Eric Hinske

[markthemonkey]

As you all know the Boston Red Sox picked up Eric Hinske about a week ago. He has made a pretty nice debut with Boston. Any one surprised that Toronto traded within the division to a contender during the regular season. Now also reports of Wells being moved? It is a littlesurprising to me that you would trade to a rival, but what do you guys think?

[jsinger121]

Hinske is not in Wells class. Wells is an elite player and will be kept away from Boston likely at all costs.

[a700hitter]

I'd be very surprised if Toronto traded V. Wells within the division, but unloading Hinske was like taking trash to the curb for someone else to pick up.

[markthemonkey]

a700hitter, I'm a little surprised they threw Hinske out, because I believe he can put up all-star numbers, but thats just my opinion.

[a700hitter]

a700hitter, I'm a little surprised they threw Hinske out, because I believe he can put up all-star numbers, but thats just my opinion.

He's been a flop since winning ROY. If he could put up All Star numbers Toronto would have kept him in the starting lineup. Hitting .264 with 29 RBIs by the middle of August is getting any All Star votes from me.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm shocked that Eric Hinske was traded within the division. The Red Sox have not really used him to the extent I thought they would. I also don't believe Eric Hinske is a long term solution BUT...if you want to talk about a great bench player...someone who can play the outfield, 1st, and 3rd...thats a huge bonus. Just like Alex Cora I can see Eric Hinske being a huge asset to the teams success (if used properly).

 

Toronto decided to open the wallets this last offseason and have completely imploded. Goes to show you want a bad coach and bad attitudes can do to a team.

[jsinger121]

a700hitter, I'm a little surprised they threw Hinske out, because I believe he can put up all-star numbers, but thats just my opinion.

 

Hinske is nothing more than a bench player now but he can play multiple positions and that has value but it is an expensive sub to have on a roster. good thing the blue jays are paying most of it.

[Cityofchampions33]

Well, he's like anotehr Mirrabelli at different positions, but with a little more pop. Also, he's kind of expensive for a bench player, so it'll be inetresting tos ee what he gets from any team when his contract is up

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

If he only plays against RHP he could be useful.

[Ray10]

Hinske wasn't a surprise because the Jays have been wanting to shop him for awhile now. I live in Toronto and every single time there is a trade rumour Hinske ends up being involved in it somehow. As for Wells the only way I can see him leaving Toronto is if they get an offer that is going to get them everything they need or at the end of his contract. Where I'm betting he'll end up in Texas where he's close to home like he said he'd like to play closer to home.

[a700hitter]

Hinske wasn't a surprise because the Jays have been wanting to shop him for awhile now. I live in Toronto and every single time there is a trade rumour Hinske ends up being involved in it somehow. As for Wells the only way I can see him leaving Toronto is if they get an offer that is going to get them everything they need or at the end of his contract. Where I'm betting he'll end up in Texas where he's close to home like he said he'd like to play closer to home.

Plus, Hinske stinskes.

[seabeachfred]

Jsing, we had better hope that he is a better player than you say because I think he is going to see a lot of action next year and the Red Sox are commited to him. I wish he would return to the promise of his rookie year but I saw him during the Angels series and for a guy who likes the ball low, he has a very nasty habit of swinging at high pitches and missing them a mile. Papa Jack??? He had better start working on this guy. I'll tell you this; he is no Bobby Abreu.

[jsinger121]

Jsing, we had better hope that he is a better player than you say because I think he is going to see a lot of action next year and the Red Sox are commited to him. I wish he would return to the promise of his rookie year but I saw him during the Angels series and for a guy who likes the ball low, he has a very nasty habit of swinging at high pitches and missing them a mile. Papa Jack??? He had better start working on this guy. I'll tell you this; he is no Bobby Abreu.

 

Does it really matter if the Blue Jays are paying most of his salary. If he gives us anything close to his rookie year its a bonus. And why compare him to bobby abreu when thats the worst comparison ever. Who cares about abreu anyways.

[seabeachfred]

I care about Abreu. I saw him this weekend and the guy is some hitter. I wonder how many of those give games we lost to the Yankees we would have won if he had him on our team. I think about three of them. I do see your point, though.

[jsinger121]

I care about Abreu. I saw him this weekend and the guy is some hitter. I wonder how many of those give games we lost to the Yankees we would have won if he had him on our team. I think about three of them. I do see your point, though.

 

Oh please Abreu on this team would not have changed much at all. This team has holes all over the place. Anyone who thought Abreu would have changed is really delusional.

[riverside sluggers]

I care about Abreu. I saw him this weekend and the guy is some hitter. I wonder how many of those give games we lost to the Yankees we would have won if he had him on our team. I think about three of them. I do see your point, though.

