Chad Cordero

[jacksonianmarch]

Ok, sorry for my ignorance, I don't get to watch our young guys pitch in the minors, or watch them come up. I more or less hear what everyone else says about them.

 

Who in the minors is considered to be a hi prospect arm and ML ready in a couple of years? The 3 B's, Lester(if healthy), Hansen and Delcarmen( I know both are on Sox ML team now).If theres anymore please feel free to add on here.

 

With that list there and i'm sure i'm missing some. Not all of them will work out or maintain the hi expectations, with that said would it be that bad to move a couple of them now while they are thought to be hi valued? One or two of those guys should fetch a premeire SS( which to my understanding, we don't have in our farm system). Would it be that bad of a trade?

 

jsinger would better answer that question, but the sox have a lot of lower level prospects. Bowden, Bard, Buchholz are all promising arms, but none have sniffed AA. That likely means that they wont even touch the majors until 2009 if they arent pressed into duty, like they were with Lester.

[Ray10]

Chad Cordero would be a great pickup for the Red Sox. But If they did end up trading Willy Mo for Cordero then who would start in right field for the Sox next year. Im thinking they'd have to go with Eric Hinske. Don't get me wrong I would love for the Sox to get Cordero but the only thing that worries me is the whole right fielder situation.

[TheKilo]

Chad Cordero would be a great pickup for the Red Sox. But If they did end up trading Willy Mo for Cordero then who would start in right field for the Sox next year. Im thinking they'd have to go with Eric Hinske. Don't get me wrong I would love for the Sox to get Cordero but the only thing that worries me is the whole right fielder situation.

 

 

 

JD Drew.

[BSN07]

Drew is gonna either be to expensive or want too many years so I wouldn't pencil him into the RF spot yet. It looks as tho more and more WMP will be in RF. Or maybe CF with Crisp in RF, which would be better D wise but Crisp has little to no arm. I'm not sure if i'm ready to right off Hinske yet. He was AL rookie of the year just a few years ago. If he show to be better in RF then WMP he might get the starting job.

 

As far as Cordero goes, I was just reading what Bowden is trying to get for N. Johnson. He wants the moon as usual, so if he wants that much for a decent 1B, then he's gonna want the rest of the solar system for Cordero. So don't hold your breath on that one.

[TheKilo]

Drew is gonna either be to expensive or want too many years so I wouldn't pencil him into the RF spot yet. It looks as tho more and more WMP will be in RF. Or maybe CF with Crisp in RF, which would be better D wise but Crisp has little to no arm. I'm not sure if i'm ready to right off Hinske yet. He was AL rookie of the year just a few years ago. If he show to be better in RF then WMP he might get the starting job.

 

As far as Cordero goes, I was just reading what Bowden is trying to get for N. Johnson. He wants the moon as usual, so if he wants that much for a decent 1B, then he's gonna want the rest of the solar system for Cordero. So don't hold your breath on that one.

 

 

If WMP can net Cordero, you know the Sox will throw the $$ at Drew.

[BSN07]

Yes that be nice. I at one time believed it might because of Bowden's "Love"for WMP. But have changed my thoughts and reasoning. Bowden was said to want one of the top prospects of the NYY, for Nick Johnson. Cordero is worth far more the Johnson and I can't imagine now what Bowden wants for him.

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes that be nice. I at one time believed it might because of Bowden's "Love"for WMP. But have changed my thoughts and reasoning. Bowden was said to want one of the top prospects of the NYY' date=' for Nick Johnson. Cordero is worth far more the Johnson and I can't imagine now what Bowden wants for him.[/quote']

 

There is a reason why Bowden will shop Nick Johnson before he shops Cordero. Cordero is cheap right now, as this past season was only his third full season in the majors. Johnson is going into his last yr of control by the Nationals as it will be his sixth full season in the bigs. Also, Johnson has played 140 games once in his career and that was last yr prior to fracturing his femur. He is a guy who stil has value now, but is a risk to hang onto because

A- he could get hurt again

B- he could walk after the yr

 

Therefore, he will likely be on the block while Cordero will have to be pried from Bowden's grasp.

[Beckett95]

ESPN.com

 

Washington asked for Craig Hansen and Clay Bucholtz for Chad Cordero

[BSN07]

If thats the case they should have maybe considered it. Thats not a half bad package for the best young closer in baseball.

