August 6th @ Tampa Bay

[jsinger121]

Hansen was the result of letting a free agent walk. So he is a draft pick that has already hit the major league roster.

[jacksonianmarch]

Hansen was the result of letting a free agent walk. So he is a draft pick that has already hit the major league roster.

 

And thus far the guy is playing like a scared little boy. He has done nothing thus far to justify essentially being dealt for Pedro.

[ORS]

Disagreeing with it is fine, that is your right as a fan. Just recognize that everything that has been done makes sense in terms of sticking to a plan. It's not the plan you want, but such is life as a [insert sport here] fan. Personally, I think it is imprudent to waste opportunities with one of the best 3/4 hitting combos in the history of the game. That said, revenue sharing is enabling teams to keep their stars more often now, and the Sox could be in a situation where they have to rely on the next generation of Matt Clement-heads if they deal their good pitching prospects now.

[Mr Crunchy]

personally speaking i didnt want to sign petey and damon due to health reasons but im buying what .700 is saying here for the most part

 

this front office appears f***ing clueless as to where theyre going next

2 shortstops,sanchez and ramirez were dealt for a stiff like suppan

an aging 9M dollar guy in lowell and beckett... we had a 3b in youk,thats why we dumpoed mueller,i like the move for pitching in beckett but whats up with dumping 2,20 sumthin lead off hitters who may develop into superstars,,,freddy snachez is leading the nl in hitting for the pathetic pirates and hanley is playing well in miami

anyways

they HAVE TO remain competetive and THEY HAVE to make money because of the weirdness of having 19?? owners in the henry ownership group

its a catch 22 on the business end which is fine but from a fans perspective i feel like they let us down big time in not persuing a deal to grab up a stud pitcher and in the meantime they went to war with a f***ed up wells who wanted to be traded

a f***ed up clement who was toast since june of last year

a 40 yr old wakefield off to battle with a 22 year old catcher who never saw a knuckleball

a 40 year old schill coming off his worst year ever with a big question mark in health and a bullpen anchored by the uselss foulke,the maniacal tavares and the god awful rudy seanez

 

what the f*** are they doing here??

 

they spent a lot of money here and they didnt put their best foot foward in making the team better for the next 2 months

 

goddam it

we had it all this year,i really believe this in my heart but as i said or screamed or pleaded

we needed another stud pitcher and theo gave us un gatz

 

i love the young arms and heres a few more that i loved over the years

calvin schiraldi

al nipper

wes gardner

aaron sele

john curtice

john curtis

juan pena

pax crawford

rose and pavano

or

pavano and rose

tomo okha

robinson ""cy"" checo

frankie ""she showed me an i.d"" rodriguez

jeff the strutter sellars

jeff suppan

tom bolton

dana kieker

 

all these guys were prospects and some made it into the show with success

all were untouchable at 1 time when we couldve moved them for bigger and better things

 

none as good as john smoltz jason schmidt or roy oswalt

 

i too love whats happened here with the young arms but they are what they are

outside papelbon none shouldve been deemed ""untouchable"" in my opinion

let someone else deal with growing pains and dead arm syndrome

 

i want a f***in championship

[Cityofchampions33]

Wow, all this after losing 2 games? Im pretty sure worst things have happened. Remember when we played .500 ball for half a season? that was pretty bad, losing every otehr night, how did that result? In a World f***ing Series Championship. We also got swept by the Yankees in mid-04 to go 9.5 games down, and what happened after that? We went streakin crazy and came back to 2 games by the end of teh season.

 

As for a700's "Anti-FO" rants, I think your taking it a little to far. You say youve been critical of this FO since day 1, and yet we've won a championship, and been to the playoffs every year this FO has been here. The only complaint I ahve of this brass is that they cannot seem to build a reliable bullpen the past 2 years, and that can even be argued against, in 03 and 04, we had tremendous bullpens with Foulke, Williamson, and Timlin playing big factors, and I still think underneath it all we have a decent one as we speak. Also, your really giving Theo the short end of teh stick, yes Duke brought in Tek, Lowe, Manny, Pedro and Damon, but Theo has brought in Big Papi, Schilling, Papelbon, OCab, Beckett, and many otehrs who could prove to be a big factor in later years.

