September 24 @ Toronto

[riverside sluggers]

The "beginning" stretch of Sox now just playing for pride & prevention from falling out of 2nd place. Although true they do have a better schedule after Toronto, facing Tampa Bay & Baltimore at home. Toronto goes on the road to face the White Sox & Yankees. Snyder should be in line to return next season as the team's long man & occasional spot starter.

 

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Gustavo Chacin (6 games vs Boston, 4-0 record with a 4.11 ERA---Career at Rogers Centre in 25 games, 13-7 record with a 4.46 ERA)

Dustin Pedroia, 0 for 2

Mark Loretta, 0 for 5, Walk

David Ortiz, 4 for 13 (.308 avg) Double, HR, 3 RBIs, 2 Walks, 2 Ks

Kevin Youkilis, 0 for 8, Walk, 2 Ks

Mike Lowell, 2 for 7 (.286 avg) Double, Walk, K

Jason Varitek, 3 for 11 (.273 avg) 2 RBIs, 2 Walks, K

Wily Mo Pena, 1 for 3 (.333 avg) Walk

Gabe Kapler, 1 for 2 (.500 avg)

Alex Gonzalez, 0 for 5, Walk

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Alex Cora, 1 for 2 (.500 avg) RBI

Doug Mirabelli, 0 for 2

Trot Nixon, 1 for 4 (.250 avg) Double

Manny Ramirez, 2 for 11 (.182 avg) Walk

 

Kyle Snyder (4 games vs Toronto, 1-2 record with a 7.00 ERA---Career at Rogers Centre in 1 game, 54.00 ERA)

Reed Johnson, 2 for 5 (.400 avg) Walk

Frank Catalanotto, 3 for 9 (.333 avg) Double, Triple, 3 RBIs, Walk

Vernon Wells, 3 for 9 (.333 avg) 2 Doubles, RBI, 2 Ks, SB

Lyle Overbay, 0 for 2, Walk

Bengie Molina, 0 for 2

Adam Lind --

Aaron Hill, 0 for 4, 2 Ks

John Hattig --

Russ Adams, 1 for 1 (1.000 avg) Triple, 2 RBIs

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Troy Glaus, 0 for 2, 2 Ks

John McDonald, 1 for 3 (.333 avg) Double

Alex Rios, 3 for 6 (.500 avg) Double, 2 Ks

Gregg Zaun, 0 for 2

[riverside sluggers]

Ortiz at the top of the first with 2 outs connected for his 53rd HR of the season, a solo shot. Chacin's control was bad the first inning as he had allowed 2 hits, 2 walks on 30 pitches. Loretta grounding into a rare double play avoided from what could have been a big 1st inning

 

Ortiz is now at 230 career homeruns. The 2008 season seems set to have highlights of the countdowns to his 300th HR & 1000th RBI

[a700hitter]

Ortiz at the top of the first with 2 outs connected for his 53rd HR of the season, a solo shot. Chacin's control was bad the first inning as he had allowed 2 hits, 2 walks on 30 pitches. Loretta grounding into a rare double play avoided from what could have been a big 1st inning

 

Ortiz is now at 230 career homeruns. The 2008 season seems set to have highlights of the countdowns to his 300th HR & 1000th RBI

He's hit quite a few HRs against quality LHPs. Right now the big guy is doing it with no protection in the lineup. He's at 53 and counting. If he hits 55, he's still not the MVP, even though jeter might finish only 3rd in BA behind Mauer and Cano.

[a700hitter]

Snyder gives up way too many HRs.

[riverside sluggers]

Ortiz trying to bunt, he should only do that when the big bat in Manny is on the on-deck circle. Even still, no reason for him to be bunting at all.

 

Ortiz's Hr in the first inning tied the mlb record of 32 homeruns on the road. His counterpart is Babe Ruth

[riverside sluggers]

ok um they walk overbay to bengie so they can get a double play ball going

 

Logic of throwing Molina curveballs up in the zone???`From what I know, you throw balls down in the zone to try and induce a DP

[schillingouttheks]

Minor detail, but why isn't this thread in the individual game discussion forum? Haha.

[yeszir]

Minor detail' date=' but why isn't this thread in the individual game discussion forum? Haha.[/quote']

 

It is. <_>

[riverside sluggers]

Hansen & Delcarmen... yea theyre gonna need more than 1 free agent relief pitcher acquisition this offseason to build confidence in the set up roles for 07. Hell I think Hansen should start the season in Triple A

 

Good for Delcarmen he actually got an out this time. He only gave up 3 consecutive hits with runners on base to put the game out of hand, way to continue to end your season on a bad note.

