much to give to a one sided SS in the AL.

[riverside sluggers]

does anyone know what the other teams were offering drew??

 

seems to me we were the only game in town for his services

 

somewhere in the world of los angeles and ny baseball there are people wetting their pants in laughter

 

The Chicago Cubs were hot on the tails for JD Drew's services so the Sox knew they had to get something done?

 

Does anyone not comprehend that this offseason, all contracts are going to be inflated? I guarantee if Damon was a free agent this season... he'd be getting the same type of contract offer. Cmon Carlos Lee is a DH in 2 or 3 years and he signed a 6 year deal with the Astros for $100 million. Gary Matthews Jr had a career year and got 5 years 50 million. Juan Pierre has got speed and thats about, 5 years/$44 million for you. Drew is much better than those last 2 so obviously Boras played the comparison cards.

 

Obviously now the Sox were not thinking seriously about Wily Mo in right field and felt Drew was the best route. Again he is a major upgrade over Trot so thats a bonus right there

[jacksonianmarch]

The Chicago Cubs were hot on the tails for JD Drew's services so the Sox knew they had to get something done?

 

Does anyone not comprehend that this offseason, all contracts are going to be inflated? I guarantee if Damon was a free agent this season... he'd be getting the same type of contract offer. Cmon Carlos Lee is a DH in 2 or 3 years and he signed a 6 year deal with the Astros for $100 million. Gary Matthews Jr had a career year and got 5 years 50 million. Juan Pierre has got speed and thats about, 5 years/$44 million for you. Drew is much better than those last 2 so obviously Boras played the comparison cards.

 

Obviously now the Sox were not thinking seriously about Wily Mo in right field and felt Drew was the best route. Again he is a major upgrade over Trot so thats a bonus right there

 

No, the cubs were NOT on Drew's trail. Once they signed Soriano, they had too many OFers for spots. Getting Drew would have been another annoyance. But you should thank the cubbies for making the sox eat a few extra mil if they truly did drive up the price.