Red Sox talking about Linebrink

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2006/11/gm_activity.html

 

the sox have been linked to Scott Linebrink since the AS break. Now it looks like the target is still locked on him, even though the package might change. They are talking out Pena or Crisp going the other way.

[jsinger121]

I'd pass if it was either Crisp or Pena.

[Gom]

I'd pass if it was either Crisp or Pena.

 

Why? What's so good about either of those guys? Do you see something up there I don't?

[Rdsxmbnt]

Why? What's so good about either of those guys? Do you see something up there I don't?

 

you wouldnt comprehend if we told you

[Beckett95]

Id like to see Pena for Linebrink and Merideth

[Papelbon58]

i would trade Crisp for Linebrink any day of the week. I would not trade Wily Mo Pena unless Meredith was involved, or Peavy of course.

[Bosoxwest]

Not too fired up about this. Much rather see Wheeler coming back. Linebrink is on the wrong side of 30 and declined pretty significantly last year. He beat up on the weak and got rapped around by the strong, including his divisional rivals. An xFIP of 4.14 in the weakest division in all of baseball doesn't strike me as worth either Pena or Crisp.

[jacksonianmarch]

Okay, so you want to deal for Linebrink and just have the padres throw in their rookie reliever who was leagues better than Linebrink. That is hilarious. Meredith was one of the biggest mishaps in Theo's tenure. He was a throw in for a backup catcher that he let go. Now he should trade for the guy he let go as a throw in in the deal for the backup catcher he let go. And the merry-go-round continues. Maybe the sox should try to deal for Hanley and Anibal too.

[Beckett95]

Linebrink and Ring for WMP

 

Linebrink, although his ERA went up to about 3.50, led all of MLB in holds last year with 36. (second closest was 31). His WHIP was 1.22 which would have been the second best in the pen last year. In '05 his ERA was below 2 for the year. Good control and good K/BB ratio

 

Also,

You think LAA would be willing to give up Shields for WMP??

[Cityofchampions33]

I love Linebrink, but I don't think he's worth Pena or Crisp, maybe extend it to involve Lowell and Peavy :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[seabeachfred]

Why? What's so good about either of those guys? Do you see something up there I don't?

 

GOM, Jsing will tell you soon enough, but I don't see that much there either. Crisp could come back with a good year, but he is a rotten leadoff man with little plate discipline. However, he has shown he can hit and that's a plus even with his ragarm in center. Pena, on the other hand, should be sent out of town on the double if we can find a taker. He is a DH players who can't do that with our team, and needs to go to a team that is rebuilding where he can get his full shot even if he screws up since the team won't be going anywhere for awhile. The guy is a butcher in the outfield and I think the Red Sox now know what the Reds knew. B)

[seabeachfred]

you wouldnt comprehend if we told you

 

Well Rdsx, I comprehend very well and I don't see Wily Mo Pena as our answer to anything unless you call butchered fly balls and a tons of runners left on base just what the doctor ordered. He should be traded as soon as some team offers us a good set-up man or closer. If Linebrink is available for him I would more than be willing to pay his air fare out of Boston.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:

[example1]

Well Rdsx' date=' I comprehend very well and I don't see Wily Mo Pena as our answer to anything unless you call butchered fly balls and a tons of runners left on base just what the doctor ordered. He should be traded as soon as some team offers us a good set-up man or closer. If Linebrink is available for him I would more than be willing to pay his air fare out of Boston.:dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:[/quote']

 

I have no problem with the Sox trading Wily Mo, but as with Coco and Youk I expect them to get a piece that is extremely important to their success. I completely disagree that we should trade him for anything we can get.

 

If Linebrink is that guy, that's fine. I don't know enough about him to be convinced one way or another, other than the fact that he's a set-up guy which is much less important than a potential #5 hitter (in a year or two). Of course, if Linebrink is a setup guy we could have for 3 years and just "set it and forget it" then I'd be willing to move Wily Mo.

 

Overall though seabeachfred, I think your assessment of WMP is overly harsh. He compares well to some pretty good players at his age (Jesse Barfield, Willie Stargel, Reggie Jackson), even though he strikes out so much. I'm willing to give him another year to prove himself. In fact, with a decent year next year we could trade him for quite a bit I imagine.

 

Also, I don't think he's as bad defensively as he showed this year.

[seabeachfred]

you wouldnt comprehend if we told you

 

Well I comprehend well Rdsx and my take on Pena is that he is such a terrible fielder that he is a major risk every time the Red Sox go out in the field, and what's worse he's been that way since he signed with the Yankees. The Reds realized that when they kept Austin Kearns and traded Pena to us.

[BSN07]

OK, i'm gonna try this as an idea.