[a700hitter]

I am so glad that the FO stuck to its guns and didn't give up Lester, MDC and Hansen for either Andruw Jones or Roy Oswalt. Afterall, where would they fit on the BoSox. Plus, Oswalt could never pitch in the AL.

[a700hitter]

Is Pedroia officially out of his slump at .192?<_>

[a700hitter]

Wily Mo Kingman strikes again. We really can't have Wily Mo and kapler at the corner OF spots at the same time. It's a horror show.

[riverside sluggers]

Theo please just do the Sox organization a favor & DFA the hacks Abe Alvarez & Lenny DiNardo

[a700hitter]

More Wily Mo Kingman. I'm telling you that he reminds me of Kingman more and more. You have to endure terrible fielding and k's game after game waiting for the occasional bomb which is usually against substandard pitchers in meaningless situations. Good pitchers make him look foolish.

[riverside sluggers]

More Wily Mo Kingman. I'm telling you that he reminds me of Kingman more and more. You have to endure terrible fielding and k's game after game waiting for the occasional bomb which is usually against substandard pitchers in meaningless situations. Good pitchers make him look foolish.

 

He has had big HRs for the Sox this season that has either tied the game or put them ahead

 

Just because pitchers are good against this lineup, doesnt mean theyre the same against everybody else

[a700hitter]

He has had big HRs for the Sox this season that has either tied the game or put them ahead

 

Just because pitchers are good against this lineup, doesnt mean theyre the same against everybody else

What good pitchers has Wily Mo taken deep?

[riverside sluggers]

What good pitchers has Wily Mo taken deep?

 

2 from Cliff Lee

Roy Oswalt

3 from Greg Maddux

Kelvim Escobar

Chris Capuano

2 from Doug Davis

Matt Morris

[a700hitter]

2 from Cliff Lee

Roy Oswalt

3 from Greg Maddux

Kelvim Escobar

Chris Capuano

2 from Doug Davis

Matt Morris

 

I don't know where you got the above- list. Did you just make it up? Below is the list of pitchers against which WMP hit HRs in 2006. Not an impressive list.

 

Walker (Toronto)

Lee (7-1 loss, he hit his Hr with the team down 4-1)

Lopez (balt. in an 11-1 win)

Orvella (Tampa)

Byrd

Sikorski(Cleve)

Huson (KC)

Hernandez(KC)

Benson (Balt)

Proctor

Escobar

[yankeessuck013]

I really would like to know why you are so pessimistic.

 

OK, we didn't make the playoffs. Big Whoop! I really hope baseball isn't your whole life, if it is you should probably go see a therapist or something. For the guys that play on the field- baseball is not their life, it's their job....and that's all it is.

 

WMP is a good player and with more playing time, his K rate will decrease, and his home runs will increase.

 

You need to learn that "young guys" need time...patience is a virtue

[a700hitter]

I really would like to know why you are so pessimistic.

 

OK, we didn't make the playoffs. Big Whoop!

Big Whoop? It would be foolish to be pessimistic if the BoSox were making a run at the title, but they are not even in the playoffs despite the second biggest payroll in the game. Some people might think pessimism is an appropriate response.

I really hope baseball isn't your whole life' date=' if it is you should probably go see a therapist or something. For the guys that play on the field- baseball is not their life, it's their job....and that's all it is.[/quote']I've managed to be married to a beautiful woman for 25 years, raise two kids who are attending college, become an attorney, and work 21 years for a fortune 100 Company as the head of a unit of benefits lawyers. What have you done?

WMP is a good player and with more playing time, his K rate will decrease, and his home runs will increase.

 

You need to learn that "young guys" need time...patience is a virtue

I hope that you are right. I was not opposed to the trade when it happened, but as I watch this guy, I get Dave Kingman flashbacks. I don't know what kind of stat or trend you are relying upon as a basis for your belief that his k rate will decline. It seems more like you are hoping. Were there signs of progress this year? He seems to k in every big situation and his HRs come against crappy pitchers. It doesn't give me much reason to hope. It's nice that he hits them a long way, but so did Kingman and Sam Horn.

[Cocos Disciples]

I don't know where you got the above- list. Did you just make it up? Below is the list of pitchers against which WMP hit HRs in 2006. Not an impressive list.

 

Walker (Toronto)

Lee (7-1 loss, he hit his Hr with the team down 4-1)

Lopez (balt. in an 11-1 win)

Orvella (Tampa)

Byrd

Sikorski(Cleve)

Huson (KC)

Hernandez(KC)

Benson (Balt)

Proctor

Escobar

 

Yeah the home runs were so pussyish they didn't even count.

