August 8th @ Kansas City

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Just so you guys know.....Curt Schilling was nothing special until his 5th season in major league ball. Its rediculous to say a 22 year old can't have better control in his career.

[Cocos Disciples]

Do you guys think Houston would have taken just Lester for Oswalt? What did ATL want for Jones, Lester, Hansen and Coco? Oswalt has won 20 games in the last 2 years, or 2 of 3, right? This guy would demand Lester, Hansen, and Pedroia maybe.

[jacksonianmarch]

Come on' date=' are you giving up on him now? Let's not trade him and actually let him f***ing play for us. He's going to be a quality major league pitcher, if not a perennial AS.[/quote']

 

He isnt what I thought he was. I was led to believe that he was a 94-95 lefty with impeccable control and a nasty breaking ball. Instead he is a poor man's Barry Zito who doesnt really throw gas and he cannot locate. He really doesnt have an out pitch, even though he does have a few good pitches. That causes him to extend ABs and shorten his IP.

[Cocos Disciples]

Did Hazel just say borsketball?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Thats another thing that got me. Do you guys think that Lester is going to be better then Roy Oswalt? Its not like Oswalt is 35 years old. Oswalt could have helped you guys this year and for many years foward.

 

Roy Oswalt was not available for the Red Sox

[a700hitter]

Come on' date=' are you giving up on him now? Let's not trade him and actually let him f***ing play for us. He's going to be a quality major league pitcher, if not a perennial AS.[/quote']Calm down. Unbunch your shorts. I like the kid, but he is not ready to be a #3 starter for the Red Sox. The fact that he is says a lot about where this year's team is going.

[Cocos Disciples]

He isnt what I thought he was. I was led to believe that he was a 94-95 lefty with impeccable control and a nasty breaking ball. Instead he is a poor man's Barry Zito who doesnt really throw gas and he cannot locate. He really doesnt have an out pitch, even though he does have a few good pitches. That causes him to extend ABs and shorten his IP.

 

He's also what we call a ROOKIE.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Just so you guys know.....Curt Schilling was nothing special until his 5th season in major league ball. Its rediculous to say a 22 year old can't have better control in his career.

My point being that hes not being helped being up in the majors right now. He caould develop better in the minors and gain better control quickly. If you read what I said, by having him up here now it might take awhile for him to develop fully.

[riverside sluggers]

Thats another thing that got me. Do you guys think that Lester is going to be better then Roy Oswalt? Its not like Oswalt is 35 years old. Oswalt could have helped you guys this year and for many years foward.

 

Ok as far as I know it wasnt straight up for Lester. The Stros supposedly asked for a package of Lester, Hansen, Delcarmen

 

following that:

there would still be 2 empty spots at the back end of the rotation

more prospects would have to be sacrifced for relief pitching help

[jacksonianmarch]

Do you guys think Houston would have taken just Lester for Oswalt? What did ATL want for Jones' date=' Lester, Hansen and Coco? Oswalt has won 20 games in the last 2 years, or 2 of 3, right? This guy would demand Lester, Hansen, and Pedroia maybe.[/quote']

 

I have a feeling that Lester has already had his value drop. The Red Sox turned down the ability to nab Willis with Lester as the centerpiece of a deal. Now, the Marlins would laugh at that idea. The Royals team is essentially filled with guys who wouldnt even be good in AA, so the fact that he is timid and ineffective against them will drop his stock dramatically.

[Cocos Disciples]

Calm down. Unbunch your shorts. I like the kid, but he is not ready to be a #3 starter for the Red Sox. The fact that he is says a lot about where this year's team is going.

 

My undies were in a bundie. He is not ready, but he will be in 2007 or 2008 ready to be a 1 or 2.

[jsinger121]

He isnt what I thought he was. I was led to believe that he was a 94-95 lefty with impeccable control and a nasty breaking ball. Instead he is a poor man's Barry Zito who doesnt really throw gas and he cannot locate. He really doesnt have an out pitch, even though he does have a few good pitches. That causes him to extend ABs and shorten his IP.

 

Alot of rookies struggle....ask Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine how they began their careers.

[a700hitter]

He isnt what I thought he was. I was led to believe that he was a 94-95 lefty with impeccable control and a nasty breaking ball. Instead he is a poor man's Barry Zito who doesnt really throw gas and he cannot locate. He really doesnt have an out pitch, even though he does have a few good pitches. That causes him to extend ABs and shorten his IP.