 

i want a f***in championship

 

Is 2004 really that long ago?

[ORS]

personally speaking i didnt want to sign petey and damon due to health reasons but im buying what .700 is saying here for the most part

 

this front office appears f***ing clueless as to where theyre going next

2 shortstops,sanchez and ramirez were dealt for a stiff like suppan

an aging 9M dollar guy in lowell and beckett... we had a 3b in youk,thats why we dumpoed mueller,i like the move for pitching in beckett but whats up with dumping 2,20 sumthin lead off hitters who may develop into superstars,,,freddy snachez is leading the nl in hitting for the pathetic pirates and hanley is playing well in miami

anyways

they HAVE TO remain competetive and THEY HAVE to make money because of the weirdness of having 19?? owners in the henry ownership group

its a catch 22 on the business end which is fine but from a fans perspective i feel like they let us down big time in not persuing a deal to grab up a stud pitcher and in the meantime they went to war with a f***ed up wells who wanted to be traded

a f***ed up clement who was toast since june of last year

a 40 yr old wakefield off to battle with a 22 year old catcher who never saw a knuckleball

a 40 year old schill coming off his worst year ever with a big question mark in health and a bullpen anchored by the uselss foulke,the maniacal tavares and the god awful rudy seanez

 

what the f*** are they doing here??

 

they spent a lot of money here and they didnt put their best foot foward in making the team better for the next 2 months

 

goddam it

we had it all this year,i really believe this in my heart but as i said or screamed or pleaded

we needed another stud pitcher and theo gave us un gatz

 

i love the young arms and heres a few more that i loved over the years

calvin schiraldi

al nipper

wes gardner

aaron sele

john curtice

john curtis

juan pena

pax crawford

rose and pavano

or

pavano and rose

tomo okha

robinson ""cy"" checo

frankie ""she showed me an i.d"" rodriguez

jeff the strutter sellars

jeff suppan

tom bolton

dana kieker

 

all these guys were prospects and some made it into the show with success

all were untouchable at 1 time when we couldve moved them for bigger and better things

 

none as good as john smoltz jason schmidt or roy oswalt

 

i too love whats happened here with the young arms but they are what they are

outside papelbon none shouldve been deemed ""untouchable"" in my opinion

let someone else deal with growing pains and dead arm syndrome

 

i want a f***in championship

I'll buy it if you just say, "I don't agree with the madness of their methods." Where you lost me is when you say they don't have a clue. Look at the moves/non-moves. They have a plan, and they have stuck to it. You, 700, and even I, to a degree, do not agree with said plan, but it's pretty evident that it is there.

[a700hitter]

personally speaking i didn't want to sign petey and damon due to health reasons but im buying what .700 is saying here for the most part

 

this front office appears f***ing clueless as to where theyre going next

2 shortstops,sanchez and ramirez were dealt for a stiff like suppan

an aging 9M dollar guy in lowell and beckett... we had a 3b in youk,thats why we dumpoed mueller,i like the move for pitching in beckett but whats up with dumping 2,20 sumthin lead off hitters who may develop into superstars,,,freddy snachez is leading the nl in hitting for the pathetic pirates and hanley is playing well in miami

anyways

they HAVE TO remain competetive and THEY HAVE to make money because of the weirdness of having 19?? owners in the henry ownership group

its a catch 22 on the business end which is fine but from a fans perspective i feel like they let us down big time in not persuing a deal to grab up a stud pitcher and in the meantime they went to war with a f***ed up wells who wanted to be traded

a f***ed up clement who was toast since june of last year

a 40 yr old wakefield off to battle with a 22 year old catcher who never saw a knuckleball

a 40 year old schill coming off his worst year ever with a big question mark in health and a bullpen anchored by the uselss foulke,the maniacal tavares and the god awful rudy seanez

 

what the f*** are they doing here??

