Pitching Staff "07

[Anuj09]

Schilling said hes not sure about 07 potentiial hole in the Starting rotation

 

07 Rotation sans schill

Beckett

papelbon

wake (?)

schmid /Matszuka

meche

 

ideal rotation right there but who knows - the FO could score a great pitcher via trade. Is Vincente Padilla a free agent ? id love for him to be signed by the sox in place of clement

[example1]

The only 2 people that I miss from breaking up the '04 team are Petey and Damon' date=' bar none. Those were mistakes. I swear, if Damon is still hitting at approximately a .290 clip scoring runs like mad for the Yankees in his final year on his contract, that will not settle nicely at all with me. In fact, I almost hope it does happen, because I want the front office to get slapped in the face and learn that they don't mess with talent. You keep it. It's ok though, because this year the FO will be watching Pedro and Damon in the playoffs this year, possibly even facing off in the world series. I can feel the sting on their cheeks already.[/quote']

 

You want the front office to get slapped in the face and learn that they don't mess with talent? Why? So you can be right and they can be wrong? What the hell happened to ROOTING for your team? I want my front office to know how to find talent in ways that other teams undervalue. I want them to find a secret formula, something other than ($$$ = W) so that Sox fans can be happy and have a team they're proud of without having to spend $200m. I don't want the FO to give up on their ideas about how baseball REALLY works just because they had an injury plagued season after running through 2/3 of it very, very well and winning like 95 games 3 years in a row prior to that. They need to be more persistant and to learn from their mistakes.

 

I don't blame these guys at all for trying new things and being cutting-edge. I like a lot of the players they've brought in and from Foulke to Schilling to Beckett to WMP to Coco I know they are going after good, high quality players and that they aren't afraid to make a big deal. I like their draft picks. I like their USE of draft picks and the way they spend more money on minor leaguers than nearly any other team.

 

We picked up the following minor leaguers thanks to our non-tendering of Pedro, Lowe, O-Cab, Damon and Mueller:

 

Jacoby Ellsbury

Craig Hansen

Clay Buchholz

Jed Lowrie

Michael Bowden

Jonathan Egan

Daniel Bard

Kris Johnson

Caleb Clay

Aaron Bates

 

 

Now, I know minor leaguers are not HOF players, nor are they all stars. There may not be an allstar among the bunch. But there could be 4. Who knows. Ellsbury, Bowden, Buchholz and Hansen could all be really good players eventually.

[example1]

Schilling said hes not sure about 07 potentiial hole in the Starting rotation

 

07 Rotation sans schill

Beckett

papelbon

wake (?)

schmid /Matszuka

meche

 

ideal rotation right there but who knows - the FO could score a great pitcher via trade. Is Vincente Padilla a free agent ? id love for him to be signed by the sox in place of clement

 

Are you trying to say that Schilling doesn't know if he's coming back? Do you have a link to that? That means he's pitched the last game of his career. I don't believe it. He still looks good to me.

[mar_022]

Are you trying to say that Schilling doesn't know if he's coming back? Do you have a link to that? That means he's pitched the last game of his career. I don't believe it. He still looks good to me.

 

i've heard that from multiple sources...but i doubt he's done...probably just slipped a word in, was misunderstood by the media, or is sending a message to the FO to step it up this offseason to get him to come back

[example1]

He's under contract for one more year (I think it was a 4th year option that kicked in with the WS??). He's spoken publically about next year's team and how he thinks they'll spend more in the offseason. He never gave any indication of leaving. Again, if he were leaving they wouldn't be skipping his last start of the season just for the hell of it. They would have a celebration and make a big deal out of it, I imagine.

[a700hitter]

We picked up the following minor leaguers thanks to our non-tendering of Pedro, Lowe, O-Cab, Damon and Mueller:

 

Jacoby Ellsbury

Craig Hansen

Clay Buchholz

Jed Lowrie

Michael Bowden

Jonathan Egan

Daniel Bard

Kris Johnson

Caleb Clay

Aaron Bates

 

 

Now, I know minor leaguers are not HOF players, nor are they all stars. There may not be an allstar among the bunch. But there could be 4. Who knows. Ellsbury, Bowden, Buchholz and Hansen could all be really good players eventually.

You don't let established winning talent walk for draft picks. That's like selling your house for lottery tickets. Also, by letting established talent walk has had the effect of depleting the organization's prospects, because they were forced to trade prospects that are not ML ready for established players. It just makes no sense the way this FO has approached things. They've let established talent leave, traded top prospects to get lesser replacements, and in return they got extra draft picks. Yuk!! It seems like they screwed themselves. If the FO is so good at picking talented prospects they shouldn't need so many extra picks. There aren't that many Hall of Famers and All Stars in each draft If your scouts and FO are not good enough to pick off these rare players with it's own picks, what makes you think they'll do better with a few extra picks.

 

I have disagreed with the moves that this FO has made since they won the championship. This year the chickens have come home to roost. This team was awful. In many ways it was one of the worst Red Sox teams in decades. I believe the FO has received the cold slap of reality that their approach was doomed to failure. They went into this season in a position where the team could be competitive if every one stayed healthy and everyone had good years. In a situation like that, it only takes a few key injuries or players having off-seasons for things to spiral downward very quickly. If the FO was not embarrassed by a team that was out of it by the second week of August for $120 million, well... they should have been embarrassed.

