Matsuzaka News

[ORS]

I do find it hard to believe that Theo would put a 28 mil bid on the table especially after watching Damon and Pedro walk over less than one seventh of that amount.

I think he let them walk for about $25.5M. Petey got the extra year at $13.5 from the Mets, and Damon got $12M more over 4 years. And, the results blew up in their faces. Maybe they've learned a lesson. Speaking of which, 700, I figure that if they do spend this that it would be right up your alley. You'll just look like a bitter old coot if you keep harping on those two moves after they've changed course to agree with your view of roster construction (if they do it).

[jsinger121]

I don't think the Petey results blew up in their faces. The red sox did the right thing letting him go. He may never pitch again.

[a700hitter]

I think he let them walk for about $25.5M. Petey got the extra year at $13.5 from the Mets' date=' and Damon got $12M more over 4 years. And, the results blew up in their faces. Maybe they've learned a lesson. Speaking of which, 700, I figure that if they do spend this that it would be right up your alley. You'll just look like a bitter old coot if you keep harping on those two moves after they've changed course to agree with your view of roster construction (if they do it).[/quote']A bitter old coot? Jeesh! I am only 47--- two years older than Clemens. It's not about spending for me, but smart spending. I have no idea who this guy is. I hope he turns out to be good. Petey was a Hall of Famer and Damon an All-Star CF and offensive catalyst.

 

BTW: If Petey doesn't ever pitch again, it wasn't s bad move by the Mets. They got a good year and a half from him and paid for two years. The Red Sox FO should have known the Pedro's ego never would have allowed him to be mediocre, that he would rather walk away than be humliated. What do I know, I am just a bitter 47 year old coot.

[ORS]

No, Petey doesn't look like a good investment right now, but neither does his replacement. In '05 one of the problems was SP and Petey would have helped. Last year one of the problems was the leadoff spot/CF and Damon would have helped. My point about it blowing up in their faces is that their decisions to save some money in the future have hurt the team right now, so, no matter what happens from this point forward, it did blow up in their faces to some degree because they wasted two years of Big Papi/Manny. I know I've come out in favor of the LT plan, so I'm not trying to waffle here, but the results are hard to dispute.

[ORS]

A bitter old coot? Jeesh! I am only 47--- two years older than Clemens. It's not about spending for me, but smart spending. I have no idea who this guy is. I hope he turns out to be good. Petey was a Hall of Famer and Damon an All-Star CF and offensive catalyst.

 

BTW: If Petey doesn't ever pitch again, it wasn't s bad move by the Mets. They got a good year and a half from him and paid for two years. The Red Sox FO should have known the Pedro's ego never would have allowed him to be mediocre, that he would rather walk away than be humliated. What do I know, I am just a bitter 47 year old coot.

I hope I didn't upset you with that, it was tongue in cheek. That said, it does surprise me that you'd still give them a hard time about that if they show they are willing to commit money to a quality product (which is what you want them to do), even if the quality added is a gamble.

[a700hitter]

I hope I didn't upset you with that' date=' it was tongue in cheek. That said, it does surprise me that you'd still give them a hard time about that if they show they are willing to commit money to a quality product (which is what you want them to do), even if the quality added is a gamble.[/quote']I took it in good humor.

[ksushi]

I do find it hard to believe that Theo would put a 28 mil bid on the table especially after watching Damon and Pedro walk over less than one seventh of that amount.

 

Then you don't understand Theo's philosophy. Theo didn't let them walk because of the dollar figure, he let them walk because of the risk compared to the cost. Damon and Pedro were approaching their mid 30's. For the most part, past their prime.

[mosox]

The Sox did offer Pedro 3 years, but they wouldn't go 4. I'm guessing that Boras will demand a 4 or 5 year deal for Matsuzaka and I'm not sure that's something Theo is willing to do.

[jsinger121]

The Sox did offer Pedro 3 years' date=' but they wouldn't go 4. I'm guessing that Boras will demand a 4 or 5 year deal for Matsuzaka and I'm not sure that's something Theo is willing to do.[/quote']

 

I believe he will go that high for him. Matsuzaka is a 26 yrs old. Pedro was 33 at the time of his free agency. Big difference.