[a700hitter]

Do it. By time Bucholz gets here, Cordero will have 90 or 100 Red Sox saves under his belt. Hansen is falling from major league prospect status every time he takes the hill for the Red Sox. It's only a matter of time before he has no value on the trading market.

[Beckett95]

I agree, but Gammons says that there is no shot of it happening. Bucholz is just a prospect that we have no idea about and Hansen has struggled at the big league level. Id do it.

[Rdsxmbnt]

do you guys even know who clay bucholz is?

[Beckett95]

he's a pitching prospect who's upside wont be any better than Bronson Arroyo probably

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah I know who Buchholz is. I also know that Chad Cordero is the best closing option we have right now. If we can sign Matsuzaka, our rotation of the future can be Mats, Beckett, Paps, Lester, Bowden, or FA's if 1+ of them don't work out. Buchholz isn't completely indispensable. And Hansen was supposed to close...but Cordero is so much better than him, he can be dealt as well. If thats the deal on the table, and we can do it without hurting out offense by dealing WMP, do it.

[a700hitter]

do you guys even know who clay bucholz is?

As I stated in a previous post, by the time he gets to Fenway Cordero will have 90 to 100 saves under his belt and maybe a World Championship. If Bucholz fulfills his potential, the Sox can make a trade offer to get him back years down the road when he becomes arbitration eligible. Let's take the saves now and let another organization develop Bucholz. The Red Sox organization is not that good at developing pitching talent.

[riverside sluggers]

Yeah I know who Buchholz is. I also know that Chad Cordero is the best closing option we have right now. If we can sign Matsuzaka' date=' our rotation of the future can be Mats, Beckett, Paps, Lester, Bowden, or FA's if 1+ of them don't work out. Buchholz isn't completely indispensable. And Hansen was supposed to close...but Cordero is so much better than him, he can be dealt as well. If thats the deal on the table, and we can do it without hurting out offense by dealing WMP, do it.[/quote']

 

I think many Sox fans are reluctant to see other prospects be traded away-- Freddy Sanchez, Mike Gonzalez, Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Kelly Shoppach, Cla Meredith, Andy Marte (Bill James sees a breakout year in 07)

[Beckett95]

I think Bucholz is definetley expendable

 

SP under 26

 

Papelbon

Beckett

Matsuzaka (possibly)

Lester

 

than 1 of these guys as a #4 or 5 starter

Bowden

Bard

K. Johnson

Gabbard

Pauley

 

how many dominant closer are out there that are under 26???

 

Cordero

K-Rod

Street

Jenks...maybe

Ray...maybe

[a700hitter]

I think many Sox fans are reluctant to see other prospects be traded away-- Freddy Sanchez' date=' Mike Gonzalez, Hanley Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Kelly Shoppach, Cla Meredith, Andy Marte (Bill James sees a breakout year in 07)[/quote']Hanley would not have gotten a shot with the Sox in '06. He made 26 errors in the low pressure environment of Fla. Under the scrutiny in Boston, he would have been eaten alive. We can always try to get him back when he's eligible for arbitration or a FA. Boston is not a good place to give a job to an untested kid. I think we'll see that in action with Pedroia in '07. Our second base position is going to be the weak link on the '07 team and Cora will be playing way more than will make us comfortable. We got good value for Hanley and Anibel. Cordero would be good value for Bucholz and Hansen. Let Washington develop these kids. We will have a $`150+ million dollar payroll. A team with a payroll like that cannot wait 2-3 years for players to develop when a key component like a closer is missing from the major league roster. If they are now going to spend $150 + Million, they had better be making a strong run at the playoffs, and you can't do that without a good closer.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I wouldnt mind trading some prospects for Cordero, but trading our two best prospects (Ellsbury and Buchholz) would not be a wise move, both could probaly crack the top 20 prospects in baseball by seasons end, and just like we saw with hanley, clay, anabeil, sanchez, etc. we will see Hansen go to Washington and probaly end up being pretty nearly as good as Cordero. This has happened way too many times recently, lets stop digging our own grave here by trading guys who will be key pieces in the near future.