 

Yea but Sox would end up giving up $27 million altogether for the services of Bobby Abreu. Id rather see that money be used towards pitching in the offseason

[a700hitter]

Yea but Sox would end up giving up $27 million altogether for the services of Bobby Abreu. Id rather see that money be used towards pitching in the offseason

I think getting Abreu and Lidle would have made a big impact. First of all, the days that Lidle would pitch would not have been forfeit games like the days when "The Ultimate Loser" Johnson, Snyder, and Gabbard pitched. Second, the Sox lost a load of 1-run games and the offense has been in a stupor. Abreu definitely could have made the difference in some of those games. In many games, the team left a ton of guys on bases and one key hit would have mqade the difference.

 

With regard to the $27 million dollar pricetag, that would be true if the Sox kept him this year and next year. I think if they had been creative this could've been avoided to a large extent. In the playoffs Abreu will get a lot of national exposure. If he does well, other teams will have an interest in him. The Red Sox in the offseason could have told Abreu that they would be going with Wily Mo as the starter in 2007. That would motivate Abreu to waive his no-trade clause (if he has one). The Sox could move him to another team in a salary dump and maybe have to eat some of his salary. I am tired of hearing the Red Sox FO whine about finances. The article quoting the $27 million was a cover story after the fact. The Red Sox made their offer to the Phillies, which was a reasonable offer that had philly picking up $6million of Abreu's salary. The Yankees swooped in afterward and took the enire enchilada. They beat the Red Sox to the punch.

[seabeachfred]

Jsing, all I said is that if we had Abreu we would NOT have lost all five games to the Yankees. That psychologically and well as artistically ruined our season. I have figured we would have won three of the games if we had had Abreu in the lineup and I take that to be something since it would have come against the Yankees. Nevertheless, all this means s*** right now. We are in the toilet and we had better start thinking about next year and the year after that.

[jsinger121]

That's laughable that if we had Abreu we would have won 3 games. How would we win those games if we can't pitch?

[redsoxrules]

That's laughable that if we had Abreu we would have won 3 games. How would we win those games if we can't pitch?

 

maybe cause he went 10 for 20 the entire series not to mentioned 7 walks 5 runs scored and 3 RBI's , if he was with boston instead it would have been a big difference , he was accountable for 8 runs in that series and not to mentioned making the opposing pitchers throw alot of balls ,take him out of the lineup and you have a crappy guy replacing him for an easy out wich would have helped preventing quite a few runs in the series

 

also since with the yanks he is hitting 368 with a 477OBP he would be deadly infront of ortiz and manny

[MC Hammer]

maybe cause he went 10 for 20 the entire series not to mentioned 7 walks 5 runs scored and 3 RBI's , if he was with boston instead it would have been a big difference , he was accountable for 8 runs in that series and not to mentioned making the opposing pitchers throw alot of balls ,take him out of the lineup and you have a crappy guy replacing him for an easy out wich would have helped preventing quite a few runs in the series

 

also since with the yanks he is hitting 368 with a 477OBP he would be deadly infront of ortiz and manny

That 10 for 20 doesn't mean s*** when we can't pitch. None of his numbers mean anything. We're losing because we can't pitch ... not because we can't hit.

[seabeachfred]

Hammer, right now we can't hit either---and Papi has been sent back to Boston with an irregular heart beat. Think of how punchless we are now without him and Manny or Wily Mo. Looks like Francona is going to have to finally learn how to manufacture runs by the hit and run, run and hit, steal a base here and there, squeeze, and get rid of that station-to-station baseball that he loves and loved when he was in Philadelphia.

[MC Hammer]

Hammer, right now we can't hit either---and Papi has been sent back to Boston with an irregular heart beat. Think of how punchless we are now without him and Manny or Wily Mo. Looks like Francona is going to have to finally learn how to manufacture runs by the hit and run, run and hit, steal a base here and there, squeeze, and get rid of that station-to-station baseball that he loves and loved when he was in Philadelphia.

Hitting isn't our problem. We didn't fall out of first place because of hitting. Pitching is our problem, and giving up a starter, and a reliever to get ANOTHER bat would be completely moronic. If we traded for Abreu at the time our rotation would have been ... Schilling, Beckett, Johnson, Gabbard, Pauley ... or Snyder.

[seabeachfred]

Hitting isn't our problem? I guess then I was just hallucinating over the weekend when we scored, what, seven runs in the three game Seattle series, and none last night. I never said we would trade a pitcher for Abreu; I never even said we should have traded for him. I just said if we had we would probably be four or five wins better right now. As for our rotation, as long at Gabbard and Snyder are part of it we might be lucky to finish with a 500 record. Mark my words, neither one of those two pitchers will even win three games for us.

