your red sox to do list

[Papelbon58]

Who the sox need to DFA OR Released

 

N/A

 

Who the sox need not resign

Trot

Doug Mirabelli

Foulke

Timlin

 

Who the sox need to move

Manny Ramirez

Lowell

Crisp?

 

who they should resign

Gonzo

Wake for the pen

Loretta

 

who sould sign as FA

Aramis Ramirez if CHI doesnt pick up option (same goes for torii hunter)

Daisuke Matsuzaka

Schmidt

Roger Clemens?

Barry Zito

Gil Meche/ cory lidle

Japanese closer Hirotoshi Ishii?

 

what big moves sould sox do this offseason

 

package manny or coco with a few prospects to HOU for lidge

 

manny package to Angels for Ervin Santana and another pitcher

 

Lowell to Padres for Scott Linebrink, prospect

 

ask FLA about Willis, ATL about Andruw, BAL about Tejada

just a few ideas...

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wow, that sounds vaguely familiar

[yankeessuck013]

ha i didnt feel like typing everything over again, and you had some good ideas

 

excpet dont resign loretta or wake

[CrespoBlows]

Dude...no one really understands your love affair with Pedroia yet. The kid has showed amazing promise in the minors' date=' but he didn't do anything in his opportunities in the bigs this year to tell me that he's ready to take the spot from a VERY solid veteran 2nd baseman who also happens to be one of the best #2 hitters in the game. There's nothing wrong with seeing a 15 or 16 year old girl and saying to yourself "Damn...she's going to be a knockout in 5 or 6 years."...there IS something wrong with dating them while they're 15 or 16. That's virtually what you're doing with Pedroia. It's simply not his time...YET.[/quote']

 

Dude... no one really understands your love affair with Loretta anymore. The veteran has been great throughout his career, but he really started to show his decline. He barely posted a .700 OPS this year, and hit 5 HR's, he also became a below average fielder. In September, Pedoria hit .228 and was only 7 points behind Loretta's OPS for the year. (.699 to .706)

 

There's nothing wrong with looking at a 60 year old women and saying to yourself "Damn... she probably used to be a knockout 25 to 30 years ago.".... there IS something wrong dating them while they're 60 years old. That's virtually what you're doing with Loretta. It's simply past his time.

[ORS]

Dude... no one really understands your love affair with Loretta anymore. The veteran has been great throughout his career, but he really started to show his decline. He barely posted a .700 OPS this year, and hit 5 HR's, he also became a below average fielder. In September, Pedoria hit .228 and was only 7 points behind Loretta's OPS for the year. (.699 to .706)

 

There's nothing wrong with looking at a 60 year old women and saying to yourself "Damn... she probably used to be a knockout 25 to 30 years ago.".... there IS something wrong dating them while they're 60 years old. That's virtually what you're doing with Loretta. It's simply past his time.

 

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BRILLIANT!!

[HeadOfSoxNation]

There's nothing wrong with looking at a 60 year old women and saying to yourself "Damn... she probably used to be a knockout 25 to 30 years ago.".... there IS something wrong dating them while they're 60 years old. That's virtually what you're doing with Loretta. It's simply past his time.

 

I agree with you that Loretta is past his prime...that's not my arguement. I see Loretta more so as the newly-single MILF than a 60 year old woman. Sure, the MILF was probably hotter a couple of years ago, before she banged out those kids, but she's still hardly something to turn your nose up at and very warranting of some loving. My point is this...cut and dry, black and white...you're going to get more production out of Loretta at 2nd this coming year than you would out of Pedroia. Pedroia's not going anywhere...I'm not saying we should trade him or anything like that. He's the second baseman of the future and I'm VERY excited about it. I just think that, when you have a solid veteran 2nd baseman like Loretta available, there's no need to rush the kid to the majors. Now...don't get me wrong...if Loretta goes down, or would require too much money, or anything of the sort...I fully advocate giving Pedroia his chance this year. I don't, however, think Loretta will command a whole lot of money this year, and the return on whatever you do pay him will be hugely in the Sox favor compared to the return they've gotten on the salaries that they've paid to a lot of other players. Basically, if it's meant to be, Pedroia will find his way into the majors this year. I just don't see a reason to push Loretta out of town when he's done nothing but perform in the one year he's been here.

 

BTW...I'll give credit where it's due, very nice job on rebounding the underage girl analogy. Well done, sir.

