World Series 06

[Ray10]

Cards got to Verlander early to score 2 runs. And now in the 5th they have another man on with one out. Carpenter is looking strong in this one if he keeps it up St Louis will take this one easily.

[example1]

You mean robertson, right?

[Ray10]

You mean robertson' date=' right?[/quote']

 

 

Sorry Roberston I dunno why I was thinking Verlander lol.

[YankeeDoodle]

Kenny Rogers is a cheater. Game 6, with maybe Carpenter on short rest (and he threw only 82 pitches in 8 innings), let's see if Rogers gets served. <_>

[redsoxrules]

Kenny Rogers is a cheater. Game 6' date=' with maybe Carpenter on short rest (and he threw only 82 pitches in 8 innings), let's see if Rogers gets served. <_>

 

still pissed that kenny kick the s*** out of the yanks?

[CrespoBlows]

still pissed that kenny kick the s*** out of the yanks?

 

Maybe it's the fact that he had pine tar on his hands?

[Cocos Disciples]

Yeah man, he cheated.

[Mr Crunchy]

"Good triumphs over evil."

 

Need I say more. Thank you, come again.

 

Cards git'r done in game one. If they can steal a game with Weaver against the Roaster, they are in the driver's seat with Carpenter throwing game 3 at home. Has a team less than 4 games over .500 at the end of the regular season ever won it all before?

 

the 73 mets went 83-79? and won the pennant but got beat by the a's in the series

the nl west winner went 82-80 ?? last year

 

no one i can think of won it all with a record like this years cardinals

[redsoxrules]

Maybe it's the fact that he had pine tar on his hands?

 

yeah its funny how he pitched 7 brilliant innings after the pine tar was off

[schillingouttheks]

yeah its funny how he pitched 7 brilliant innings after the pine tar was off

 

He also had the pine tar on his hands for each of his postseason starts prior to game 2. The fact that he had pine tar on his hands at all is proof that he's a cheater.

 

She called him a cheater, and you said she was pissed because he destroyed the Yankees. The Yankees were not in this conversation. She said he was a cheater, which he is. He had pine tar on his hands. Are you saying he's not a cheater?

[redsoxrules]

He also had the pine tar on his hands for each of his postseason starts prior to game 2. The fact that he had pine tar on his hands at all is proof that he's a cheater.

 

She called him a cheater, and you said she was pissed because he destroyed the Yankees. The Yankees were not in this conversation. She said he was a cheater, which he is. He had pine tar on his hands. Are you saying he's not a cheater?

 

BTW it was never confirmed it was pine tar so technicaly he's not a cheater,theres no proof , so yes im saying he's not a cheater , otherwise he would be suspended for the rest of the series

[CrespoBlows]

BTW it was never confirmed it was pine tar so technicaly he's not a cheater' date='theres no proof , so yes im saying he's not a cheater , otherwise he would be suspended for the rest of the series[/quote']

 

The guy's a cheater. Do you really believe Bud Selig wants ANOTHER cheating scandal at this time of the year? He'll let it blow over, and everyone will forget it when the Cardinals win the World Series.

 

Besides, what's more likely, Rogers getting that same substance on his hands three games in a row, or him cheating?

 

BTW, does anyone actually care?

[ORS]

Nope. Most of the chatter I've heard on sports talk radio has been about how this type of stuff is so common that there's no competitive advantage because everyone is doing it. Shaving cream, suntan lotion, concoctions, benzoin, pine tar, etc., etc, and so on and so on. In the era of the juiced ball, bat, player, and park, I don't put it past the pitchers to get a little better grip on the ball. No story, IMO.

[a700hitter]

He also had the pine tar on his hands for each of his postseason starts prior to game 2. The fact that he had pine tar on his hands at all is proof that he's a cheater.

 

She called him a cheater, and you said she was pissed because he destroyed the Yankees. The Yankees were not in this conversation. She said he was a cheater, which he is. He had pine tar on his hands. Are you saying he's not a cheater?

Yes, he is a cheater, but so was Gaylord Perry, and I would have loved to have him on the Red Sox.

 

BTW I have in the last year or so noticed a number of pitchers wiping and rubbing something off their pitching hands after they have been removed from a game. I have taken notice because, it is always the pitching hand that they are rubbing and cleaning with a towel. I have seen Schilling and Mo do this among others. Maybe many pitchers are using something other than resin to give them a better feel or grip, but they are just more discreet than Rogers..

