manny and who else could be traded?

[scaffolds]

The talk about Manny getting traded at the baseball Winter meeting is picking up steam day by day, but according to some talk it seems that it would be a packaged deal instead of Manny being dealt by himself. earlier in the off season there was talk that Coco Crisp or Wily Mo Pena could be traded, but if Manny its traded its very likely that both will be in the Sox outfield in 2007. If neither Crisp or Pena isn't traded Who would it be. In my opinion one of this three would be part of the seal.

 

1- Kevin Youkilis

2- David Murphy

3- Matt Clement

[Bosoxwest]

Scaff, Youks may not be the biggest 1B bat around, but can this team afford to lose him if they're getting back arms and unproven positional players in the Manny trade? He accounts for a fair number of runs. If they somehow pull off a deal for Teixeira then yeah, I could see him going, but otherwise who plays first? Murphy I could definitely see going somewhere, he doesn't seem to fit.

[Papelbon58]

I definitely see Youk staying. I absolutely agree on Murphy and Clement. I also see the Sox trying to sell Abe Alvarez as a good prospect, even though he is no more than mediocre.

[Gom]

Manny could go, and Clement would only go in a salary dump. No one is taking that salary period. If went up on irrevocable waivers, he would clear them.

 

I think letting Manny go is a mistake. It will definitely haunt you guys. For that reason, as a Yankee fan, I hope you trade him.

[Fried Neckbones]

It would be great to get rid of Clement, but who is going to take him and what are the Sox going to get back? He is a headcase (even before that line drive he took off his head), and isn't he still injured? And he's in the last year of his contract.

 

Murphy would be a good one to throw into a package, too. Young, upside, and (as said before) seems to be an odd man out with regard to future plans.

[scaffolds]

I do agree that trading Manny is a mistake, but having a unhappy Manny on the team is also a problem. Drew and Lugo isn't enough to help the loss of Manny, they need to up grade first base and Youkilis is cheap and tradeable, while his bat isn't strong because he can play a couple of positions organizations might be interested.

[Fried Neckbones]

I do agree that trading Manny is a mistake' date=' but having a unhappy Manny on the team is also a problem. Drew and Lugo isn't enough to help the loss of Manny, they need to up grade first base and Youkilis is cheap and tradeable, while his bat isn't strong because he can play a couple of positions organizations might be interested.[/quote']

 

It seems like now would be a good time for the front office to make a decision on Manny. Either trade him, and pursue it aggressivly with his cooperation (since he is a 10-5 guy), or keep him at least until his option years and let it be known that he is not going anywhere.

[TedWilliams101]

Any trade involving Manny is a mistake. Even if you put Drew behind Ortiz, which would be pretty bad for a cleanup hitter, Ortiz would always be walked. You need Manny hitting behind him for protection. The lineup is looking weak enough as it is. Unless we are getting Young and Tex or Pujols, or Johan Santana, it is a bad trade.

 

How about this, why doesn't the front office try to please Manny. Maybe he's upset at our organization? Why don't we do everything we can to make one of the best hitters in baseball happy. If it means having to DEAL with him, well, that comes with the job.

[Fried Neckbones]

How about this' date=' why doesn't the front office try to please Manny. Maybe he's upset at our organization? Why don't we do everything we can to make one of the best hitters in baseball happy. If it means having to DEAL with him, well, that comes with the job.[/quote']

 

They have been trying to make Manny happy ever since he got here, and he has been doing the same crap year in and year out. He will NEVER be totally happy playing and living in Boston.

[TedWilliams101]

I just don't see how he would be happy anywhere else. Any team he goes to he will attract a lot of attention and will privacy problems. If he is traded, he will be on a playoff contender, meaning lots and lots of attention.

[redsoxrules]

They have been trying to make Manny happy ever since he got here' date=' and he has been doing the same crap year in and year out. He will NEVER be totally happy playing and living in Boston.[/quote']

 

and yet he still puts up crazy offensive numbers so who gives a s*** if he's happy or not playing in boston

[MANNYHOF24]

you know what would be really great if the Red Sox and a team complete a trade, and Manny Vetos it. You know its just Manny being Manny.

[a700hitter]

you know what would be really great if the Red Sox and a team complete a trade' date=' and Manny Vetos it. You know its just Manny being Manny.[/quote']

It wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[example1]

SF is the ideal place for him to go.

 

They would replace one slugger with another. He would take an average team to a slightly above average team, still without any pitching. They wouldn't play the sox and already have a lot of competition to get to the WS in the NL (Mets, Cards, Braves, San Diego, etc.,). Go ahead, let's get a deal done with SF out of any team in baseball (except perhaps Arizona) that's where I would want him if my intention was to never have him face my pitchers or impact my daily happiness.

[Beckett95]

and what do you think we can get back from SF??

 

Id love Cain but it aint happening

[example1]

and what do you think we can get back from SF??

 

Id love Cain but it aint happening

 

I really don't think the Sox are looking to get anything from SF for them. Part of me envisions them doing a deal like this:

 

Manny for "whatever Atlanta wants from SF"

 

"Whatever Atlanta wants from SF" + Someone from the Sox (WMP?) for Andruw Jones.

