Trading Manny

[jacksonianmarch]

I heard they had a secret sex tape, she strapped one on and ole Danny Boy was loving it.

[BSN07]

It does sound as tho ol Manny boy will be playing LF next season. With Drew, and maybe Lugo signed, it's has the potential to be a very nice line up. If i'm doing the lineup card( assuming Drew and Lugo sign) this is what mine would look like.

 

1.SS Lugo

2.RF Drew( he is going to have way better numbers if Papi and Manny are behind him, not infront of him)

3.DH Papi

4.LF Manny

5.3B Lowell

6.1B Youk

7. C Varitek

8.CF Crisp

9. 2B Pedroia

 

I think using Drew in the number 2 hole will benifit more then having him hit behind the big boppers. His OBP is nice and they should drive him on a regular basis.

 

If there is no Manny trade, maybe we can pick up a young 1B like ATL laroche so that Youk can be moved to 3rd and Lowell sent out for a middle relief guy. But if not thats's still not a shabby lineup.

[jacksonianmarch]

It does sound as tho ol Manny boy will be playing LF next season. With Drew, and maybe Lugo signed, it's has the potential to be a very nice line up. If i'm doing the lineup card( assuming Drew and Lugo sign) this is what mine would look like.

 

1.SS Lugo

2.RF Drew( he is going to have way better numbers if Papi and Manny are behind him, not infront of him)

3.DH Papi

4.LF Manny

5.3B Lowell

6.1B Youk

7. C Varitek

8.CF Crisp

9. 2B Pedroia

 

I think using Drew in the number 2 hole will benifit more then having him hit behind the big boppers. His OBP is nice and they should drive him on a regular basis.

 

If there is no Manny trade, maybe we can pick up a young 1B like ATL laroche so that Youk can be moved to 3rd and Lowell sent out for a middle relief guy. But if not thats's still not a shabby lineup.

 

 

I still think there is no way that the scrooging sox FO will shoulder 35mil in yearly salary for 2 corner OFs. If that is the case, expect Matsuzaka to be going back to Japan.

[riverside sluggers]

Id still prefer to see Drew bat 5th. Ive heard historically that is where he has hit best, and it gives very good protection for Manny instead of Lowell or Varitek

[MANNYHOF24]

I still think there is no way that the scrooging sox FO will shoulder 35mil in yearly salary for 2 corner OFs. If that is the case' date=' expect Matsuzaka to be going back to Japan.[/quote']

 

you keep saying if the Sox are intersted in Drew than Manny is gone... Well no that it appears you are wrong you are trying to say that we arnt going to get D-Mat, keep wishing Yankee fan.

[riverside sluggers]

I still think there is no way that the scrooging sox FO will shoulder 35mil in yearly salary for 2 corner OFs. If that is the case' date=' expect Matsuzaka to be going back to Japan.[/quote']

 

Sox will back off of Matsuzaka because they have both Manny & Drew in the lineup? Im sure they cant wait to roll out a rotation that includes Snyder as the 5th starter. Theyre set to increase their payroll to the limit, a deal will be done. If its not, it means they arent playing for 2007 either

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox will back off of Matsuzaka because they have both Manny & Drew in the lineup? Im sure they cant wait to roll out a rotation that includes Snyder as the 5th starter. Theyre set to increase their payroll to the limit' date=' a deal will be done. If its not, it means they arent playing for 2007 either[/quote']

 

They dropped 32 mil in payroll. They are adding 15 in Drew, Foulke likely back for 6, Timlin back for 3, Wake back for 4, Okajima for 2, Cora for 2. That is 32 right there. Add in a SS, a closer, some pen and the 9 mil in annual increases in payroll with a few arb eligible guys to boot and the sox are already at the limit prior to Matsuzaka signing anything.

[BSN07]

There payroll is going to be a bit larger if the keep Manny, Drew and sign Matsuzaka. But Manny is only on the payroll this year and next year. Then he will be off the books. After next season, Schilling, Wakefield,Timlin, Lowell will all be off the payroll. So there only looking at one season with a bloated payroll. It's not out of the question they have all these players on roster.

 

 

Schilling-14 million

Wake-3-4 million

Timlin- 3 million

Lowell- 9 million

 

thats 30 million of next year.