[Sam Malone]

Buster Olney just said on Stephen A. Smith's show that if Roger Clemens pitches next year it will be in Boston.

[Anuj09]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2604373

 

'If'? Did he say 'if'? Schilling puts shade of doubt on '07

Associated Press

 

BOSTON -- Curt Schilling pulled the plug on the 2006 season Tuesday night and then let slip one little word of doubt about whether he'll be back for '07.

 

"If I come back next year, I know that the offseason will be the hardest of my career," he said.

 

Wait a minute. Did he just say if?

 

"Well, going into next year," he backtracked.

 

Schilling is due $13 million on the contract extension he signed when he waived his no-trade clause to come to Boston on Thanksgiving weekend of 2003. The money was an option that vested when the Red Sox won the 2004 World Series, thanks in no small part to Schilling.

 

But he turns 40 in November and he lost most of 2005 to the ankle injury that sent his bloody sock to the Hall of Fame. Although he pitched 204 innings this season, it took him eight weeks to win his 15th game.

 

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

[example1]

Schilling is a better pitcher than 8 weeks to get his 15th game. We all watched him this year. There were many games that with a typical sox team he gets a lead early and holds the other team down. He wasn't dominant but he was as good as most team's #1 pitcher I thought. 183 K vs 28 BB is pretty damn good; although the K total is down from Curt of old.

 

I wasn't so sure last year, but after this season I know he's got one more good season in him.

[mar_022]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2604373

 

'If'? Did he say 'if'? Schilling puts shade of doubt on '07

Associated Press

 

BOSTON -- Curt Schilling pulled the plug on the 2006 season Tuesday night and then let slip one little word of doubt about whether he'll be back for '07.

 

"If I come back next year, I know that the offseason will be the hardest of my career," he said.

 

Wait a minute. Did he just say if?

 

"Well, going into next year," he backtracked.

 

Schilling is due $13 million on the contract extension he signed when he waived his no-trade clause to come to Boston on Thanksgiving weekend of 2003. The money was an option that vested when the Red Sox won the 2004 World Series, thanks in no small part to Schilling.

 

But he turns 40 in November and he lost most of 2005 to the ankle injury that sent his bloody sock to the Hall of Fame. Although he pitched 204 innings this season, it took him eight weeks to win his 15th game.

 

Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press

 

Schill amended his comments a couple days ago...i read an article that said the "if" slipped...he said he'll100% be back next year...sorry i dont have the link

[Anuj09]

yup i heard that too, im sure Schill was a little frustrated or something

[mar_022]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xsptUfnhVcc

 

video of matsuzaka, nasty splitter that i didnt know he had...he's growing on me, but the price may still be too exorbitant

 

also...the video of supposed gyroball, but i thought it broke away from righties, so idk what this is for sure

[Cityofchampions33]

Id say if we're finally going to take a dive we should start with him, he's 26, has proven he can pitch against elite players (WBC) and has a great arsenal of hard pitches that are 80 MPH+

[ksushi]

I understand Matsuzaka has a rep. I fell in love with him at first and the things he did in Japan are ridiculous. Some of the strike outs I saw in clips are down right X-rated. I'm not going to cry if we sign him. I am sure he will be some form of good.

 

That said, I think the Sox would be better off investing this money in Zito. Zito has proven that not only can he put up results year in and year out in the Majors, but he does it in the stacked American League. We don't even know if Matsuzaka can do it in the majors at all. I think he can probably hold his own with an ERA around 4.5 but I don't think Matsuzaka is going to come here and be a Cy Young contender.

 

The Sox need swagger going into next year, not question marks. Matsuzaka, while a very good pitcher in Japan, is a question mark coming into the majors. We don't know how well he will handle that transition.

[pudge]

Schilling said hes not sure about 07 potentiial hole in the Starting rotation

schill said for sure he will be back in 07 in a weekly interview on weei with dennis and callahan .You can forget about matsuka hes either going to the stinkees or the mariners .He is good friends with both ichero and hideki matsui .This is very important because of the huge culture and language issues matsuka will face and his fellow country men will ease the transition .And if it comes down to a bidding war we all know whos going to win that. Matsuka isnt coming to boston.

[ksushi]

I'm not so sure that the Yankees will win any bidding war they decide to get into. I think the Sox have some spending to do. I know the yanks have deep pockets but I don't think they can write blank checks this year.

 

PS - If you refer to the Yankees as the "Stinkees" ever again, I'll ban you.

 

PPS - this is the most moderating ive ever done and it was a joke... well not a joke, more like kidding on the square. I don't have the authority to just up and ban someone... but I can kill you.

 

Don't say "Stinkees"

 

*whistles*

[example1]

I'm not that into Zito at all. I mean, I'd be okay with him, but in the AL East I'm thinking he's a #3 on a winning team. I want Beckett to be the #3 on this team (if there's a pitcher above Beckett and near Schilling this team will be good).