 

they spent a lot of money here and they didnt put their best foot foward in making the team better for the next 2 months

 

goddam it

we had it all this year,i really believe this in my heart but as i said or screamed or pleaded

we needed another stud pitcher and theo gave us un gatz

 

i love the young arms and heres a few more that i loved over the years

calvin schiraldi

al nipper

wes gardner

aaron sele

john curtice

john curtis

juan pena

pax crawford

rose and pavano

or

pavano and rose

tomo okha

robinson ""cy"" checo

frankie ""she showed me an i.d"" rodriguez

jeff the strutter sellars

jeff suppan

tom bolton

dana kieker

 

all these guys were prospects and some made it into the show with success

all were untouchable at 1 time when we couldve moved them for bigger and better things

 

none as good as john smoltz jason schmidt or roy oswalt

 

i too love whats happened here with the young arms but they are what they are

outside papelbon none shouldve been deemed ""untouchable"" in my opinion

let someone else deal with growing pains and dead arm syndrome

 

i want a f***in championship

This is what I have been trying to say all along, but you said it so much better. You had better be careful or you will be accused of not being a fan. All I have tried to say is that the FO has made some serious missteps in the last few seasons, and it is showing on the field.

[a700hitter]

As for a700's "Anti-FO" rants, I think your taking it a little to far. You say youve been critical of this FO since day 1, and yet we've won a championship, and been to the playoffs every year this FO has been here.

I never said that I have been critical since day one. I had no problems with the moves, business or personnel, until last year. They have made several missteps since they won the Championship.

[CrespoBlows]

BTW Since when did 30 become old? I'd say they still have some good years ahead.

 

It's not old, but you're best years are certaintly behind you.

[a700hitter]

It's not old, but you're best years are certaintly behind you.

That might be true for run of the mill players, but many Stars and Hall of Famers perform at All Star levels well past age 30. Look at Bonds (It wasn't all roids), Clemens, Yaz and going further back look at Warren Spahn who won about 260 of his 343 games after age 30. The great ones can lose a step and still be great barring a catastrophic injury.

[YanksHater213]

things could be worse.. papi could have gotten jacked up by some nucka on the streets, and manny could have killed himself playing with fire being manny. the way i see it, this team is far from out of it, and for some reason ive got some confidence that SOMEONES gonna step up and start s***ing on some bitches asap.

[BoSox34]

things could be worse.. papi could have gotten jacked up by some nucka on the streets, and manny could have killed himself playing with fire being manny. the way i see it, this team is far from out of it, and for some reason ive got some confidence that SOMEONES gonna step up and start s***ing on some bitches asap.

 

1. Nobody messes with papi.

2. what?

[Soxfan1]

is anyone keeping the standings.?

[RedSoxRooter]

personally speaking i didnt want to sign petey and damon due to health reasons

Same here.

 

this front office appears f***ing clueless as to where theyre going next

They are getting younger with home grown tallent. Theo has mentioned this a million times. No need to change the plan now that that talent has entered the league.

 

2 shortstops,sanchez and ramirez were dealt for a stiff like suppan an aging 9M dollar guy in lowell and beckett...

So you don't want the front office to try and better the team by trading young players for proven veterans during a pennant race (Suppon) or you do? I'm starting to get confused... :dunno:

 

we had a 3b in youk,thats why we dumpoed mueller,i like the move for pitching in beckett but whats up with dumping 2,20 sumthin lead off hitters who may develop into superstars,,,freddy snachez is leading the nl in hitting for the pathetic pirates and hanley is playing well in miami

How did dumping Mueller work out? He's done. I'm still confused with your arguement about trades. It's like you don't want to give up anything to get something and when you do give up anything it was a mistake.

 

anyways they HAVE TO remain competetive and THEY HAVE to make money because of the weirdness of having 19?? owners in the henry ownership group

Ok. But those 19 owners have worked out ok in their tenure so far. Maybe we need 25??

 

its a catch 22 on the business end which is fine but from a fans perspective i feel like they let us down big time in not persuing a deal to grab up a stud pitcher and in the meantime they went to war with a f***ed up wells who wanted to be traded

They only let YOU down. I don't feel let down at all. This team was flawed to begin with. There was never quite enough pitching for the depleted offense or vice versa.