[a700hitter]

Yeah the home runs were so pussyish they didn't even count.

Excellent point. Are you on your school's debate team?

[MANNYHOF24]

Big Whoop? It would be foolish to be pessimistic if the BoSox were making a run at the title, but they are not even in the playoffs despite the second biggest payroll in the game. Some people might think pessimism is an appropriate response.

I've managed to be married to a beautiful woman for 25 years, raise two kids who are attending college, become an attorney, and work 21 years for a fortune 100 Company as the head of a unit of benefits lawyers. What have you done?I hope that you are right. I was not opposed to the trade when it happened, but as I watch this guy, I get Dave Kingman flashbacks. I don't know what kind of stat or trend you are relying upon as a basis for your belief that his k rate will decline. It seems more like you are hoping. Were there signs of progress this year? He seems to k in every big situation and his HRs come against crappy pitchers. It doesn't give me much reason to hope. It's nice that he hits them a long way, but so did Kingman and Sam Horn.

 

owned.

[Ray10]

I agree that Willy Mo Pena just need's time he's a young guy and he will mature the more he plays. We can't jump down his throat yet he doesn't have much experience. But one thing that really gets to me after being at today's game sitting in Left Field and seeing what I saw is the fact that Kevin Youklis SHOULD NOT be in the outfielder. I am sorry but he is an infielder and that's it. At no point should he be playing Left, Centre, or Right and today was a perfect example of this he missed a routine pop fly and he made a really bad mistake on a ball that he shouldn't have been trying to barehand. I understand that the Sox that on the bench was three left handed hitting outfielders that they would have been able to use. But I would rather have seen maybe Hinske in Left today. It didn't even have to be Hinske just someone who had more experience and can play the position a little better. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Kevin Youklis isn't a good player because that's not what I think at all I think he is a great player in the INFIELD. I really don't think he should be playing in the outfield. I dunno maybe it's just me that sees this way.

[a700hitter]

I agree that Willy Mo Pena just need's time he's a young guy and he will mature the more he plays. We can't jump down his throat yet he doesn't have much experience. But one thing that really gets to me after being at today's game sitting in Left Field and seeing what I saw is the fact that Kevin Youklis SHOULD NOT be in the outfielder. I am sorry but he is an infielder and that's it. At no point should he be playing Left' date=' Centre, or Right and today was a perfect example of this he missed a routine pop fly and he made a really bad mistake on a ball that he shouldn't have been trying to barehand. I understand that the Sox that on the bench was three left handed hitting outfielders that they would have been able to use. But I would rather have seen maybe Hinske in Left today. It didn't even have to be Hinske just someone who had more experience and can play the position a little better. Don't get me wrong I am not saying that Kevin Youklis isn't a good player because that's not what I think at all I think he is a great player in the INFIELD. I really don't think he should be playing in the outfield. I dunno maybe it's just me that sees this way.[/quote']Hinske is also an infielders impersonating an OF. You are right. Youk should never be in the OF.

[riverside sluggers]

I don't know where you got the above- list. Did you just make it up? Below is the list of pitchers against which WMP hit HRs in 2006. Not an impressive list.

 

Walker (Toronto)

Lee (7-1 loss, he hit his Hr with the team down 4-1)

Lopez (balt. in an 11-1 win)

Orvella (Tampa)

Byrd

Sikorski(Cleve)

Huson (KC)

Hernandez(KC)

Benson (Balt)

Proctor

Escobar

 

yea I made up my list, even though Im quite the stat geek. I dont make up stats just to win arguments

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6522/batvspit;_ylt=AqTj1XpE4ATqvKa2Hann1xyFCLcF?year=career&type=Batting

[riverside sluggers]

Yeah the home runs were so pussyish they didn't even count.

 

Solo HR vs Toronto to bring the Sox back within 3 in the 6th inning

Solo HR vs Tampa Bay in 9th inning to make it a 1 run game

2 run HR vs Baltimore (yes the 11-1 win, but his shot put the Sox ahead for good in the 2 inning)

Solo HR vs Cleveland put Sox ahead by 1 run in eventual game won by Papi

Solo HR vs Cleveland put Sox ahead by 1 run in eventual game won by Loretta

2-Run HR vs Kansas City put Sox ahead in 4th, eventual KC walkoff win

3-Run HR vs Kansas City to put the Sox ahead in 7th inning, eventual KC walkoff win

Solo HR vs NY in 9th inning to make it a 1 run game

[Cocos Disciples]

I'm not even arguing this one. So blind...