 

Nothing is set in stone, but I can't imagine what other type of player they would be looking for. That would leave an outfield of Crisp (LF), Jones (CF) and Drew (RF). that's a damn good outfield and seems at least somewhat realistic.

[schillingouttheks]

So basically, we're trading Manny AND Wily Mo Pena for Jones?

[Beckett95]

So basically' date=' we're trading Manny AND Wily Mo Pena for Jones?[/quote']

 

No thanks

 

Id move Manny and Crisp tho for Jones and a good bullpen guy

[schillingouttheks]

Who from that atrocious Atlanta bullpen would you trade for? Aside from Wickman, none of them are any good. And even Wickman's a stretch (though he can be really effective).

[example1]

So basically' date=' we're trading Manny AND Wily Mo Pena for Jones?[/quote']

 

I would happily unload Manny for Jones. The reason I said we may have to throw something in was because I don't think SF has the prospect package that ATL would want. I could see SF sending an arm or OF'er to the Sox along with a portion of the Jones package.

 

This is all hypothetical anyway, so it doesn't matter.

 

The point is that the the best chance to get a return that will keep us competitive (if not dominant) this season will need to involve prospects and possibly giving up another piece.

[jacksonianmarch]

they compared Manny's #s to Drews on the radio and it was not even close. Every other yr the guy dips down to 100 or less games played and guess which yr is coming up? (Hint he played 140+ last season).

[ORS]

Damn, not the every other year is a bad/injured year rule?!? His '05 injury was a random accident not chronic. Do you really get off predicting injuries for our players? Seems like you can't refrain from it. Keep hoping.

[Beckett95]

i think D Murphy and E Martinez could be moved for some relief pitcher. Maybe to PIT for Torres or Capps

[mar_022]

i think D Murphy and E Martinez could be moved for some relief pitcher. Maybe to PIT for Torres or Capps

 

if we're dealing with pitt, i'd like to see damaso marte come back our way. obviously, i'd love mike gonzalez too, but hes probably not going anywhere, plus he has injury problems. i'm just getting fed up with the orioles creating such a deep, solid bullpen while our FO has done nothing (that we know of, of course) to improve our pen.

[Papelbon58]

Here is a Manny trade for everyone to consider: (just my idea)

 

Manny Ramirez and maybe Mike Lowell? or a medium prospect

for

Howie Kendrick, Orlando Cabrera and Scot Shields

 

Or to Dodgers for Kemp, Nomar and Billingsley.

 

Frankly, I am looking for a corner infielder, and it does not matter which position, because Youk can play either. Mike Lowell can be upgraded and there are tons of guys who would do the trick. Orlando Cabrera is my top pick for SS.

[Papelbon58]

I really don't think the Sox are looking to get anything from SF for them. Part of me envisions them doing a deal like this:

 

Manny for "whatever Atlanta wants from SF"

 

"Whatever Atlanta wants from SF" + Someone from the Sox (WMP?) for Andruw Jones.

 

Nothing is set in stone, but I can't imagine what other type of player they would be looking for. That would leave an outfield of Crisp (LF), Jones (CF) and Drew (RF). that's a damn good outfield and seems at least somewhat realistic.

 

Throw in 3B Willy Aybar from Atlanta and I could definitely go for that.

[BSN07]

LAA isn't going to be part of a Manny trade anymore with them signing Matthews to a lucrative contract. The Dodgers deal is around what I expect if Manny is moved. I've heard good things about Kemp and billingsly. I think there would have to be atleast one more player coming from the Dodgers, but i'm really not sure who. I like the idea of A. Jones coming to take Manny's spot. He's clutch, good D, Maybe a little impatient at the plate, but great power numbers. Crisp and 2 prospects to ATL for Jones might work, but only if Jones is willing to sign a contract extension. I don't want a rent a player. If A. Jones comes in, the that makes Jacob Ellsbury expendable, maybe he's part of the deal to ATL.

 

If that all goes down, your looking at an OF that looks like, Kemp/WMP LF, Jones CF, and if they get the deal done( like everyone is assuming) Drew in RF. That not a bad OF, Defensive wise and Offensive wise, if Kemp starts over WMP that is.

 

If they don't get Lugo, maybe the third player in the""Manny to LA" trade we can get a young an upcoming SS. I'm not sure if LA even has one, but it be nice. I wouldn't mine seeing the Sox as a younger, hungrier team.

[Texas_Red_Sox_Fan]

Remeber David Oriz was released cause he lacked power and he became a HR magnet. So lets say we move Pena in front of Papi and give him the pitches to swing at. He may end up with 30+ HR's Papi with 30+ and Drew hitting in Fenway with 25+ Hr's. Not shabby.

[Papelbon58]

the Dodgers are not really the place to look for that, no

[CrespoBlows]

Remeber David Oriz was released cause he lacked power and he became a HR magnet. So lets say we move Pena in front of Papi and give him the pitches to swing at. He may end up with 30+ HR's Papi with 30+ and Drew hitting in Fenway with 25+ Hr's. Not shabby.

 

The two are incomparable. David Ortiz drew 100 walks in a season, twice. Do you ever see Wily Mo Pena doing that?

 

If he improves his selection, he can hit 40 HR's, but he can't be considered an elite hitter if he's swinging at pitches that have already bounced.