 

a f***ed up clement who was toast since june of last year

The Clement signing was a bad signing. This was a mistake. But DLowe was an drunk who got 36 million to go to LA.

 

a 40 yr old wakefield off to battle with a 22 year old catcher who never saw a knuckleball

Don't forget we delt off Mirrabelli for Mark Loretta. How can you forget that. And Bard is every bit as good a catcher as Theo said he could be. I'm a little surprised you're not complaining about sending out Bard for Mirrabelli....

 

a 40 year old schill coming off his worst year ever with a big question mark in health and a bullpen anchored by the uselss foulke,the maniacal tavares and the god awful rudy seanez

I thought the bullpen was anchored by Papelbon and Timlin. And maybe another factor in getting Beckett was that the Sox didn't know what to expect from Schill. I'm actually excited about Foulke coming back.

 

what the f*** are they doing here??

Playing winning baseball during all this transition from old to young. They have the third most wins in the league (tied).

 

they spent a lot of money here and they didnt put their best foot foward in making the team better for the next 2 months

Correct. They are making the team better for the next 5 years.

 

goddam it

we had it all this year,i really believe this in my heart but as i said or screamed or pleaded

we needed another stud pitcher and theo gave us un gatz

Name the "stud" who would be traded here for Lester or Papelbon and I'll get back to you on that.

 

i love the young arms and heres a few more that i loved over the years

calvin schiraldi

al nipper

wes gardner

aaron sele

john curtice

john curtis

juan pena

pax crawford

rose and pavano

or

pavano and rose

tomo okha

robinson ""cy"" checo

frankie ""she showed me an i.d"" rodriguez

jeff the strutter sellars

jeff suppan

tom bolton

dana kieker

 

all these guys were prospects and some made it into the show with success

all were untouchable at 1 time when we couldve moved them for bigger and better things

 

none as good as john smoltz jason schmidt or roy oswalt

Hey, we also delt Schilling for Bodiker. It worked out, the Sox got to the playoffs for a couple of years but wouldn't you rather have seen Schill and Clemens or Schill and Pedro all in their prime anchoring the Sox pitching staff throughout the 90 isntead? This is the exact what we're talking about here. By 1994 weren't the Sox in 5th place?

 

i too love whats happened here with the young arms but they are what they are

outside papelbon none shouldve been deemed ""untouchable"" in my opinion

let someone else deal with growing pains and dead arm syndrome

Theo himself said most were not untouchable. It's just that the "stud" you wanted wasn't offered for them. If the Sox had offered Papelbon or Lester and someone else for Abreau and Lidle, would you be happy with the Sox FO? At the time they were in talks Nixon was not injured.

 

i want a f***in championship

Greedy bastard. You'll probably see another one in your life. Probably much sooner than you think.

 

Maybe just not this year.

[YanksHater213]

haha you quoted mr crunchy a record 15 times.

[CrespoBlows]

That might be true for run of the mill players, but many Stars and Hall of Famers perform at All Star levels well past age 30. Look at Bonds (It wasn't all roids), Clemens, Yaz and going further back look at Warren Spahn who won about 260 of his 343 games after age 30. The great ones can lose a step and still be great barring a catastrophic injury.

 

Proctor and Farnsworth don't fit in that category.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I really don't get you guys, especially the older ones like : Mr. Crunchy, a700 Hitter, One Red Seat ( only cause you agreed with them ), etc. We're not owned by Tom Yawkey, the Yawkey Trust, or a dot com. billionaire. We are owned by a partnership of successful business men. As such, they are going to run it as a business. This means establishing an operating budget, asset allocation, asset management, business plans, etc. The new owners, and then Theo came in to a dilapidated "band box", a depleted minor league ( especially in the lower levels ), over priced long term contracts, large deferred debt, and a record of finishing 2nd in the Eastern Division many years in a row.