[Mr Crunchy]

he was an allstar at 2nd base

he was very good with the glove at 2nd and hit .285

i did notice his power #s went from decent to absent in the last 3 years

pedroia hit .191 in 89 ab's

 

im not in love with either of them

but i dont understand why the need to jettison off a decent 2nd basemen to instill a 191 hitter with potential who if he lives up to his expectations maybe a mark loretta type someday...

 

we got mark loretta already

[riverside sluggers]

im just being curious "HeadOfSoxNation", but why do you have a Yankee symbol as your avatar?

[HeadOfSoxNation]

im just being curious "HeadOfSoxNation"' date=' but why do you have a Yankee symbol as your avatar?[/quote']

 

I lost a bet...I suck.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think it was a wager he lost but im not certain

 

a friend of mine in the usaf lost a bet to a yankee moderator on another forum

his avatar now??

a guy going down on another guy wearing an airforce football jersey

[MANNYHOF24]

Why does everybody think we shouldnt resign Foulke.... First off he isnt a FA, he has an option and if he doesnt retire he is do 3.5 million. Plus since his return from the D.L. he had an ERA of about 2.00, his stuff was as good as it was in 04. His high Era before the trip to the D.L was scewed by like 3 really bad outtings, however when he pitched more often than not he pitched well. With Papelbon going to the rotation you have to keep this guy around, after what he did from Aug. 15th on.

[yankeessuck013]

On the Manny Front,

 

I wouldn't mind trading him for close to equal value, then signing someone like Soriano to replace him in RF.

 

any opinions?

[a700hitter]

Why does everybody think we shouldnt resign Foulke.... First off he isnt a FA' date=' he has an option and if he doesnt retire he is do 3.5 million. Plus since his return from the D.L. he had an ERA of about 2.00, his stuff was as good as it was in 04. His high Era before the trip to the D.L was scewed by like 3 really bad outtings, however when he pitched more often than not he pitched well. With Papelbon going to the rotation you have to keep this guy around, after what he did from Aug. 15th on.[/quote']Foulke in September was lights out. He hit his spots with all of his pitches. He re-established his changeup as a strikeout pitch. For the first time in a long time he was health. It would be stupid to cut him loose after he finall gets healthy. I would love to see him as the 8th inning guy next year.

[Papelbon58]

i would easily trade Manny for a good young pitcher such as Ervin Santana and a good infield prospect, plus have the opportunity to sign a myriad of free agent outfielders:

Soriano

Gary Matthews Jr (my top pick)

Carlos Lee is out there

Gary Sheffield

Jose Guillen

 

Plus, I want to sign Mark DeRosa as a fairly cheap utility player who can hit and play count 'em, 6 positions, OF, 2nd, 3rd and SS

[a700hitter]

On the Manny Front,

 

I wouldn't mind trading him for close to equal value, then signing someone like Soriano to replace him in RF.

 

any opinions?

I think it takes two good hitters to replace the great Manny. He is not only a power hitter, but a good situational hitter that can work the count and wear down the opposing pitcher. If they move him for prospects, they should get Sheff and Carlos Lee or Soriano.

[CrespoBlows]

Bonds, guys. Barry Bonds.

[a700hitter]

Bonds' date=' guys. Barry Bonds.[/quote']He says he hates Boston.

[CrespoBlows]

He says he hates Boston.

 

$10 million dollars might sway him?

 

Besides, weren't those comments made three years ago? Maybe he's changed his mind.

[ORS]

I think it takes two good hitters to replace the great Manny. He is not only a power hitter' date=' but a good situational hitter that can work the count and wear down the opposing pitcher. If they move him for prospects, they should get Sheff and Carlos Lee or Soriano.[/quote']

I think they can get a sum total gain if they do something like this. They'll lose value in LF but make up for it elsewhere. Soriano in RF is a gain - offensively and defensively (he was one of the higher rated LFs this year after he learned the position). Pena moves to LF where his flaws can be hidden by the monster. Sheff is a gain at 1B, and Youk is at least a push or gain at 3B - assuming they trade Lowell. That makes the lineup - by VORP at each position - likely stronger than this years lineup was and they net additional players for Manny and Lowell. Of course, it also takes a chunk out of the pool of funds to get pitchers.

 

Financially it looks a bit like this. Manny, due to the structuring of his contract, is only getting about $18M next year. I think Soriano gets somewhere in the $15-$16M/year range, and Sheff will probably go for something like $5M + incentives (up to $10M). If Sheff plays well enough to hit them, the combo is probably about +$8M over Manny. This assumes that Manny and Lowell don't require cash to move them, and I think that they probably will if the Sox want to get any ball players or prospects worth getting.