[jacksonianmarch]

There payroll is going to be a bit larger if the keep Manny' date=' Drew and sign Matsuzaka. But Manny is only on the payroll this year and next year. Then he will be off the books. After next season, Schilling, Wakefield,Timlin will all be off the payroll. So there only looking at one season with a bloated payroll. It's not out of the question they have all these players on roster.[/quote']

 

the sox have made it known that they do not want to be over the lux tax limit. If Manny stays, then there is no way they wont be.

[rician blast]

Larry Merchant is a douche bag.

 

In 2003 Lennox Lewis fought Vitali Klitschko...6 months PRIOR to the date he had originally planned for him. So Lewis comes in at like 260 lbs. and started slowly...Klitschko out-pointing him slightly through the first several rounds.

 

By the 6th Lewis is taking charge, not in number of punches but certainly in the damage they're doing.

 

He splits Klitschko open like a ripe melon, and the fight is stopped before the start of the 7th.

 

Larry merchant interviews him and fkn basically tells Lewis he was out of shape, would have lost if the fight went on, etc.

 

You want to interview the champ...yet instead of performing your journalistic duties, you badger the guy?

 

Lewis should have told him to go fk himself and walked away, but he was too classy to stoop to that level.

 

Yeah, he needs a serious beat down.

[Mr Crunchy]

the bottom 3rd was lousy last year

agon hit what?? .250 but most of it came in a 10 week stretch when he was pushing 300 for a while

tek was brutal

douggie was below mendoza

pedroia was too

cora seemed to play better when he was used situationally

lowell was great with the glove,mediocre with the stick

 

our spark was missing,the catalyst if you will

he was in ny doing his thing and i didnt think i'd miss him this much a year later

but i do

coco will need to shine this year

[MANNYHOF24]

They dropped 32 mil in payroll. They are adding 15 in Drew' date=' Foulke likely back for 6, Timlin back for 3, Wake back for 4, Okajima for 2, Cora for 2. That is 32 right there. Add in a SS, a closer, some pen and the 9 mil in annual increases in payroll with a few arb eligible guys to boot and the sox are already at the limit prior to Matsuzaka signing anything.[/quote']

 

So are you saying the sox FO is unwilling to increase payroll, becuase thats not what they have been saying since the end of the season.

[jacksonianmarch]

So are you saying the sox FO is unwilling to increase payroll' date=' becuase thats not what they have been saying since the end of the season.[/quote']

 

I know they are increasing payroll. That isnt the point. The lux tax limit increased from 135 to 148 I believe. Consider everything I just posted, and consider also that the sox have been dead set against going over that limit. Then figure out how to fit the square peg in the round hole and you may have something there.

[rician blast]

has anyone seen jackie macmullen and dan shaughnessy in the same room??

 

Or

Ronald McDonald, or

Art Garfunkel, or

Carol Burnett, or

Pippi Longstocking?

 

All one in the same, I fear.

[Mr Crunchy]

i see youve followed larrys career jimma

 

after the hamsho fight im 10 rows behind haglers interview and im watching it on tv

""MARVIN(he refused to call him marvelous) YOU DONT REALLY THINK THAT YOU CAN BEAT THOMAS HEARNS WITH AN EFFORT LIKE THIS(2nd round ko)

 

and to haglers credit

LARRY,YOUVE BEEN DOUBTING ME FOREVER,WHEN WILL YOU LEARN

2 fights later,april 15th 1985 if memory serves sean patrick well

tommy hearns is on his back,eyes rolling into his head in the 3rd round and hagler is screaming

LARRY....

COME ON OVER HERE LARRY,I HEARD YOU HAD 5K ON HEARNS...LLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAARY

WHEN YOU GONNA LEARN BITCH...WHEN YOU GONNA LISTEN MUTHAf***A

and larry couldnt do the interview

instead lampley had to get it all as larry was hiding like the **** of a dog he really is

[MANNYHOF24]

The sox have been over the lux tax before, I think in 04 and 05, why would they care if they went a little bit over. They have money, they are a pretty sucsesful franchise wouldnt you say?

[Mr Crunchy]

art garfunkel??

 

6 words

the horror

the horror

the horror

[rician blast]

Are you going to Scarborough Fair?

 

My guess is that's a carnival in P-Town.