 

So take a look at some of the things they have done. One of the assets is Fenway. Is there anyone that can say that they ( owners ) haven't made major improvements. They added ( without changing the look and feel of Fenway ) : additional field box seats, the Green Monster, the Budweiser Deck, the Pavilion, the EMC Club, the new concourse for the bleachers, the outside concourse on Yawkey Way, the new field and drainage system, the new players facilities ( batting cages, video room, medical ). The list goes on and on. For you that raise the argument that : "It's just to put more money in their pockets", you're totally wrong. They have to service this principal with interest, as well as paying escalating player salaries, real estate taxes, personnel payroll, payroll taxes, etc. Continuing this list would be wouldn't enforce this point and further. They have done this without public financing and in a non-supportive political environment.

 

I'll skip such assets as: media contracts, merchandising, and revenue sharing. But I will say that it was the current owners and management that significanty expanded our scouting, expenditures for draft choices, minor leagues support, even the DM facilitiy.

 

Major league roster players, as well as prospects, are also assets / liabilities ( if one considers bad contracts ). You can't responsibly run any business without constantly evaluating the cost and impact of acquiring any new asset or deleting a current one. Posts in this thread have ranged from bitching about trading prospects ( that turned became good ) and getting a stiff, not re-signing players ( Pedro, Damon ), to trades not made. I guess it's great to play Monday morning QB. I'm sure there are people bitching about Tek/ Lowe trade, Manny signing, and Papi. Let's see how Pedro and Damon hold up through the completion of thier contracts before making final judgement. As far as not making any moves go, that's a joke. There wasn't squat out there with regards to impact pitchers. Even the rumors had the Sox giving up 3 to 4 current roster players for one stud pitcher.That's not going to help us. There wasn't any teams that picked up pitching, with

the exception of the Yanks. But even that was a combination of salary dump and needs.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is this : the Sox have been in the Play-Offs the last 3 years, won a WS, improved facilities, improved scouting and minor league talent. All this while maintaining profitability and increasing net value. Anyone that has a better crystal ball and can tell in advance : who to draft, who won't get hurt, what a free agent will accept, and what other teams will accept in a trade, you have a very bright future,

[MANNYHOF24]

I really don't get you guys, especially the older ones like : Mr. Crunchy, a700 Hitter, One Red Seat ( only cause you agreed with them ), etc. We're not owned by Tom Yawkey, the Yawkey Trust, or a dot com. billionaire. We are owned by a partnership of successful business men. As such, they are going to run it as a business. This means establishing an operating budget, asset allocation, asset management, business plans, etc. The new owners, and then Theo came in to a dilapidated "band box", a depleted minor league ( especially in the lower levels ), over priced long term contracts, large deferred debt, and a record of finishing 2nd in the Eastern Division many years in a row.

 

So take a look at some of the things they have done. One of the assets is Fenway. Is there anyone that can say that they ( owners ) haven't made major improvements. They added ( without changing the look and feel of Fenway ) : additional field box seats, the Green Monster, the Budweiser Deck, the Pavilion, the EMC Club, the new concourse for the bleachers, the outside concourse on Yawkey Way, the new field and drainage system, the new players facilities ( batting cages, video room, medical ). The list goes on and on. For you that raise the argument that : "It's just to put more money in their pockets", you're totally wrong. They have to service this principal with interest, as well as paying escalating player salaries, real estate taxes, personnel payroll, payroll taxes, etc. Continuing this list would be wouldn't enforce this point and further. They have done this without public financing and in a non-supportive political environment.

 

I'll skip such assets as: media contracts, merchandising, and revenue sharing. But I will say that it was the current owners and management that significanty expanded our scouting, expenditures for draft choices, minor leagues support, even the DM facilitiy.

