great to see pedro go down

[CrespoBlows]

But last year they might have gone deeper in the playoffs maybe even a repeat if they had Petey.

 

Possibly, but I don't think anyone beats the White Sox last year.

[ORS]

Possibly' date=' but I don't think anyone beats the White Sox last year.[/quote']

The Sox were a couple of moments away from making that a Series, and that's without getting a chance to pitch Schilling when he was finally looking good. I think they win the division and can set the rotation with Petey there last year.

 

That said, I want no part of him moving forward.

[a700hitter]

Possibly' date=' but I don't think anyone beats the White Sox last year.[/quote']Replace Clement's game one meltdown with Pedro and maybe the Sox take game 1. The White Sox had come off a very rough stretch drive and were desperately in need of a confidence boost. Games 1 gave them some confidence and breathing room. That series could've been very different is Petey replaced Clement in that series.

[Optimist]

Looks like Pedro won't be pitching in October.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/Home_MLB.aspx

[a700hitter]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060928&content_id=1688317&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

This is very weird. Everyone expected his arm to go, but first it was the toe, then the right calf and now the left calf. It's a shame that he can't pitch in the post season. Even at 85-86 mph he can dominate a team.

[MC Hammer]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060928&content_id=1688317&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

This is very weird. Everyone expected his arm to go, but first it was the toe, then the right calf and now the left calf. It's a shame that he can't pitch in the post season. Even at 85-86 mph he can dominate a team.

The toe I'm not sure I can explain but the rest of the injuries are due to having to compensate for his arm IMO.

[example1]

Well that would put him at no better than even' date=' because he looks pretty dumb for letting Damon walk. Smart move on Pedro or not, he's pitching for a playoff team as is Derek Lowe. We've been out of any race since mid -August, so how smart was he. Pedro's replacement (Clement) is much worse broken down physically than Pedro, and on his best day he wasn't 1/10 th of the pitcher that Pedro was in his mediocre years. So, let's factor on the $24 million that was flushed down the toilet to replace Pedro. Over two years, Pedro has given the Mets 24 wins for $26 million, while Clement has won 18 games over the 2 years for a cost of $24million, because he has won his last game in a Red Sox uniform. At least for the first two years, it has been a bad deal for Boston, although the team does get the float on the last $8 million for an additional year in which they will get no wins from Clement..[/quote']

 

You would have taken Pedro at this point last year, even WITH his current contract. A year from now Damon could still be fighting nagging injuries and could be virtually useless by the next year. Its not likely, but honestly if you asked me last year or two years ago "Who would you rather have for the next 4 years, Pedro or Damon" I would have said Pedro 5 times out of 5.

[a700hitter]

The toe I'm not sure I can explain but the rest of the injuries are due to having to compensate for his arm IMO.

It's usually the other way around. Arm injuries often result from compensating for bad legs.

[MC Hammer]

It's usually the other way around. Arm injuries often result from compensating for bad legs.

Yeah, but I think it works both ways. When you're legs are hurt you overthrow. When your arms hurt you over push off, and over extend.

[RedSoxRooter]

how about he has no toe/leg/groin/chin injuries and that it's his arm instead? That's the deal.

[a700hitter]

how about he has no toe/leg/groin/chin injuries and that it's his arm instead? That's the deal.

Are you saying that he's faking the leg injuries and the Mets medical staff is covering for him? If so, what would be the motivation of either Pedro or the Mets? Pedro has two more years under a fat contract.

[Jon_Papelboner]

boy pedro looks great for the playoffs . that means dreaded mets out in first round .. you herd it here first

 

You're a complete *******.

[Jon_Papelboner]

I don't wish bad things on Pedro but Theo looks smart letting him walk.

 

That's a stretch. Honestly you think the team was better off without pedro? I understand he's on the decline, but he's still a great pitcher. It's not like his career is over.

[jsinger121]

That's a stretch. Honestly you think the team was better off without pedro? I understand he's on the decline' date=' but he's still a great pitcher. It's not like his career is over.[/quote']

 

He is not a great pitcher anymore. 4.48 ERA in the NL east translates to 5.48 in the AL East. This team does not need him for the money he is making. He is overpaid and is not even an ace.

[rician blast]

Well that would put him at no better than even' date=' because he looks pretty dumb for letting Damon walk. [/quote']

 

I don't see it that way at all...how do you know Damon ever really intended to come back? If it was the $ he was after then there is no way the Sox would be able to meet the Yankees offer without overpaying...and I mean overpaying relative to the Sox desire to hold the line on payroll.

 

I don't understand how, unless you have absolute knowledge of what went on in negotiations, you can conclude that the FO screwed up...unless you are taking the "retain the player at any cost and forget the future of the organization" approach.