[riverside sluggers]

u think?.....that site makes up tons of crap including that one right there...its a horrible site

 

As an experiment... I put together a Rod Barajas to Boston "story" and the guy who handles the site put it up without checking sources whatsoever:D

[a700hitter]

What takes so long to open the bids and figure out which is the highest?:dunno:

[redsoxrules]

What takes so long to open the bids and figure out which is the highest?:dunno:

 

maybe he's not sure if he wants to go with the team with the highest bid

[elsrbueno]

maybe he's not sure if he wants to go with the team with the highest bid

 

It's not up to him just yet.

 

The Seibu Lions have to accept the offer before it goes officially public-- that could be Tuesday at the latest.

 

The winner has already been decided and sent to Seibu-- it's in their hands now.

[a700hitter]

Why wouldn't it be announced?

[Optimist]

The board of directors for the Lions is going to have a meeting to discuss the offer on Friday then announce its decision. With the time difference, the meeting should be happening around midnight tonight.

[elsrbueno]

Why wouldn't it be announced?

 

I don't know the answer to that, but Selig has apparently asked all teams involved not to even say whether or not they bid-- which is stupid IMO.

 

Just stating the facts. The name of the winner isn't supposed to go public unless the offer is accepted. It happened that way with Ichiro, too.

[a700hitter]

I don't know the answer to that, but Selig has apparently asked all teams involved not to even say whether or not they bid-- which is stupid IMO.

 

Just stating the facts. The name of the winner isn't supposed to go public unless the offer is accepted. It happened that way with Ichiro, too.

If the offer is rejected, we will not know which team submitted the bid?

[ARod2212]

They won't reject the offer, that won't be an issue. They either keep him for a year, and then get nothing for him, or let him walk now and get between $ 20 and $30 million. No contest.

[Beckett95]

i thought we were supposed to find out who the winning team was today

 

im surprised its taken so long

[redsoxrules]

i thought we were supposed to find out who the winning team was today

 

im surprised its taken so long

 

they have 4 days to announce it so we might not even know til monday , but of corse they know allready so i dont know why they just dont say it !

[Teddyballgame10]

I do find it hard to believe that Theo would put a 28 mil bid on the table especially after watching Damon and Pedro walk over less than one seventh of that amount.

 

He could be desperate

[Beckett95]

There is another that the sox won the bid at 28mil.

 

Just curious..

 

Where did u find that rumor?

[jacksonianmarch]

Just curious..

 

Where did u find that rumor?

 

I have scoured the NYYFans sites and the rangers sites. Dont believe any of it. I'll wait.

[26 to 6]

The Sox did offer Pedro 3 years' date=' but they wouldn't go 4. I'm guessing that Boras will demand a 4 or 5 year deal for Matsuzaka and I'm not sure that's something Theo is willing to do.[/quote']

I expect Boras to ask for a 3 year deal for Matsuzaka. That way he can still get another big pay-day out on the market at age 29.

[26 to 6]

They won't reject the offer' date=' that won't be an issue. They either keep him for a year, and then get nothing for him, or let him walk now and get between $ 20 and $30 million. No contest.[/quote']

Exactly. There is no way they don't accept.

[26 to 6]

Exactly. There is no way they don't accept.

The suspense is killing me. I'm shocked nothing has been leaked to a reliable source.

[jacksonianmarch]

he is expected to get a 3 yr deal in the range of 10 mil a yr with an agreement that he will not be offered arb at the end of the contract. Hence he will be a FA with no strings attached at 29, and if he is an ace, then he will be able to collect for a 6-7 yr deal at max dollars.

[Cityofchampions33]

I don't understand why Bud Selig can't say who had teh winning bid, it's not like it will affect the process.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't understand why Bud Selig can't say who had teh winning bid' date=' it's not like it will affect the process.[/quote']

 

It certainly could. It loks very good for Seibu if the player goes to a place that has a good market, and it would behoove Seibu to have the highest bid be a team that Matsu will sign with.

[example1]

This certainly is suspenseful.

 

I guess I think the Sox have a very good shot. NOT because I think there is some metaphysical reason the sox and matsuzaka are destined for each other, or because I think the Sox are a good fit for him.

 

1. I think they have a good shot because I imagine the FO knew roughly what the bid would be (within a few million dollars), beyond just assuming it would be something like 28 million. I think each and every team assessed what his value would be and developed their bid from there. So I'm one to assume that the sox made a very serious offer while knowing roughly what the other teams would offer, based on logic, reason and the nuances of the current market, including the Yankees.

 

2. Given their loss in the Contreras sweepstakes I see the sox going above what their estemated value is.