 

Major league roster players, as well as prospects, are also assets / liabilities ( if one considers bad contracts ). You can't responsibly run any business without constantly evaluating the cost and impact of acquiring any new asset or deleting a current one. Posts in this thread have ranged from bitching about trading prospects ( that turned became good ) and getting a stiff, not re-signing players ( Pedro, Damon ), to trades not made. I guess it's great to play Monday morning QB. I'm sure there are people bitching about Tek/ Lowe trade, Manny signing, and Papi. Let's see how Pedro and Damon hold up through the completion of thier contracts before making final judgement. As far as not making any moves go, that's a joke. There wasn't squat out there with regards to impact pitchers. Even the rumors had the Sox giving up 3 to 4 current roster players for one stud pitcher.That's not going to help us. There wasn't any teams that picked up pitching, with

the exception of the Yanks. But even that was a combination of salary dump and needs.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is this : the Sox have been in the Play-Offs the last 3 years, won a WS, improved facilities, improved scouting and minor league talent. All this while maintaining profitability and increasing net value. Anyone that has a better crystal ball and can tell in advance : who to draft, who won't get hurt, what a free agent will accept, and what other teams will accept in a trade, you have a very bright future,

 

Well said.

[MANNYHOF24]

The way I see it is that the 2004 team was a one time deal. It was a very old and veteran team that had to have a win now mentality, and they did just that. I am a fan of Theo, who after we got our w.s. things had to change. No more bad contracts (yes I think 50 million for both Pedro and Damon are bad contracts.) I love that this team has gotten younger, but we are still very good, and if Wake and Tek get back we could make a W.S run. I am Theo's biggest fan (except for, Clement Seanze and Taverez)

[jsinger121]

I really don't get you guys, especially the older ones like : Mr. Crunchy, a700 Hitter, One Red Seat ( only cause you agreed with them ), etc. We're not owned by Tom Yawkey, the Yawkey Trust, or a dot com. billionaire. We are owned by a partnership of successful business men. As such, they are going to run it as a business. This means establishing an operating budget, asset allocation, asset management, business plans, etc. The new owners, and then Theo came in to a dilapidated "band box", a depleted minor league ( especially in the lower levels ), over priced long term contracts, large deferred debt, and a record of finishing 2nd in the Eastern Division many years in a row.

 

So take a look at some of the things they have done. One of the assets is Fenway. Is there anyone that can say that they ( owners ) haven't made major improvements. They added ( without changing the look and feel of Fenway ) : additional field box seats, the Green Monster, the Budweiser Deck, the Pavilion, the EMC Club, the new concourse for the bleachers, the outside concourse on Yawkey Way, the new field and drainage system, the new players facilities ( batting cages, video room, medical ). The list goes on and on. For you that raise the argument that : "It's just to put more money in their pockets", you're totally wrong. They have to service this principal with interest, as well as paying escalating player salaries, real estate taxes, personnel payroll, payroll taxes, etc. Continuing this list would be wouldn't enforce this point and further. They have done this without public financing and in a non-supportive political environment.

 

I'll skip such assets as: media contracts, merchandising, and revenue sharing. But I will say that it was the current owners and management that significanty expanded our scouting, expenditures for draft choices, minor leagues support, even the DM facilitiy.

 

Major league roster players, as well as prospects, are also assets / liabilities ( if one considers bad contracts ). You can't responsibly run any business without constantly evaluating the cost and impact of acquiring any new asset or deleting a current one. Posts in this thread have ranged from bitching about trading prospects ( that turned became good ) and getting a stiff, not re-signing players ( Pedro, Damon ), to trades not made. I guess it's great to play Monday morning QB. I'm sure there are people bitching about Tek/ Lowe trade, Manny signing, and Papi. Let's see how Pedro and Damon hold up through the completion of thier contracts before making final judgement. As far as not making any moves go, that's a joke. There wasn't squat out there with regards to impact pitchers. Even the rumors had the Sox giving up 3 to 4 current roster players for one stud pitcher.That's not going to help us. There wasn't any teams that picked up pitching, with

the exception of the Yanks. But even that was a combination of salary dump and needs.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is this : the Sox have been in the Play-Offs the last 3 years, won a WS, improved facilities, improved scouting and minor league talent. All this while maintaining profitability and increasing net value. Anyone that has a better crystal ball and can tell in advance : who to draft, who won't get hurt, what a free agent will accept, and what other teams will accept in a trade, you have a very bright future,