 

IMO, the decision to let him walk was simply a cost-benefit/business decision and the FO took the stance that he wasn't worth the $$ necessary to retain him given their goals for this organization. Also, let's not bash Theo for not resigning Damon because more than likely the decision was driven by the owners and Larry as much as it was by Theo.

[adam123]

You're a complete *******.

 

so angry whats the deal ... petey was great now hes done story conferms that so theo was right :harhar: :harhar: :harhar:

[redsoxrules]

so angry whats the deal ... petey was great now hes done story conferms that so theo was right :harhar: :harhar: :harhar:

 

well first of all he still has 2 years left on his contract , so nobody is right at the moment , 2 good year would erase that , on the other hand here's a question for you ,who would you rather have picked ? clement for 10 mil a year or pedro for 14 a year? well as it stands clement is toast and pedro could be good to go next year

[adam123]

well first of all he still has 2 years left on his contract ' date=' so nobody is right at the moment , 2 good year would erase that , on the other hand here's a question for you ,who would you rather have picked ? clement for 10 mil a year or pedro for 14 a year? well as it stands clement is toast and pedro could be good to go next year[/quote']

 

neither . i would have asked D-lowe back hes kinda solid i think he did alot for the team and did not get any credit .. only 42 saves win all clinching games of playoffs pitched when ever we asked him to .. but i dont know ..all i know is we made some mistakes with the 04 team ... alot of those guys should still be here come on down 3-0 that team had to have some thing

[redsoxrules]

neither . i would have asked D-lowe back hes kinda solid i think he did alot for the team and did not get any credit .. only 42 saves win all clinching games of playoffs pitched when ever we asked him to .. but i dont know ..all i know is we made some mistakes with the 04 team ... alot of those guys should still be here come on down 3-0 that team had to have some thing

 

exactly if you think that way then Theo MADE THE WRONG MOVE and not the right one

[schillingouttheks]

neither . i would have asked D-lowe back hes kinda solid i think he did alot for the team and did not get any credit .. only 42 saves win all clinching games of playoffs pitched when ever we asked him to .. but i dont know ..all i know is we made some mistakes with the 04 team ... alot of those guys should still be here come on down 3-0 that team had to have some thing

 

Does anyone else speak "illiterate?" Please decipher this for me.

[Mr Crunchy]

the fact we offered lowe nothing speaks for itself

we didnt want him despite his iron like self in the playoffs of 04

[jsinger121]

well first of all he still has 2 years left on his contract ' date=' so nobody is right at the moment , 2 good year would erase that , on the other hand here's a question for you ,who would you rather have picked ? clement for 10 mil a year or pedro for 14 a year? well as it stands clement is toast and pedro could be good to go next year[/quote']

 

Pedro is likely to decline even more.

[redsoxrules]

Pedro is likely to decline even more.

 

thats something we'll have to wait and see

[jsinger121]

thats something we'll have to wait and see

 

He is not the 1999 pedro anymore. His body is fragile and has alot of miles on it. Its pretty much a certain that he will get even worse than he was this year.

[riverside sluggers]

Does anyone else speak "illiterate?" Please decipher this for me.

 

yea I just got rid of this nagging migraine, but its come back quick after reading that post

[a700hitter]

I don't see it that way at all...how do you know Damon ever really intended to come back? If it was the $ he was after then there is no way the Sox would be able to meet the Yankees offer without overpaying...and I mean overpaying relative to the Sox desire to hold the line on payroll.

 

I don't understand how, unless you have absolute knowledge of what went on in negotiations, you can conclude that the FO screwed up...unless you are taking the "retain the player at any cost and forget the future of the organization" approach.

 

IMO, the decision to let him walk was simply a cost-benefit/business decision and the FO took the stance that he wasn't worth the $$ necessary to retain him given their goals for this organization. Also, let's not bash Theo for not resigning Damon because more than likely the decision was driven by the owners and Larry as much as it was by Theo.

Please put away your pom poms. What do we need to know? We didn't re-sign him. He went to the Yankees. They have the best record in the league and we suck. How unusual is it today for a star player to make $13 million/year? If they had to overpay him by $2-3 million a year, it would have been worth it to keep him from the Yankees.

[MC Hammer]

The guy who made this thread gives Red Sox fans a bad name. Idiots like you are the reason ESPN couldn't stop talking about how we were gonna boo Petey out of Fenway when he came back with the Mets.

 

Red Sox fans shouldn't have anything but love for Pedro.

[ImissPedro]

He's having rotator cuff surgery and will be out for at least 8 months... what a goddam shame

 

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060930&content_id=1691510&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

[He Hate Me]

so angry whats the deal ... petey was great now hes done story conferms that so theo was right :harhar: :harhar: :harhar:

 

Are you like a closet Yankee fan or something? Show some class. I still wished all the best for Chuck and Chad when they left, despite my misgivings about them.