Dontrelle to Yanks?

[example1]

The logic seems to be faulty. What if Dontrelle gets injured? Also, lets say Sanchez becomes a good pitcher...less likely to get traded. There are risks either way.

 

It's a double-edged sword.

 

My logic would seem to be faulty if there were any substantial discussion going on about moving Dontrelle Willis. I haven't heard any yet so, thus far at least, it appears that the Marlins aren't going to move him immediately. They aren't overly concerned about the possibility of him getting injured at this point.

[TheKilo]

I'm also fairly sure that if the Marlins wanted to move Willis, they could probably get a better package than Melky, Proctor, Sanchez and Duncan. Melky is about an average outfielder, with little power but skills in other areas. Proctor they may go for, only because they need some bullpen help. I'll be honest when I say that I don't know much about Sanchez, and what I've heard from Duncan is he's been sliding down the Yankees prospect list the last few years.

 

Like ORS said a couple of posts ago, it might benefit them to go for quality of young talent over quantity. If the Yankees made an offer of Hughes/Proctor for Willis, then I think the Fish do that deal.

[Gom]

I'm also fairly sure that if the Marlins wanted to move Willis, they could probably get a better package than Melky, Proctor, Sanchez and Duncan. Melky is about an average outfielder, with little power but skills in other areas. Proctor they may go for, only because they need some bullpen help. I'll be honest when I say that I don't know much about Sanchez, and what I've heard from Duncan is he's been sliding down the Yankees prospect list the last few years.

 

Like ORS said a couple of posts ago, it might benefit them to go for quality of young talent over quantity. If the Yankees made an offer of Hughes/Proctor for Willis, then I think the Fish do that deal.

 

That would be tough to turn down from a Yankees perspective...I hate to give up Hughes...but a front three of Wang, Willis, and Mussina is as good as they come.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gom, are you crazy? I am not too high on willis, so I would not even consider moving Hughes. Not for him. The yankees may be better off seeing what they have before they try to get someone. Their upper level pitching is very promising and could net something in season.

[TheKilo]

Gom' date=' are you crazy? I am not too high on willis, so I would not even consider moving Hughes. Not for him. The yankees may be better off seeing what they have before they try to get someone. Their upper level pitching is very promising and could net something in season.[/quote']

 

 

But all you're doing is hoping Hughes becomes what Willis already is...who is to say that Hughes won't be a diappointment when he hits the bigs? Odds are he won't be, but if he turns into Dontrelle Willis you'd be ecstatic.

 

One of the biggest reasons for developing prospects is so you can move them for young, proven, MLB ready talent. Right now, that's what Willis is. Maybe one day Hughes will be.

[jacksonianmarch]

At the same time though, how many of these top prospect for young talent deals blow up in people's faces? Willis and his herky jerky motion will lend to injuries.

[TheKilo]

At the same time though' date=' how many of these top prospect for young talent deals blow up in people's faces? Willis and his herky jerky motion will lend to injuries.[/quote']

 

He's started 32, 34, and 34 games the last three years.

 

He's been in the league for four years now and hasn't really missed significant time due to injury. That could change, sure, but all I'm saying is his delivery has not led to an injury yet.

[Gom]

But all you're doing is hoping Hughes becomes what Willis already is...who is to say that Hughes won't be a diappointment when he hits the bigs? Odds are he won't be, but if he turns into Dontrelle Willis you'd be ecstatic.

 

One of the biggest reasons for developing prospects is so you can move them for young, proven, MLB ready talent. Right now, that's what Willis is. Maybe one day Hughes will be.

 

True. However, I am sure the Marlins will take less than Hughes in a package. If Hughes becomes Willis, then it's obviously a bad deal for the Yanks. I still think a Sanchez/Proctor/Cabrera/Duncan deal can get done though. Maybe even without Proctor. Who knows?

 

I'd love to see him in pinstripes, but I think the Marlins are nuts to trade him.

[ARod2212]

But all you're doing is hoping Hughes becomes what Willis already is...who is to say that Hughes won't be a diappointment when he hits the bigs? Odds are he won't be, but if he turns into Dontrelle Willis you'd be ecstatic.