 

Zito seems to blow it regularly when I watch him. He loses his control, doesn't throw that hard, doesn't strike many guys out and appears to have no interest in playing in Boston.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm not so sure that the Yankees will win any bidding war they decide to get into. I think the Sox have some spending to do. I know the yanks have deep pockets but I don't think they can write blank checks this year.

 

PS - If you refer to the Yankees as the "Stinkees" ever again, I'll ban you.

 

PPS - this is the most moderating ive ever done and it was a joke... well not a joke, more like kidding on the square. I don't have the authority to just up and ban someone... but I can kill you.

 

Don't say "Stinkees"

 

*whistles*

 

[Mr Crunchy]

im wondering which of the 2

hansen or delcarmen will make the most impact come april

mdc doesnt have the gas that hansen brings but he does appear more confident and effective

no one disputes hansens gifts at this point but i think mdc is a better option at this time

[pudge]

I'm not so sure that the Yankees will win any bidding war they decide to get into. I think the Sox have some spending to do. I know the yanks have deep pockets but I don't think they can write blank checks this year.

 

PS - If you refer to the Yankees as the "Stinkees" ever again, I'll ban you.

 

PPS - this is the most moderating ive ever done and it was a joke... well not a joke, more like kidding on the square. I don't have the authority to just up and ban someone... but I can kill you.

 

Don't say "Stinkees"

 

*whistles*

stinkees :harhar:

[rician blast]

I'm not that into Zito at all. I mean, I'd be okay with him, but in the AL East I'm thinking he's a #3 on a winning team. I want Beckett to be the #3 on this team (if there's a pitcher above Beckett and near Schilling this team will be good).

 

Zito seems to blow it regularly when I watch him. He loses his control, doesn't throw that hard, doesn't strike many guys out and appears to have no interest in playing in Boston.

 

 

a move to the NL might be in Zito's future...I could see him with the Mets, and they might be just the team to pony up the big $ and trump a Yankee bid.

 

One great thing about him is that he doesn't miss starts...last 6 years he's started a min. of 34 games. It may turn out the team that gets him is the team willing to fork over the extra year.

[ksushi]

I think Zito could be dominant in the NL. An NL team might see tue value there and be willing to stick to their guns to outbid the yanks and sox. The Stro's, Mets and maybe the dodgers will have some money to spend this offseason.

[CrespoBlows]

I think Zito could be dominant in the NL. An NL team might see tue value there and be willing to stick to their guns to outbid the yanks and sox. The Stro's' date=' Mets and maybe the dodgers will have some money to spend this offseason.[/quote']

 

He'd look really good a few hundred miles to the south. (San Diego)

[riverside sluggers]

2007 Pods rotation would be sick: Barry Zito, Jake Peavy, Chris Young, Clay Hensley & ??

[example1]

a move to the NL might be in Zito's future...I could see him with the Mets, and they might be just the team to pony up the big $ and trump a Yankee bid.

 

One great thing about him is that he doesn't miss starts...last 6 years he's started a min. of 34 games. It may turn out the team that gets him is the team willing to fork over the extra year.

 

If the mets get Zito then I would look at them as the perrenial favorites in the NL east for as long as he, reyes, wright and beltran are all around.

[a700hitter]

He'd look really good a few hundred miles to the south. (San Diego)

He'd look pretty good in a Red Sox uniform. I'll take a 28 year old guy with 7 years AL experience with a 3.54 ERA. He would be a tremendous addition.

[Soxfan1]

2007 Pods rotation would be sick: Barry Zito' date=' Jake Peavy, Chris Young, Clay Hensley & ??[/quote']

Woody?

[example1]

Okay, I've been one of the biggest Matsuzaka proponents this "offseason" (the offseason really hasn't started yet), but last night I went and watched the June 6th SF vs FLA game pitched by Jason Schmidt.

 

I gotta say that I haven't watched Schmidt too often, other than his start against the sox a few years back and the occasional ESPN games. I heard he was injured and that he had lost some velocity (initially) after the injury.

 

My observations from that game, however, is that this guy is still very, very good. He struck out 16 guys in that game and pitched a CG 2-1 victory. He was regularly hitting 95, up to 94 in the 9th inning... mixing in tremendous offspeed stuff with it.

 

If he stays healthy he would be a tremendous addition.

 

At this point, I think I'm still in favor of Matsuzaka, but my order is:

 

Matsuzaka

Schmidt (close second)

Zito

[MC Hammer]

He'd look pretty good in a Red Sox uniform. I'll take a 28 year old guy with 7 years AL experience with a 3.54 ERA. He would be a tremendous addition.

I'd take him if he wasn't a soft tossing lefty.

[a700hitter]

I'd take him if he wasn't a soft tossing lefty.

Bill Lee was asoft-tossing lefty when Fenway was a hitters haven when it was only a single deck stadium. All the additions have cut down on wind aided fly balls, and Fenway is no longer a Home Run launching pad. Lee was a consistent winner and a bona fide Yankee Killer. Bruce Hurst did n't throw harder than Zito, and he was very effective in Fenway. Zito is a very good pitcher that has been very consistent performer in his still young career.