 

thank you

[Buckeye]

I really don't get you guys, especially the older ones like : Mr. Crunchy, a700 Hitter, One Red Seat ( only cause you agreed with them ), etc. We're not owned by Tom Yawkey, the Yawkey Trust, or a dot com. billionaire. We are owned by a partnership of successful business men. As such, they are going to run it as a business. This means establishing an operating budget, asset allocation, asset management, business plans, etc. The new owners, and then Theo came in to a dilapidated "band box", a depleted minor league ( especially in the lower levels ), over priced long term contracts, large deferred debt, and a record of finishing 2nd in the Eastern Division many years in a row.

 

So take a look at some of the things they have done. One of the assets is Fenway. Is there anyone that can say that they ( owners ) haven't made major improvements. They added ( without changing the look and feel of Fenway ) : additional field box seats, the Green Monster, the Budweiser Deck, the Pavilion, the EMC Club, the new concourse for the bleachers, the outside concourse on Yawkey Way, the new field and drainage system, the new players facilities ( batting cages, video room, medical ). The list goes on and on. For you that raise the argument that : "It's just to put more money in their pockets", you're totally wrong. They have to service this principal with interest, as well as paying escalating player salaries, real estate taxes, personnel payroll, payroll taxes, etc. Continuing this list would be wouldn't enforce this point and further. They have done this without public financing and in a non-supportive political environment.

 

I'll skip such assets as: media contracts, merchandising, and revenue sharing. But I will say that it was the current owners and management that significanty expanded our scouting, expenditures for draft choices, minor leagues support, even the DM facilitiy.

 

Major league roster players, as well as prospects, are also assets / liabilities ( if one considers bad contracts ). You can't responsibly run any business without constantly evaluating the cost and impact of acquiring any new asset or deleting a current one. Posts in this thread have ranged from bitching about trading prospects ( that turned became good ) and getting a stiff, not re-signing players ( Pedro, Damon ), to trades not made. I guess it's great to play Monday morning QB. I'm sure there are people bitching about Tek/ Lowe trade, Manny signing, and Papi. Let's see how Pedro and Damon hold up through the completion of thier contracts before making final judgement. As far as not making any moves go, that's a joke. There wasn't squat out there with regards to impact pitchers. Even the rumors had the Sox giving up 3 to 4 current roster players for one stud pitcher.That's not going to help us. There wasn't any teams that picked up pitching, with

the exception of the Yanks. But even that was a combination of salary dump and needs.

 

So I guess what I'm saying is this : the Sox have been in the Play-Offs the last 3 years, won a WS, improved facilities, improved scouting and minor league talent. All this while maintaining profitability and increasing net value. Anyone that has a better crystal ball and can tell in advance : who to draft, who won't get hurt, what a free agent will accept, and what other teams will accept in a trade, you have a very bright future,

 

Excellent post.

[YanksHater213]

vagina

[YanksHater213]

vagina

very well said

[BoSox34]

wtf?

[Cityofchampions33]

haha

[Sox Fan on Cape]

vagina

 

You know how to spell the word, but do you know it's use and application ?

[YanksHater213]

most definitely, SFoC

[a700hitter]

I really don't get you guys, especially the older ones like : Mr. Crunchy, a700 Hitter, One Red Seat ( only cause you agreed with them ), etc. We're not owned by Tom Yawkey, the Yawkey Trust, or a dot com. billionaire. We are owned by a partnership of successful business men. As such, they are going to run it as a business. This means establishing an operating budget, asset allocation, asset management, business plans, etc. The new owners, and then Theo came in to a dilapidated "band box", a depleted minor league ( especially in the lower levels ), over priced long term contracts, large deferred debt, and a record of finishing 2nd in the Eastern Division many years in a row.

No one here is saying that the ownership isn't comprised of good businessmen. They have made a lot of good moves to improve the value of the franchise, but it is the baseball personnel moves that I am questioning. The primary building blocks such as Pedro and Damon could've been retained while building for the future without adding too much to current payroll. There were a number of poor ill-advised contract signings.