 

One of the biggest reasons for developing prospects is so you can move them for young, proven, MLB ready talent. Right now, that's what Willis is. Maybe one day Hughes will be.

I think he can be better than Willis, which plays into the "I don't want to trade him" mindset. Hughes has been compared favorably to Roger Clemens, and I don't want to trade a 20 year old Roger Clemens.

[TheKilo]

I think he can be better than Willis' date=' which plays into the "I don't want to trade him" mindset. Hughes has been compared favorably to Roger Clemens, and I don't want to trade a 20 year old Roger Clemens.[/quote']

 

I honestly don't think the Yankees get Willis without parting with Hughes.

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly don't think the Yankees get Willis without parting with Hughes.

 

depends on their direction. Willis is due to make a lot of money this yr. Consider that last yr he set a record in first yr eligibility and he did not disappoint this yr. He could be in double figures before you know it and the marlins may not be happy with that.

[TheKilo]

he's good but not there yet? He led the majors in wins in his second season in the majors. That is about as top tier as you get right now. I am not sure if that is an indictment on the league or props to Wang' date=' but it is what it is.[/quote']

 

lol

[jacksonianmarch]

He won 19 games this yr kilo. He sucked this postseason, but you cannot deny that he was one of the best pitchers in the AL this yr.

[TheKilo]

He won 19 games this yr kilo. He sucked this postseason' date=' but you cannot deny that he was one of the best pitchers in the AL this yr.[/quote']

 

You just said he was a #3 at best. How is he top tier then?

 

BESIDES WINS ARE ONE OF THE WORST STATS TO JUDGE THE WORTH OF A PITCHER

[schillingouttheks]

Beckett could have won 25 games if he had the Yankees' lineup.

[jacksonianmarch]

You guys arent following.

 

This season he was one of the best in the league. He was the same last yr. I know that wins are a team dependent stat, but at the same time, they do count for something. That being said, 2 consecutive yrs of 19 wins and a 3.7 ish era is damn good. So yes, he has been one of the best pitchers in the AL over the past 2 yrs.

 

But he isnt a prototypical ace and essentially fits as a middle of the rotation (hence #3) kind of pitcher because he is better over the course of the season than you can stick him for in one game. That isnt true for the so called aces like Santana or Beckett this yr. Both of those guys have the shut down stuff to rise to the occasion in a winer take all kind of scenario and that is the kind of guy we need to acquire.

[TheKilo]

You guys arent following.

 

This season he was one of the best in the league. He was the same last yr. I know that wins are a team dependent stat, but at the same time, they do count for something. That being said, 2 consecutive yrs of 19 wins and a 3.7 ish era is damn good. So yes, he has been one of the best pitchers in the AL over the past 2 yrs.

 

But he isnt a prototypical ace and essentially fits as a middle of the rotation (hence #3) kind of pitcher because he is better over the course of the season than you can stick him for in one game. That isnt true for the so called aces like Santana or Beckett this yr. Both of those guys have the shut down stuff to rise to the occasion in a winer take all kind of scenario and that is the kind of guy we need to acquire.

 

So you're having your cake and eating it too. Gotcha.

[jacksonianmarch]

So you're having your cake and eating it too. Gotcha.

 

Wang is unique. I am sure most anyone will agree with that statement. He doesnt fit into most conventional categories, but the one category that he certainly doesnt fill is team ace. Doesnt mean he isnt one of the best pitchers in the league, he just doesnt have the kind of shut down stuff you need out of your top spot in the rotation.

[redsoxrules]

wang is not one of the best pitchers in the league , I wouldn't even put him in the top 10 in MLB , 25 other starting pitchers in MLB had better ERA than wang this year ( 13 in the AL)

[TheKilo]

http://baseballprospectus.com/statistics/sortable/index.php?cid=204030

 

VORP for pitchers....Wang is 20th behind the likes of Aaron Harang, Javier Vazquez, and Tim Hudson.