The return of "Cowboy Up" next season?

[SCM33]

did he ever have a starting position here??

if so,was it for more than a week??

 

Im pretty sure Kevin Millars starting position was 1st base when he played for the Boston RedSox of Boston. It was either that or Shortstop, not quite sure.

[SCM33]

PS. I swear to god rician blast and Mr. Crunchy are the same guy. It is impossible to have two dumbasses who know so little about how to use a computer keyboard or format a paragraph on the same forum agreeing with each other.

[Beckett95]

theres no spot for Millar on this team anymore.

 

BIG NO to bringing back Kentucky Fried Kevin

[a700hitter]

Any other fan on this board would agree that Millar was a key figure in the clubhouse and should be brought back for a reasonable contract.

We can only hope that Youkilis will hit like Millar did in 2003 and 2004.

[a700hitter]

Um' date=' for those of you who claim Millar is 100% positive, have you forgotten how he bitched about sharing playing time with Mientkiewicz (even though Doug was only brought in as a defensive replacement) and how he complained about sharing time with Olerud (even though he was in the process of being the worst first baseman in baseball)?[/quote']He really didn't complain much about olerud. He did complain about Minky and rightly so, because Minky had no stick at all.

and he can't hit in the clutch?

I remember a three home run game against the Yankees' date=' a home run against Mo Rivera, and a key walk in game 4 of the 2004 WS.

Youkilis' best years are AHEAD of him, Millar's are BEHIND. Millar isn't as positive an influence as most think, either. Remember, he bitches when he's not playing every day, and this dude is not an everyday player.

Neither one is an every day player. The only difference is that Millar would accept that role while Youklis probably would not. Youk has below average power and speed, and he is an average first baseman/third baseman. He's a good role player if he would accept it, but he is not an every day first or third baseman. He just doen't have the stick to justify it.

[GOLD DUST TWINS]

I've posted their stats before the season ended. Youk's advantage over Millar is that he is cheap. I found it interesting how everyone had praised Youk all season long when his stats were only marginally better than Millar who gets a beating on Red Sox fan boards. I think that there weren't much expectations for Youk in his first full ML season. He started hot and proved that he was capable of holding down a major league job. We had higher expectations for Millar' date=' especially after his first two years in Boston. Now, Millar is probably willing to come back to the Sox for a cheap price. Youklis is still cheap, but he lacks the qualities that Millar brings to the clubhouse. Also, Youk's ridiculous remarks about the fans with regard to Tavarez were unnecessarily negative. Millar is almost 100% positive in his attitude. I'd sign Millar and consider trading Youk.[/quote']

 

Clubhouse guys are over rated. We could wait for Manny to hold his breath until his good buddy Kevin gets a start, the sox would get nothing straight up for youk and why can't anyone remember the first half of his unproductive "get out of town" numbers he put up?

No denying he is said to be a great clubhouse guy but with a premium put on a 25 man roster I would rather see the spot go to anyone else.

If the team were to pick him up on a minor league deal with an invite then great. He could warm up the seats in Rhode Island and then if needed come up to the big team as the year and his numbers dictate. Tell me how you feel when he goes 0 for 100 and what ever and tell me how great of a club house guy he is and if he still deserves a place on the bench. plus youk plays 1st base, OF and third.

I would like to see the team use youk in a pckg deal. for a pitcher.

Besides being a clown and a fast ball only hitter Millar brings zero to a team that has too many holes to fill and he isn't even a small part of what is needed in Boston.

[GOLD DUST TWINS]

theres no spot for Millar on this team anymore.

 

BIG NO to bringing back Kentucky Fried Kevin

 

Thank God there is still some sanity in the Nation. My feelings exactly.

[a700hitter]

Clubhouse guys are over rated. We could wait for Manny to hold his breath until his good buddy Kevin gets a start, the sox would get nothing straight up for youk and why can't anyone remember the first half of his unproductive "get out of town" numbers he put up?

No denying he is said to be a great clubhouse guy but with a premium put on a 25 man roster I would rather see the spot go to anyone else.