 

Hold onto WMP for a little while longer. Why you ask? Well most teams are looking to add a bat. There are some good options on the FA market, but not enough to go around. Wait until the big guys sign( Soriano, lee, Drew, ect.). With all the big bats off the market, a young Talented( raw talent), power hitters value all the sudden goes up. With his value being higher and if you throw a prospect in the mix you you have some pretty good trade bait for a closer. We all know that Houston is in the market for a big bat, if they don't get one, send WMP and a prospect to them for Lidge. Yes it might cost more then that but just bare with me, this is just a thought, no exact figures here. If Houston really wants to trade Lidge then he is our best bet at closer. I know some of you will say he had a bad year last year but not to worry. Besides MO in NY and Hoffman in S.D., most closers after a few years need a change of sceneary after facing the same hitters all the time. I mean come on I know the N.L. Central isn't the A.L. East, but Foulke came from a weaker division and before injuries was well beyond good enough to close in BOS. The only other Closer known to beable to pitch in pressure is Gagne. If his price tag is not outrageous, and if the docs look at him and think he can pitch the he's another option. But after that i'm afraid the sox don't have alot of options. Of course we where in the same spot last year, and we threw a rookie in there, and that turned out great. But it's something you can def. not count on.

[Texas_Red_Sox_Fan]

seabeachfred - if u give Pedroia a shot why not Willy Mo?...HMMM

[Texas_Red_Sox_Fan]

Linebrink has been consistant:

 

Year Team W L ERA G IP H R ER HR BB SO

2003 HOU 1 1 4.26 9 31.2 38 15 15 4 14 17

2003 SD 2 1 2.82 43 60.2 55 22 19 5 22 51

2004 SD 7 3 2.14 73 84.0 61 22 20 8 26 3

2005 SD 8 1 1.83 73 73.2 55 17 15 4 23 70

2006 SD 7 4 3.57 73 75.2 70 31 30 9 22 68

[riverside sluggers]

seabeachfred - if u give Pedroia a shot why not Willy Mo?...HMMM

 

2 totally different situations... but eh this is coming from a poster who thinks a prospect should be ridden out of town because Pedroia didnt make him happy after his first month in the bigs

[seabeachfred]

I have no problem with the Sox trading Wily Mo, but as with Coco and Youk I expect them to get a piece that is extremely important to their success. I completely disagree that we should trade him for anything we can get.

 

If Linebrink is that guy, that's fine. I don't know enough about him to be convinced one way or another, other than the fact that he's a set-up guy which is much less important than a potential #5 hitter (in a year or two). Of course, if Linebrink is a setup guy we could have for 3 years and just "set it and forget it" then I'd be willing to move Wily Mo.

 

Overall though seabeachfred, I think your assessment of WMP is overly harsh. He compares well to some pretty good players at his age (Jesse Barfield, Willie Stargel, Reggie Jackson), even though he strikes out so much. I'm willing to give him another year to prove himself. In fact, with a decent year next year we could trade him for quite a bit I imagine.

 

Also, I don't think he's as bad defensively as he showed this year.

 

My assessment of WMP is a little harsh Ex, but it is going by what I saw from him in person at Fenway and Yankee Stadium. In eight years he still does not know how to play the outfield. That plus he hits when no one is one base, when we are way ahead or way behind but rarely in the clutch, and he still hasn't learned to lay off the outside breaking ball after all this time. He may someday come around but we are not in a rebuilding mode and we need those runners driven home and those flyballs and line drives caught, not bouncing off his glove or zooming over his head. WMP needs to go to a team that is willing to give him two or three years while they rebuild with him a part of it. We are not rebuilding and need players who can make the plays and get the hits when they count.

[example1]

My assessment of WMP is a little harsh Ex' date=' but it is going by what I saw from him in person at Fenway and Yankee Stadium. [/quote']

 

I love going to the games, but as far as analyzing a player I'll take my HD TV and a good sabermetric analysis over sitting in the bleachers or second tier anyday.

 

In eight years he still does not know how to play the outfield. That plus he hits when no one is one base, when we are way ahead or way behind but rarely in the clutch, and he still hasn't learned to lay off the outside breaking ball after all this time.

 

You keep saying that and I keep not understanding it. He's 24. He's a year older than Jacoby Ellsbury, a year younger than David Murphy, Edgar Martinez. Same age as Kason Gabbard, Jeff Natale. Would you say all those players should be thrown away for nothing because they're all young and have seen essentially ZERO MLB time? If everything were right WMP would be getting ready for his rookie season. Instead the Yankees signed him to a s***** deal and he was rushed. That can be made up for.

 

To say that the Sox aren't in a rebuilding mode is inaccurate. They're rebuilding to be competitive for the next 4 years, most of the essential pieces are in place already and the Sox are unsure what role WMP will have. Whether he's traded for a valuable piece or held onto as a 35+ HR #5 or #6 hitter, he'll have a role.

 

He may someday come around but we are not in a rebuilding mode and we need those runners driven home and those flyballs and line drives caught, not bouncing off his glove or zooming over his head. WMP needs to go to a team that is willing to give him two or three years while they rebuild with him a part of it. We are not rebuilding and need players who can make the plays and get the hits when they count.

[NateGrey]

Stay away from RP's that put up good stats in a Padres uni .

 

Seanez says hi .

[riverside sluggers]

Stay away from RP's that put up good stats in a Padres uni .

 

Seanez says hi .

 

The only thing that is comparable between Linebrink and Seanez is that they both have played for the Padres, thats about it

[NateGrey]

The only thing that is comparable between Linebrink and Seanez is that they both have played for the Padres' date=' thats about it[/quote']

 

Embree?

[castigs850]

Embree?

 

what a joke