[BSN07]

With the players under contract right now there hovering around 100 million. If the LT is 148 million, that means they have 48 million to spend. 14 mill for drew, 8 for Lugo( 4 years 32 million is what hes asking), 13 for DMAT( thats Santanna, Holliday money), and 3 million for some closer. Thats 38 million, they still be 10 million left for the BP.And once all the players are gone next year( see my last post), they will be around 108 million at the beginning of next off season. Is it that hard to believe they can do this?

[jacksonianmarch]

The sox have been over the lux tax before' date=' I think in 04 and 05, why would they care if they went a little bit over. They have money, they are a pretty sucsesful franchise wouldnt you say?[/quote']

 

 

 

On August 1st, Theo delivers his "We aren't the yankees" speech

In November, he says that he does not want to exceed the lux tax (granted throught the boston media so who knows if he said anything)

Then he spends 51.1 mil on a japanese import prior to being able to sign him

Then he signs Drew. Then he forgets about his pen.

Now he is set to have a team over the 150mil mark, something that only the yankees have ever done and he is about to break the salary cap. Plus, with the 51mil bid is on pace to be making the highest single season expenditure of any team this season. If he breaks the lux tax limit, then he will only further show that he is 100% full of s***. Then again, he has completely contradicted himself before. We'll see.

[jacksonianmarch]

With the players under contract right now there hovering around 100 million. If the LT is 148 million' date=' that means they have 48 million to spend. 14 mill for drew, 8 for Lugo( 4 years 32 million is what hes asking), 13 for DMAT( thats Santanna, Holliday money), and 3 million for some closer. Thats 38 million, they still be 10 million left for the BP.And once all the players are gone next year( see my last post), they will be around 108 million at the beginning of next off season. Is it that hard to believe they can do this?[/quote']

 

 

Consider this, first of all the 100mil was the number last season of players who were not already signed (like Timlin). That 100mil is at least 109 because the annual salaries of the red sox under contract currently will rise by 9 mil next season. Also factor in that the sox have a couple arb eligible players. That will likely take them to 113 prior to any signings. That means that they will have 35 mil to play with. Drew 15, Cora 2, Okajima 2,Timlin 3, Wakefield 4, Foulke likely back at 6. That is 32 mil right there. Consider that the sox currently lack a SS, a closer, a middle relief and have not signed Matsuzaka and you have a recipe for a team WELL over 148 mil.

[rician blast]

oh, never heard that one, but love it.

 

Yeah, Merchant is a fkn creep. just the way they handle the close-out of a boxing telecast with him waxing poetic (when he should really be standing in the unemployement line waxing the 12" double-headed donger he's gonna sit on later that night) has always bugged me.

 

Larry...you are not the event. You are a parasite and a coward and deserve to be locked in a room with a horny Mike Tyson and no vaseline.

[BSN07]

Jackson, I usally see your points, but the Sox like I said are right around 100 million as of right now. They can get what they need with the 48 million they have left if they need to. And like I said next year at this time we will be back down around 108 million and will be ready to spend again.:thumbsup: All i'm saying is we might be over for one season, but we will be back down next year. One season over the LT isn't bad. How long have the NYY been over it? 5 years or so?

[SuperManny]

On August 1st, Theo delivers his "We aren't the yankees" speech

In November, he says that he does not want to exceed the lux tax (granted throught the boston media so who knows if he said anything)

Then he spends 51.1 mil on a japanese import prior to being able to sign him

Then he signs Drew. Then he forgets about his pen.

Now he is set to have a team over the 150mil mark, something that only the yankees have ever done and he is about to break the salary cap. Plus, with the 51mil bid is on pace to be making the highest single season expenditure of any team this season. If he breaks the lux tax limit, then he will only further show that he is 100% full of s***. Then again, he has completely contradicted himself before. We'll see.

 

 

When Theo gave the "we aren't the yankees speach" he said that they couldn't just go crazy like the Yankees and have 4-5 OFers making $10M+ a year. He said that they had to pick their battles where they could and thats what they did with Matsuzaka. The $51M doesn't count toward the luxury tax limit so in that sense it helps out and the FO felt he was the best SP on the market. The Sox needed a serious upgrade in the pitching department so they spent the money. In terms of Drew, I don't think they would have went after him if they didn't believe Manny was gone. If you subtract out Manny's contract then the Sox payroll won't go up much but thats left to be seen.