If the team were to pick him up on a minor league deal with an invite then great. He could warm up the seats in Rhode Island and then if needed come up to the big team as the year and his numbers dictate. Tell me how you feel when he goes 0 for 100 and what ever and tell me how great of a club house guy he is and if he still deserves a place on the bench. plus youk plays 1st base, OF and third.

I would like to see the team use youk in a pckg deal. for a pitcher.

Besides being a clown and a fast ball only hitter Millar brings zero to a team that has too many holes to fill and he isn't even a small part of what is needed in Boston.

I don't think Millar would get the opportunity to go 0 for 100 coming off the bench, and he would be a good replacement for Youklis who would have some value in a trade package.

[SCM33]

Clubhouse guys are over rated. We could wait for Manny to hold his breath until his good buddy Kevin gets a start, the sox would get nothing straight up for youk and why can't anyone remember the first half of his unproductive "get out of town" numbers he put up?

No denying he is said to be a great clubhouse guy but with a premium put on a 25 man roster I would rather see the spot go to anyone else.

If the team were to pick him up on a minor league deal with an invite then great. He could warm up the seats in Rhode Island and then if needed come up to the big team as the year and his numbers dictate. Tell me how you feel when he goes 0 for 100 and what ever and tell me how great of a club house guy he is and if he still deserves a place on the bench. plus youk plays 1st base, OF and third.

I would like to see the team use youk in a pckg deal. for a pitcher.

Besides being a clown and a fast ball only hitter Millar brings zero to a team that has too many holes to fill and he isn't even a small part of what is needed in Boston.

 

Maybe you should look at Millars career numbers, then if that doesn't satisfy you you could always compare Youks and Millars numbers from this past year. Then take in mind many of us do want Millar on the bench which really says something about Youkilis. Neither one of them hit enough to be in the lineup and playing 1B for the Sox, many of us would just prefer to have Millar on the bench rather than Youk, who you know would bitch and moan. Millar said he would like to return in a reduced role. If only we had him AND Nixon coming off the bench as righty/lefty bench hitters.

 

BTW...Youk does not play OF and was pretty bad out there. As ugly as Millar is in the OF he is serviceable and is capable of playing both LF and RF. Youk was in LF hiding in front of the monster, and was still exposed.

[mtbykr]

I would love for them to bring Millar back to come off the bench. (although i have always wanted him here and thought he played a vital role) I think after playing in baltimore for a year he would gladly be a bench player for free in boston! Millar was a key part of our 04 run. Don't take my word for it, but look what the players said. In a lot of clips, ect... after it was all over they kept talking about how loose the clubhouse was (they attribute mainly to millar and damon) and that they just loved to come to the ballpark. (newsflash, we don't have that demeanor anymore) They would also talk about the ALCS and how even down 0-3 millar would not let anyone get down but just kept saying "don't let us win tonight"

 

Millar would be an ok replacement off the bench, however his contributions off the field is why they would bring him back if they do. He also takes pressure off the rest of the players who don't like talking to the media as he's always in the media's face. I don't see what goes on in that clubhouse, as i assume most of us don't---however i will take the players word that he made that much of a difference. Youk is our 1st baseman, but let Millar back him up----i mean look who we had as bench players this year:rolleyes:

 

Ohh and for anyone who doesn't think he comes through in the clutch--please just look back to game 4 in the 04 ALCS. Remember when dave roberts stole 2nd. (which tito says is the biggest play of the playoffs) Well if Millar hadn't had gotten on 1st against mariano then none of that would have happened. To draw a walk in that situation, against mariano was clutch.

[mar_022]

Neither one is an every day player. The only difference is that Millar would accept that role while Youklis probably would not. Youk has below average power and speed' date=' and he is an average first baseman/third baseman. He's a good role player if he would accept it, but he is not an every day first or third baseman. He just doen't have the stick to justify it.[/quote']

 

excuse me?

 

i guess 42 doubles, 385 OBP, .810 OPS, 13 homers just doesnt cut it. i understand that typically you want more production out of a first baseman, but to say hes not an everyday player is just plain wrong.

[rician blast]

PS. I swear to god rician blast and Mr. Crunchy are the same guy. It is impossible to have two dumbasses who know so little about how to use a computer keyboard or format a paragraph on the same forum agreeing with each other.