Be careful what you say. When I posted this type of review after watching him in spring training, I was universally condemned as a blasphemer.

[Cocos Disciples]

Guys, this is ridiculous. We're giving up on Lester already? We're giving up on Hansen already? It's one game, they'll bounce back, they'll develop.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Ok as far as I know it wasnt straight up for Lester. The Stros supposedly asked for a package of Lester, Hansen, Delcarmen

 

following that:

there would still be 2 empty spots at the back end of the rotation

more prospects would have to be sacrifced for relief pitching help

Maybe you do that trade, and prior to Nixon getting hurt you trade him for some relief help(The Pirates are so stupid maybe you rob them of Mike Gonzalez) and put Pena in the line up even before the Nixon injury.

[riverside sluggers]

Just so you guys know.....Curt Schilling was nothing special until his 5th season in major league ball. Its rediculous to say a 22 year old can't have better control in his career.

 

Just the same as power sluggers, none of them break out like Albert Pujols did. Papi didnt break out until he came to Boston. Manny's first season saw him go just 8 for 57, etc.

 

Its all about rookies having to adjust the majors.

[jacksonianmarch]

Alot of rookies struggle....ask Greg Maddux and Tom Glavine how they began their careers.

 

I completely agree. I just think I was led astray by Gammons rantings about him. Talk about a PR maching going in the favor of the sox. I was led to believe that Lester was a Koufax (I know just kidding) and he comes out and is essentially a young Ted Lilly.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

My point being that hes not being helped being up in the majors right now. He caould develop better in the minors and gain better control quickly. If you read what I said, by having him up here now it might take awhile for him to develop fully.

 

I doubt it would do him much better in the minors. You still pitch a game like you would up here. Let him get used to the seen in Boston and get him the experience. Its not like he is having a terrible time up in the majors. s*** he's 5-1 with an ERA under 4.00

 

....he's hanging in there but its the fact he is on the Red Sox and not throwing shut outs that people are getting on him. Who gives a damn the rest of this team blows. I don't necessarily fault the young guys....Timlin, Foulke, Clement, Wells, Wakefield, Beckett, Varitek, Nixon......injuries and players underperforming is the problem.

[jsinger121]

I completely agree. I just think I was led astray by Gammons rantings about him. Talk about a PR maching going in the favor of the sox. I was led to believe that Lester was a Koufax (I know just kidding) and he comes out and is essentially a young Ted Lilly.

 

Its called 22 years old.....Get back to me in 2-3 years before you can call him the next Ted Lilly.

[BoSox34]

ATG13, who's that in your avatar?

[Cocos Disciples]

Thank you. Rookies take time to develop, not everyone is Liriano/Papelbon/Verlander/McGwire/Nomah, etc.

[BoSox34]

UGGH RUDY.

[riverside sluggers]

Be careful what you say. When I posted this type of review after watching him in spring training, I was universally condemned as a blasphemer.

 

Well at that time you said he wouldnt even sniff the majors until 2007 or even later than that

 

God youre acting like he's a carbon copy of 2006 Jeff Weaver

[jsinger121]

Rudy doing what he does best.

[ACL BoSox]

back to 2-run deficit,

 

our bullpen has been sucking lately

[schillingouttheks]

My undies were in a bundie. He is not ready' date=' but he will be in 2007 or 2008 ready to be a 1 or 2.[/quote']

This is the problem. What if he doesn't ever become a 1 or a 2? There is nothing to tell you that he will be. You're all looking and saying that with more experience he'll get better, but what if he only gets marginally better? You have no proof whatsoever that he will ever be that good. Scouting reports are promising, but those don't mean anything when pitchers don't live up. If we could get someone like Willis, who we only hope Lester will be when he develops, then I don't understand how you guys would pass on that.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Is Rudy Seanez and Julian Tavarez still on this team??

[jacksonianmarch]

Just the same as power sluggers, none of them break out like Albert Pujols did. Papi didnt break out until he came to Boston. Manny's first season saw him go just 8 for 57, etc.

 

Its all about rookies having to adjust the majors.

 

Control improves as you age, but not a ton, typically. There are a few guys who dramatically improve, like RJ did, but most will have a gradual but not huge improvement. Power hitters, on the other hand, usually start out as solid line drive hitters and grow into their bodies. Almost every single hitter, for that matter, improve their power as they age. It is totally different.

[Cocos Disciples]

WMP esque.

[Buckeye]

SEANEZ!!!!!!! Damnit, man!

 

Edited to include the correct pitcher's name...