Major league roster players, as well as prospects, are also assets / liabilities ( if one considers bad contracts ). You can't responsibly run any business without constantly evaluating the cost and impact of acquiring any new asset or deleting a current one. Posts in this thread have ranged from bitching about trading prospects ( that turned became good ) and getting a stiff, not re-signing players ( Pedro, Damon ), to trades not made. I guess it's great to play Monday morning QB. I'm sure there are people bitching about Tek/ Lowe trade, Manny signing, and Papi. Let's see how Pedro and Damon hold up through the completion of thier contracts before making final judgement.

I don't subscribe to the "twilight of their careers" theory with regard to Damon and Pedro. It was wrong with Clemens and it is wrong with regard to Damon and Pedro. Pedro is still winning games at a .700 clip over his first two years and has made two all star teams. He's on his way to the playoffs with the Mets who are favored to make it to the WS. Damon has been exactly what the Yanks had hoped for and it is because of him and Jeter that the Yankee didn't crumble after injuries to Matsui and Sheffield.

As far as not making any moves go, that's a joke. There wasn't squat out there with regards to impact pitchers. Even the rumors had the Sox giving up 3 to 4 current roster players for one stud pitcher.That's not going to help us. There wasn't any teams that picked up pitching, with

the exception of the Yanks. But even that was a combination of salary dump and needs.

Doing nothing was unacceptable. If an impact move couldn't be made, less expensive moves should have been made to get the team through this rough period. E.G. Livan Hernandez.

So I guess what I'm saying is this : the Sox have been in the Play-Offs the last 3 years, won a WS, improved facilities, improved scouting and minor league talent. All this while maintaining profitability and increasing net value. Anyone that has a better crystal ball and can tell in advance : who to draft, who won't get hurt, what a free agent will accept, and what other teams will accept in a trade, you have a very bright future,

Expecting Wells to last two years was a low probability move. Expecting Clement to perform in Boston was a low probability move at a very high cost. Re-signing Derek Lowe would have been a smarter move whether he is a drunk or not. I heard that JH didn't like him flashing his girlfriend at team functions while he was still married. The baseball personnel moves on the whole have not worked out very well. IMO there have been more bad moves than good moves. I don't see what is so controversial about that. The proof will be in the pudding as they say. This team is a long shot to make the playoffs while Damon's Yankees and Pedro's Mets will be playing ball in October.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

a700 Hitter, you keep bitching about what could have, should have, and what your happy with. Come back to reality. Pedro and Damon were overpaid in terms of money and length of contract. Please stop beating a moot point, you posted that same damn thing time and time again. Its getting seriously old. The problem wasn't the money, it was the length of the contracts and a sleeze ball agent. When the contracts are complete then we can start discussing if it was a good or bad move.

Your insight in purely 20/20 in hindsight, Alqays after the fact. I will also add that it's almost always negative. Negative and pessimistic to the Red Sox and management with regards to past, present, and future. Your comments against the Yankees and thier fans are usually unfounded and made with bias, and animosity. I'm a Red Sox fan true and blue long before you and just about anyone here, but I can respect good ballplayers, good teams, and good moves ( acquisitions and trades ). Also, don't miss quote, paraphase, or interperlate what I have said, I have the ability to express my own thoughts and opinions.

Big deal, we didn't give away the house, farm and bank account to satisfy you just to make a trade at the deadline. Which I might add you'd probably criticize, or at least attempt to. You are not privy to, nor is anyoe on this site to the internal workings of the potential trades. There were NO block buster trades in Major League baseball. The reason being, was that the asking price was too high. The Yanks filled a few needs and probably did the best in the AL as far as improving thier team. Those players, and contracts would

not necessarily be a fit with the Sox and their future plans.

 

I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just saying that maybe it's time for your to be a little more positive for the Sox, and a little more respectful of other teams.

[kreinbihl34]

Well 700 the point you dont see with the Mets, they did what we are doing now. Saving young talent and delevoping them into stars. In 3 years when Youk and Dustin are all stars and Wily Mo is cracking 50 a year call me.