 

This is probably one of the funnier, yet most off-base, posts I've ever read.

 

SCM, different folks post with different styles. Some use the proper paragraph formatting that you'd apparently prefer to see. Others like to make points with one line statements so that there ideas are in a list format and stand out better...sort of "bullets" without the bullets. I like using the ... to seperate ideas or statements within a paragraph. This is a forum, not a term paper, and I'm quite surprised that anyone is so concerned with posters keyboard use and paragraph formatting.

 

Now did you have something to add in terms of the discussion at hand or are you more concerned with busting balls and calling names? I don't recall treating you this way in the past.

[pudge]

This is probably one of the funnier, yet most off-base, posts I've ever read.

 

SCM, different folks post with different styles. Some use the proper paragraph formatting that you'd apparently prefer to see. Others like to make points with one line statements so that there ideas are in a list format and stand out better...sort of "bullets" without the bullets. I like using the ... to seperate ideas or statements within a paragraph. This is a forum, not a term paper, and I'm quite surprised that anyone is so concerned with posters keyboard use and paragraph formatting.

 

Now did you have something to add in terms of the discussion at hand or are you more concerned with busting balls and calling names? I don't recall treating you this way in the past.

Well said.Name calling on message boards is for ten year olds .

[elsrbueno]

excuse me?

 

i guess 42 doubles, 385 OBP, .810 OPS, 13 homers just doesnt cut it. i understand that typically you want more production out of a first baseman, but to say hes not an everyday player is just plain wrong.

 

I think the problem is the Red Sox lineup can't afford to have 2 guys like Lowell and Youkilis in the lineup. They're SOLID players, but neither one hits like a corner infielder (where you expect more production) and of course it didn't help that RF and CF were also weak spots last year.

 

Keep in mind that I like Youkilis and was one of the people who said he should be playing MORE in 2005 and praised him in 2006 because he's decent defensively and puts up solid numbers. Not first base numbers in the traditional sense, but solid.

 

If Youk is staying at first and Lowell staying at third, the Sox need to add a big bat who can play right field or shortstop.

[mar_022]

I think the problem is the Red Sox lineup can't afford to have 2 guys like Lowell and Youkilis in the lineup. They're SOLID players, but neither one hits like a corner infielder (where you expect more production) and of course it didn't help that RF and CF were also weak spots last year.

 

Keep in mind that I like Youkilis and was one of the people who said he should be playing MORE in 2005 and praised him in 2006 because he's decent defensively and puts up solid numbers. Not first base numbers in the traditional sense, but solid.

 

If Youk is staying at first and Lowell staying at third, the Sox need to add a big bat who can play right field or shortstop.

 

Oh, i agree completely, i was just sayin Youk is an everyday player. you're right, you cant have both because you need some CI production, which is why i've been advocating the trade of lowell and signing of Aramis Ramirez. This way, youk stays (which is better than lowell staying because of salary and age), and we have a slugger for a corner infielder, something the sox havent seen in awhile

[Papelbon58]

I think clubhouse guys are the most underrated players in any sport. Ask the Yankees if they want a good clubhouse guy. That is what has been missing from that team in their World Series drought.

 

To another question about Millar. That Green monster increases his production immediately. The linedrives that he hits off of it help his numbers.

Remember that the biggest plays of the 2004 season other than Papi's homers were made by Arroyo (A-Rod slap and beanball brawl), Varitek (fight), Millar (walk) and Dave Roberts (steal)

 

Anybody who can help keep the clubhouse loose and keep the 2004 tradition alive is welcome in my book. Millar is the representative of that era's clubhouse.

[CrespoBlows]

I think clubhouse guys are the most underrated players in any sport. Ask the Yankees if they want a good clubhouse guy. That is what has been missing from that team in their World Series drought.

 

No. A good pitcher is what is missing from that dugout.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Winning builds chemistry. I remember when Paul O'neill was traded to the Yankees there were some reports about how he was a bad teammate. A batting crown and 4 rings later and all of a sudden the Yankees are missing someone like that from their clubhouse.