[MC Hammer]

Hitting isn't our problem? I guess then I was just hallucinating over the weekend when we scored, what, seven runs in the three game Seattle series, and none last night. I never said we would trade a pitcher for Abreu; I never even said we should have traded for him. I just said if we had we would probably be four or five wins better right now. As for our rotation, as long at Gabbard and Snyder are part of it we might be lucky to finish with a 500 record. Mark my words, neither one of those two pitchers will even win three games for us.

Did you miss the part where I listed what our rotation would have been. 2 MLB pitchers and 3 guys that likely should never see competition above the AAA level. We could score 100 runs and it wouldn't matter.

[a700hitter]

Did you miss the part where I listed what our rotation would have been. 2 MLB pitchers and 3 guys that likely should never see competition above the AAA level. We could score 100 runs and it wouldn't matter.

If the Sox had Abreu and not the Yankees, the Sox would have been pummuling the Yankees in the Ponson game. The Yankee pitching was nothing special in at least two of those games, but the Red Sox didn't have the guns to take advantage. The Yankees did. In the last game, a single key hit could have turned that game. He most definitely could have made a difference in two or three of those games. He would have added some key hits for the Red Sox, and his absence from the Yankee lineup would have given the Red Sox pitching some key outs.

[seabeachfred]

Did you miss the part where I listed what our rotation would have been. 2 MLB pitchers and 3 guys that likely should never see competition above the AAA level. We could score 100 runs and it wouldn't matter.

 

Well I have two names to throw out to you. JASON SCHMIDT AND BARRY ZITO. We want to compete next year, we need two good starters and those fit the bill. Would our front office be willing to put out the cash to land these two pitchers? You know the Yankees would. I sometimes get the impression our esteemed leaders seem content to just let us enjoy our 2004 Championship and keep us in ignorance over their ineptness the past two off seasons. I'll tell you this; if we don't improve our rotation next years we might as well rebuild because we will not be able to compete. Sad to say but that's a fact.:thumbdown <_ src="//d1mqtyoopj0gsc.cloudfront.net/emoticons/default_smile.png" alt=":)"> :thumbdown

[schillingouttheks]

You have one name right, but the other's wrong. Barry Zito is a soft tossing lefty who would get s*** on at Fenway. All the other team needs to do is load their lineup with righties, pull the ball, smack the green monster, and voila, you have a nice display of horse s***. Zito would suck here, SUCK.

 

The name you should have mentioned was Daisuke Matsuzaka. Besides, Zito's going to want 5 yr / 75 mill. Matsuzaka would be expensive, but we'd get a lot more bang for our buck than if we had signed Zito.

 

If the Yanks want Zito, fine! We'll just take a s*** on him every time he comes to Fenway.

[MC Hammer]

Well I have two names to throw out to you. JASON SCHMIDT AND BARRY ZITO. We want to compete next year, we need two good starters and those fit the bill. Would our front office be willing to put out the cash to land these two pitchers? You know the Yankees would. I sometimes get the impression our esteemed leaders seem content to just let us enjoy our 2004 Championship and keep us in ignorance over their ineptness the past two off seasons. I'll tell you this; if we don't improve our rotation next years we might as well rebuild because we will not be able to compete. Sad to say but that's a fact.:thumbdown <_ src="//d1mqtyoopj0gsc.cloudfront.net/emoticons/default_smile.png" alt=":)"> :thumbdown

You can't be seabeachfred ... he used to be intelligent.

 

Even if we made the best offer to Zito he'd have to be a complete moron to sign here. He would get exposed at Fenway.

 

I dislike Jason Schmidt so I won't comment on him.

[seabeachfred]

Hammer and Schill, looks like I came a cropper on my two suggestions. Hammer, I don't know why you dislike Schmidt, but he is some pitcher in my book. He is a real competitor and has terrific stuff. He would be a valuable asset to our team. As far as Zito is concerned I have gotten hammered (no pun intended) here and on another board for making that suggestion. Well one out of two isn't bad considering how poorly we've been playing. Maybe go after Eric Gagne as our closer, put Papelbon in the rotation, get Schmidt and trade for Linebrink from San Diego for a great set-up man. What you have to realize Hammer and Schill is that I am throwing out names in an attempt to see what the consensus is for us to get out of this pathetic rut we are in right now. This reminds me so much of 2001 except that collapse came in September. If you have better suggestions I am all ears. Hell, we are all in this together anyway, right?