 

If they move them both for pitching, then the money spent there might alleviate some of the need to go shopping in the market. I think it would leave enough to still go after a stud (Zito, Schmidt), but this is part of the reason that Pedroia should get the hardest look for starting at 2B. Every penny saved - not signing Loretta or Nixon - can go to areas where the team needs to improve. If they want to stay under the cap, the sacrafice/risk will have to be the bench where they'll need to lean on the Murphy's to contribute when given the opportunity. They can't have any sunk cost not dressing for play regularly.

[ORS]

$10 million dollars might sway him?

 

Besides, weren't those comments made three years ago? Maybe he's changed his mind.

Probably not. Those comments were about Boston being racist. It likely stems from the fact that his godfather, Willie Mays, wasn't treated too well here. He was supposed to be given a try out for the Sox when he was 18. They brought him into town, let him sit in the hotel for the first 2 of the 3 days he was here, and then on the 3rd day let him try out. As he was warming up, someone from the stands (rumored to be Yawkey himself) said, "Get those n-----s off the field" and away he went. I doubt his perception of Boston changes.

[CrespoBlows]

Probably not. Those comments were about Boston being racist. It likely stems from the fact that his godfather' date=' Willie Mays, wasn't treated too well here. He was supposed to be given a try out for the Sox when he was 18. They brought him into town, let him sit in the hotel for the first 2 of the 3 days he was here, and then on the 3rd day let him try out. As he was warming up, someone from the stands (rumored to be Yawkey himself) said, "Get those n-----s off the field" and away he went. I doubt his perception of Boston changes.[/quote']

 

You and 700hitter are probably right. I was hoping it would be great to add a .450 OBP guy to our lineup in front of Manny.

 

Well, it is hard to reason with people like Bonds, but the Red Sox should at least try.

[ORS]

You and 700hitter are probably right. I was hoping it would be great to add a .450 OBP guy to our lineup in front of Manny.

 

Well, it is hard to reason with people like Bonds, but the Red Sox should at least try.

 

I agree, they should try. They should go out of their way to show that the management and town isn't the same as it was in the 50's. That said, it will be a hurdle to overcome. I shudder at the thought of him becoming the DH 200 miles south with that joke of an RF out there.

 

EDIT: By joke of an RF, I mean the dimensions, not anyone that plays there.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I would rather have ClayBucholzIsDaFuture play for this team over Bonds.

 

I understand who he is, I understand what he's capable of...but I hate him. Maybe I'm crazy, but I DO NOT even want to see a healthy Barry Bonds in Boston, let alone an off-steriods, old, broken down, and "running" on two bad knees injured Bonds.

 

Keep him out of Beantown.

[MANNYHOF24]

Just so everyone knows, Manny isnt going anywhere. Nobody is going to trade great young pitching for a 35 year old OF with a huge salary, thats why Manny is still here and thats why Manny will remain here.

[Anuj09]

anybody else think Murphy would be a solid 4th outfielder ?

[BoSox34]

Why would we need Bonds?...Ortiz is our DH.

[AirPantapas]

I guy I'd like to get is Casey Kotchman, I belive he was hurt most of year and he can be a 25 HR threat and is a good OBP guy. Lefthanded too.

[a700hitter]

anybody else think Murphy would be a solid 4th outfielder ?

I think so. You want the 4th OF to be a solid fielder and able to play all three OF postions. He can do that. He should be able to hit more than Kapler.

[EvilDonut]

I really wouldnt want to see Bonds or Sheff coming to boston both for personal reasons. I wouldnt mind the numbers, but seriously......Bonds?

[CrespoBlows]

I really wouldnt want to see Bonds or Sheff coming to boston both for personal reasons. I wouldnt mind the numbers' date=' but seriously......Bonds?[/quote']

 

.455 OBP. That's basically all I can emphasize.

 

Imagine that in front of Ramirez.

[example1]

.455 OBP. That's basically all I can emphasize.

 

Imagine that in front of Ramirez.

 

Imagine the slow-footed Bonds playing in the vast Fenway RF or Papi playing 1B then. The only way Bonds can come is if he suddenly percieves Boston as a non-racist town (whether it is or not doesn't matter, just his perception) and if Manny is no longer the Sox LF. Also the Sox will need to pay like 15m for his services (and 1m for his drugs). No thanks.