[a700hitter]

Oh' date=' i agree completely, i was just sayin Youk is an everyday player. you're right, you cant have both because you need some CI production, which is why i've been advocating the trade of lowell and signing of Aramis Ramirez. This way, youk stays (which is better than lowell staying because of salary and age), and we have a slugger for a corner infielder, something the sox havent seen in awhile[/quote']Lowell is an extraoridinary fielder. Youk is not. Lowell has more pop. Youk has more trade value. Get a big bat at first base and package Youk with someone else in a trade.

[SCM33]

Winning builds chemistry. I remember when Paul O'neill was traded to the Yankees there were some reports about how he was a bad teammate. A batting crown and 4 rings later and all of a sudden the Yankees are missing someone like that from their clubhouse.

 

You mean Arod, Sheffield, Giambi, Randy, Moose, Pavano dont bring it?

 

tehe Im just kidding, I know exactly what you mean. I hated Paul O'Neil but I also feel he is one of the most underrated players ever. I loved the way that guy played. I thought Trot Nixon would develop in to that type of player, forgetting that you don't just develop that type of instensity with skills simutaneously.

[SCM33]

To another question about Millar. That Green monster increases his production immediately. The linedrives that he hits off of it help his numbers.

Remember that the biggest plays of the 2004 season other than Papi's homers were made by Arroyo (A-Rod slap and beanball brawl), Varitek (fight), Millar (walk) and Dave Roberts (steal)

 

One could argue that the monster actually hurts his production because he sees the f***in thing bearing down on him and gets pull happy and hits hellish linedrives that send 50% of the ballpark in a panic state and arent sure if they are watching a baseball game or playing dodgeball.

[paranoia]

I would bring Millar back for the right money, he is better in the outfield then youk, but I think youk is better at first base.

 

I think millar would bitch less now that he knows what its like out of Boston, and he is a good clubhouse guy. He is better in the outfield then youk or willy Mo and he can hit the fast ball.

So I say bring him back for a year or two:) .

[elsrbueno]

Lowell is an extraoridinary fielder. Youk is not. Lowell has more pop. Youk has more trade value. Get a big bat at first base and package Youk with someone else in a trade.

 

While I rarely agree with trading youth, I think this theory has some merit. Lowell's glove and comprable bat to Youkilis' certainly makes him valuable. In my mind he's overpaid at $9 million but I'd rather have a solid, gold glove caliber third baseman here for one year than pay someone else half his salary to play somewhere else.

 

Youk should get better since he's just entering his prime years now, but how much better? He's probably a 40 double 20 homer guy at best. They'd have to bring back a player who represents a significant offensive improvement over Youk to make it worth a deal.

 

I'd trade the guy who brings the most VALUE back, and after Youkilis had a pretty solid first year and at a bargain salary he's the man who would fetch the most.

 

No idea who plays third in 2008 though.

[adam123]

ok .. i think millar would be great to come back .. he keeps the dugout loose .plus manny likes the guy. youk should be here for awhile in the first half of the season he did great with leadoff position . no getting rid of youk

[redsoxrules]

ok .. i think millar would be great to come back .. he keeps the dugout loose .plus manny likes the guy. youk should be here for awhile in the first half of the season he did great with leadoff position . no getting rid of youk

 

ok enough of this keeping the team loose crap , the sox are gonna win when they get more pitching NOT kevin millar

[Papelbon58]

why are we talking about trading Youk? Youk can play 3rd or OF and Millar can play first, and he would not be an everyday, maybe 2/3 of the time

[adam123]

why are we talking about trading Youk? Youk can play 3rd or OF and Millar can play first' date=' and he would not be an everyday, maybe 2/3 of the time[/quote']

 

your so right on that ... youk had a great season .. millar is a good club house guy and would be good for manny and big papi .. and plus hes a champion remember give him a pass :thumbsup:

[redsoxrules]

your so right on that ... youk had a great season .. millar is a good club house guy and would be good for manny and big papi .. and plus hes a champion remember give him a pass :thumbsup:

 

good for manny and papi how so?

[CrespoBlows]

good for manny and papi how so?

 

Because Millar is directly responsible for Manny and Papi having good seasons. :dunno:

[schillingouttheks]

This adam guy doesn't know what he's talking about when he posts. He lost credibility with me quite a few posts ago.