 

It seems like all you do here is complain though so it probably doesn't matter if theres reason behind the moves. Your probably the same type of "fan" that bitched and moaned at the trading deadline when the Sox passed on the aging Abreu and would have bitched and moaned if the Sox weren't signing anyone this offseason.

[SuperManny]

Consider this' date=' first of all the 100mil was the number last season of players who were not already signed (like Timlin). That 100mil is at least 109 because the annual salaries of the red sox under contract currently will rise by 9 mil next season. Also factor in that the sox have a couple arb eligible players. That will likely take them to 113 prior to any signings. That means that they will have 35 mil to play with. Drew 15, Cora 2, Okajima 2,Timlin 3, Wakefield 4, Foulke likely back at 6. That is 32 mil right there. Consider that the sox currently lack a SS, a closer, a middle relief and have not signed Matsuzaka and you have a recipe for a team WELL over 148 mil.[/quote']

 

 

Luxury tax limit uses AAV and not actual contract value for any given year so the $9M increase in salaries from last year doesn't matter for luxury tax purposes.

[BSN07]

SuperManny, hes a NYY fan:thumbdown: No Offense Jackson:D

[jacksonianmarch]

When Theo gave the "we aren't the yankees speach" he said that they couldn't just go crazy like the Yankees and have 4-5 OFers making $10M+ a year. He said that they had to pick their battles where they could and thats what they did with Matsuzaka. The $51M doesn't count toward the luxury tax limit so in that sense it helps out and the FO felt he was the best SP on the market. The Sox needed a serious upgrade in the pitching department so they spent the money. In terms of Drew, I don't think they would have went after him if they didn't believe Manny was gone. If you subtract out Manny's contract then the Sox payroll won't go up much but thats left to be seen.

 

It seems like all you do here is complain though so it probably doesn't matter if theres reason behind the moves. Your probably the same type of "fan" that bitched and moaned at the trading deadline when the Sox passed on the aging Abreu and would have bitched and moaned if the Sox weren't signing anyone this offseason.

 

The aging Abreu, I love it. He was the guy who threw dirt on the sox grave last yr, yet he is aging. LOL.

 

As for my point, my point is that Manny will likely be dealt. This bears out in the payroll numbers. Subtracting Manny's 18 mil gives them some money to fill the holes not filled by the trades and will keep them under the tax. If he is kept the sox will likely be operating in the 160-165 range, which is a lot of money and with the 51.1 spent on Matsuzaka would be the single highest amount of money spent on players in one season, ever(not just lux tax mind you). So I think he will be traded, unless Theo wants to single handedly prove to everyone that the sox do have the capacity to be the yankees if they wanted to.

[Mr Crunchy]

jimmys place on 2nd ave and 48th? i think

 

larry used to drink there after the garden fights which i used to attend a couple times a year

jimmy died a couple years back but i hear ole larry still goes in to get cheap scotch

 

**** that he is

[jacksonianmarch]

Luxury tax limit uses AAV and not actual contract value for any given year so the $9M increase in salaries from last year doesn't matter for luxury tax purposes.

 

then why was Mussina's 19mil considered when the AAV of his contract was in the 16mil range? I think you are wrong on this one. Clement's cap number jumped from 5 to 9 last season.

[SuperManny]

The aging Abreu, I love it. He was the guy who threw dirt on the sox grave last yr, yet he is aging. LOL.

 

As for my point, my point is that Manny will likely be dealt. This bears out in the payroll numbers. Subtracting Manny's 18 mil gives them some money to fill the holes not filled by the trades and will keep them under the tax. If he is kept the sox will likely be operating in the 160-165 range, which is a lot of money and with the 51.1 spent on Matsuzaka would be the single highest amount of money spent on players in one season, ever(not just lux tax mind you). So I think he will be traded, unless Theo wants to single handedly prove to everyone that the sox do have the capacity to be the yankees if they wanted to.

 

Abreu is a very good player but he wasn't the right fit for the Sox last year. You have to remember that Trot was still healthy at the trade deadline so there wasn't a need for Abreu and rumors were at the time that he would demand his contract options be picked up if traded. The Sox weren't going to win with Abreu even if they could have predicted Trot's injury.

 

As for the AAV being used in luxury tax limit, I'm almost certain thats how its done. I have no idea why Mussina's AAV wasn't used if it wasn't as I don't really follow the Yankees payroll or luxury tax number.