[riverside sluggers]

Game 4 Info:

Series: Cards lead 2-1

Date: Thursday, October 26, 2006

First Pitch: 8:05 pm ET

Venue: Busch Stadium, St. Louis, Missouri

Starting Pitchers:

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#38 Jeremy Bonderman 1-0, 3.00 ERA

#37 Jeff Suppan 1-1, 1.86 ERA

 

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Jeremy Bonderman (1 game vs St. Louis, 1.29 ERA---1st career appearance at Busch Stadium)

David Eckstein, 4 for 10 (.400 avg) Double, RBI

Preston Wilson, 3 for 6 (.500 avg) RBI, K, SB

Albert Pujols, 1 for 3 (.333 avg) K

Scott Rolen, 0 for 3, 2 Ks

Jim Edmonds, 0 for 2, Walk, 2 Ks

Juan Encarcion --

Aaron Miles, 3 for 6 (.500 avg) HR, 2 RBIs, K

Yadier Molina, 0 for 1

Jeff Suppan --

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Ronnie Belliard, 3 for 21 (.143 avg) 2 RBIs, 4 Walks, 5 Ks

Gary Bennett, 0 for 2

Scott Spiezio, 4 for 15 (.267 avg) HR, RBI, Walk, 4 Ks, SB

 

Jeff Suppan (20 games vs Detroit, 8-6 record with a 4.63 ERA---**Career at Busch Stadium in 19 games, 8-3 record with a 3.01 ERA

Curtis Granderson, 2 for 3 (.667 avg) RBI, SB

Craig Monroe, 0 for 2

Carlos Guillen, 3 for 7 (.429 avg) RBI, 2 Walks

Magglio Ordonez, 17 for 43 (.395 avg) 2 Doubles, 2 HRs, 6 RBIs, 5 Walks, 2 Ks

Sean Casey, 5 for 15 (.333 avg) Double, HR, 3 RBIs, Walk

Ivan Rodriguez, 6 for 12 (.500 avg) 2 Doubles, Triple, 2 RBIs, 2 Ks

Placido Polanco, 1 for 13 (.077 avg) 3 Walks, K, SB

Brandon Inge, 5 for 14 (.357 avg) 2 Doubles, Triple, HR, 2 RBIs, 3 Ks

Jeremy Bonderman --

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Omar Infante, 2 for 7 (.286 avg) Walk, K

Ramon Santiago, 1 for 6 (.167 avg)

Marcus Thames, 0 for 3, K

Vance Wilson, 1 for 2 (.500 avg) Double, K

[Ray10]

Kenny Rogers is the biggest cheater I have ever seen he's been using stuff all playoffs. He doesn't even deserve to pitch in the postseason. It's a good thing that I'm not the commissioner of baseball because Rogers would be gone from the playoffs and fined a big sum of money. Even though this happens on a regular basis they need to have harsher penalties for the guys who choose to do it. They shouldn't be gettin away with it this kinda crap is what ruins the games. Rogers just further proves to us all that he is a bumm and always will be.

[redsoxrules]

Kenny Rogers is the biggest cheater I have ever seen he's been using stuff all playoffs. He doesn't even deserve to pitch in the postseason. It's a good thing that I'm not the commissioner of baseball because Rogers would be gone from the playoffs and fined a big sum of money. Even though this happens on a regular basis they need to have harsher penalties for the guys who choose to do it. They shouldn't be gettin away with it this kinda crap is what ruins the games. Rogers just further proves to us all that he is a bumm and always will be.

 

well its a good thing your not the commissioner of baseball

so ray how do you know he's been cheating , you have test results somewhere we dont know?

[EvilDonut]

Kenny Rogers is the biggest cheater I have ever seen he's been using stuff all playoffs. He doesn't even deserve to pitch in the postseason. It's a good thing that I'm not the commissioner of baseball because Rogers would be gone from the playoffs and fined a big sum of money. Even though this happens on a regular basis they need to have harsher penalties for the guys who choose to do it. They shouldn't be gettin away with it this kinda crap is what ruins the games. Rogers just further proves to us all that he is a bumm and always will be.

 

He didnt cheat, whatever it was it obviously wasnt unethical. Think about it. LaRussa did nothing, the Umps didnt think it was anything bad or one of them would of done something. Whatever it was, it was legal.

 

or maybe i just have blind optimism

[riverside sluggers]

Game 5 Info:

Series: Cards lead 3-1

Date: Friday, October 27, 2006

First Pitch: 8:05 pm ET

Venue: Busch Stadium, St. Louis, Missouri

Starting Pitchers:

http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_434378.jpg http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/images/players/mugshot/ph_213711.jpg

 

#35 Justin Verlander 1-1, 7.47 ERA

#36 Jeff Weaver 2-2, 2.91 ERA

 

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Justin Verlander (**2 games vs St. Louis, 1-1 record with an 8.18 ERA---1st career appearance at Busch Stadium)

David Eckstein, 0 for 6, K

Chris Duncan, 1 for 3 (.333 avg) Double, RBI, K

Albert Pujols, 3 for 4 (.750 avg) Double, HR, 2 RBIs, 2 Walks, K

Jim Edmonds, 1 for 3 (.333 avg) RBI, 2 Ks

Scott Rolen, 4 for 6 (.667 avg) 2 Doubles, HR, RBI, K

Juan Encarcion, 0 for 3, RBI, Walk

Ronnie Belliard, 3 for 5 (.600 avg) Double, K

Yadier Molina, 3 for 5 (.600 avg) 2 Doubles, 2 RBIs, K

Jeff Weaver --

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Aaron Miles, 0 for 2, Walk

John Rodriguez, 0 for 3, RBI, 2 Ks

Scott Spiezio, 0 for 3, 3 Ks

So Taguchi, 1 for 4 (.250 avg) Walk

Preston Wilson, 0 for 3

 