[Beckett95]

I wouldnt mind trading some prospects for Cordero' date=' but trading our two best prospects ([b']Ellsbury[/b] and Buchholz) would not be a wise move, both could probaly crack the top 20 prospects in baseball by seasons end, and just like we saw with hanley, clay, anabeil, sanchez, etc. we will see Hansen go to Washington and probaly end up being pretty nearly as good as Cordero. This has happened way too many times recently, lets stop digging our own grave here by trading guys who will be key pieces in the near future.

 

ellsbury?? The deals Hansen and Bucholz

[a700hitter]

I wouldnt mind trading some prospects for Cordero' date=' but trading our two best prospects (Ellsbury and Buchholz) would not be a wise move, both could probaly crack the top 20 prospects in baseball by seasons end, and just like we saw with hanley, clay, anabeil, sanchez, etc. we will see Hansen go to Washington and probaly end up being pretty nearly as good as Cordero. This has happened way too many times recently, lets stop digging our own grave here by trading guys who will be key pieces in the near future.[/quote']Who mentioned Ellsbury? I thought we were discussing Bucholz and Hansen.

[riverside sluggers]

I think Bucholz is definetley expendable

 

SP under 26

 

Papelbon

Beckett

Matsuzaka (possibly)

Lester

 

That is true, I was just referring to the people Ive talked to outside of taksox and listening to WEEI. The Sox have in the system: Bucholz, Bowden and Bard. All 3 are expected to make the majors around the same time, exception being that the Sox could hopefully already have 4 slots filled. I would be for a Bucholz (would rather have Bowden included)/Hansen trade. But Gammons has indicated the Sox turned down such a trade

[a700hitter]

That is true' date=' I was just referring to the people Ive talked to outside of taksox and listening to WEEI. The Sox have in the system: Bucholz, Bowden and Bard. All 3 are expected to make the majors around the same time, exception being that the Sox could hopefully already have 4 slots filled. I would be for a Bucholz (would rather have Bowden included)/Hansen trade. But Gammons has indicated the Sox turned down such a trade[/quote']Just what we need 3 rookies hitting the starting rotation at the same time. That should make us look like the Royals for a few years. I'll be happy if one of those guys becomes a reliable starter for the Red Sox in 2- 3 years. If a second one makes it, I would be extremely surprised, but there would be 1-2 years of separation between the two cracking the rotation.

[riverside sluggers]

All I said was that all 3 are expected to make the majors around the same time (all 3 are estimated 2009/2010). Where did I say that they are slotted to be in the rotation that instant? Also did I not say that hopefully the first 4 slots would be filled by *Matsuzaka, Beckett, Papelbon and Lester?

[jacksonianmarch]

2009-2010 is when Tabata is supposed to make it as well. You dont see Yankee fans holding dibs on a Tabata spot or a Tabata jersey any time soon. If they are lucky, they are expected to make the majors in 3 yrs. Wish, prayer, hope. AA is the proving ground, and that is the time when a lot of these so called top prospects crash into the rocks. If they can prove it at AA (like Ellsbury) then they are likely gonna make it. Until then, lottery tickets is all.

[a700hitter]

All I said was that all 3 are expected to make the majors around the same time (all 3 are estimated 2009/2010). Where did I say that they are slotted to be in the rotation that instant? Also did I not say that hopefully the first 4 slots would be filled by *Matsuzaka' date=' Beckett, Papelbon and Lester?[/quote']That's good so you agree that two of the three are expendable. The trick for the GM is picking the right guy to keep.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I mentioned Ellsbury because hes the other prospect we shouldnt even consider dealing, I didnt suggest he was involved in any way in the proposed cordero deal

[TheKilo]

If the deal if Bucholz/Hansen, I think it needs to get done.

[example1]

If the deal if Bucholz/Hansen' date=' I think it needs to get done.[/quote']

 

I don't. I guess I don't know Cordero as well as some people here, but from what I know he's an above average closer. I really think people tend to get overwhelmed with the SV statistic. What other statistic does this guy have that make him worth trading our top pitching prospect and a guy like Hansen?

 

It's not that I can't be convinced, but I do need convincing.

[Cocos Disciples]

He had 29 saves last year. Thats not the overwhelming number. Its the 3.19 ERA, the 1.10 WHIP, the 69 K's in 73 innings. All that good stuff. The age and salary aren't bad either.