Jeff Weaver (**4 games vs Detroit, 1-3 record with a 3.10 ERA---**Career at Busch Stadium in 8 games, 2-3 record with a 6.11 ERA

Curtis Granderson, 1 for 5 (.200 avg) Walk, K

Craig Monroe, 1 for 9 (.111 avg) HR, RBI, 5 Ks

Carlos Guillen, 6 for 15 (.400 avg) 2 Doubles, Triple, HR, 6 RBIs, Walk, 2 Ks

Magglio Ordonez, 12 for 36 (.333 avg) Double, 2 HRs, 6 RBIs, 2 Walks, 3 Ks, SB

Sean Casey, 5 for 16 (.313 avg) Double, RBI, Walk, 3 Ks

Ivan Rodriguez, 1 for 10 (.100 avg) Double, 2 Ks

Placido Polanco, 1 for 9 (.111 avg) K

Brandon Inge, 4 for 8 (.500 avg) Double, HR, RBI, Walk, K

Justin Verlander --

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Alexis Gomez, 0 for 3, K

Omar Infante, 0 for 2

Neifi Perez, 4 for 17 (.235 avg) RBI, 2 Ks

Ramon Santiago, 3 for 6 (.500 avg) Double, Triple

Vance Wilson, 0 for 4, K

[MANNYHOF24]

I hope the cards win so we can get into the offseason and have something interesting to talk about again.

[example1]

Both of these teams suck right now. The Tigers aren't playing up to their potential and, frankly, I can't tell WHAT the Cardinals are good at as a team.

[a700hitter]

Duncan cannot play the OF. There is no position for him on the Cards.

[ORS]

I agree. Dude's got a good eye and serious power. I think it would be a big blunder to not go hard after him.

[a700hitter]

I can't believe that the Skankees lost to these bums. They are a defensive nightmare. They have two stars--the incredibly shrinking IRod and Mags. Everyone else on their roster is unimpressive. They have some nice arms on their staff, but we are not talking about a staff of Hudson, Zito and Mulder. It really would not have taken many moves by the Red Sox FO to have made the '06 team competitive. Jason johnson and Kyle Snyder were not the answer. They were a bad joke, and it demonstrated a total lack of effort by the FO to improve the '06 team. A team with 83 wins is likely to be the World Champion. It just goes to show that this year every team in the post season had a chance to win it all.

[ORS]

In hindsight, given the injuries to everyone (at some point) in the lineup, I'm glad that they didn't give up value to get a pitcher because, as mentioned, the run production was pretty much a joke for about 3-4 weeks in late Aug/Sept. While this postseason is Exhibit A about how getting there is all that matters, I doubt they would have done it with moves after what transpired after the deadline.

 

If anything, watching the Tigers kill themselves in the Series must have Yankee fans saying, "Why couldn't they do that against us?". Any extra squirming for them that derives from this Series is fine by me.

[example1]

I can't believe that the Skankees lost to these bums. They are a defensive nightmare. They have two stars--the incredibly shrinking IRod and Mags. Everyone else on their roster is unimpressive. They have some nice arms on their staff' date=' but we are not talking about a staff of Hudson, Zito and Mulder. It really would not have taken many moves by the Red Sox FO to have made the '06 team competitive. Jason johnson and Kyle Snyder were not the answer. They were a bad joke, and it demonstrated a total lack of effort by the FO to improve the '06 team. A team with 83 wins is likely to be the World Champion. It just goes to show that this year every team in the post season had a chance to win it all.[/quote']

 

I'd take Verlander, Bonderman and Rogers this post-season over any season where Hudson, Zito and Mulder were together. Those teams underachieved.

 

I agree about the Sox though. I think even the sox team at the end of the season could have won a game or three from the eventual WS champion in a series. The tigers are better than they've played (about 8 Unearned Runs better, I'd say) but right now Manny and Ortiz could put some good wood on these pitches. that goes double for the Weaver, Suppan combo (I'll give Carpenter credit for being tough). It's frustrating to watch, in all honesty.

[a700hitter]

I'd take Verlander' date=' Bonderman and Rogers this post-season over any season where Hudson, Zito and Mulder were together. Those teams underachieved.[/quote']Those A' s teams had pop gun offenses. If Mulder, Zito and Hudson had an offense that led the league in HRs they would have gone a lot further.

[example1]

I'm not convinced that this Tigers offense is that good. Perhaps they led the league in HRs, but I think they're showing their colors in the WS.

 

Let's call the Cards about Duncan right now.

[a700hitter]

Another blunder by Duncan. What a horror show! These two teams play defense like a high school team.

[example1]

I've watched the whole series but I feel no excitement or tension right now. it's the 8th with 2 out in a 2 run game, but I just don't really care who wins as I think both teams are not the best teams in baseball. Certainly the cards aren't the best team in baseball.