The Yankee GAME thread

[Optimist]

The Sox will take care of that momentary lapse under 5.

 

Do you remember what happened last time you made a prediction like that about a Yankee pitcher?

[a700hitter]

Nope, however you are throwing that 5 ERA thing in our face for awhile and you also said he would be a BP pitcher by now. Just reminding you of what has been said.

It's still August and his ERA is a big .08 under 5. Do you really want to be popping of already?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

It's still August and his ERA is a big .08 under 5. Do you really want to be popping of already?

Its not about popping off. You said he would be a BP pitcher by now and hes 2-0 against the White Sox and Angels (Who hit us like a pinata). Doesnt look like a BP pitcher too us.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Do you remember what happened last time you made a prediction like that about a Yankee pitcher?

I believe that was the "scab" prediction.

[a700hitter]

I'm curious to know what he thought Beckett's ERA would be by August:D

I think it is a compliment for the 25 yr old Beckett to be compared to Randy Johnson.

 

BTW: At age 26 Randy Johnson had 31 wins. Beckett already has 44.

[TheKilo]

I think it is a compliment for the 25 yr old Beckett to be compared to Randy Johnson.

 

BTW: At age 26 Randy Johnson had 31 wins. Beckett already has 44.

 

 

Randy Johnson got called up to the bigs when he was 24 or 25 I think.

 

Beckett's got a few years on him.

[a700hitter]

I believe that was the "scab" prediction.

How is that scab doing?

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I think it is a compliment for the 25 yr old Beckett to be compared to 42 yr old Randy Johnson.

 

fixed it for ya.

[jacksonianmarch]

Talk about 2 guys going in opposite directions. RJ threw two solid outings in a row against 2 playoff caliber teams. Beckett has been downright awful since the AS break. If Johnson gets going, that is one hell of a 3 headed monster to have to face in October.

[a700hitter]

Randy Johnson got called up to the bigs when he was 24 or 25 I think.

Beckett's got a few years on him.

You are right. I misread the stats. He only had 24 wins at age 26. It's 44 and counting v. 24 for Randy Johnson at the same age. Is that a negative thing that Beckett developed into a major league pitcher at an earlier age than Randy Johnson?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

How is that scab doing?

Fine, he got a stomach flu in his last outting and he stuck it out for 4 innings. I'd say hes been better then Jason Johnson.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

You are right. I misread the stats. He only had 24 wins at age 26. Is that a negative thing that Beckett developed into a major league pitcher at an earlier age than Randy Johnson?

 

No, it's a negative thing that RJ is better at 42.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Talk about 2 guys going in opposite directions. RJ threw two solid outings in a row against 2 playoff caliber teams. Beckett has been downright awful since the AS break. If Johnson gets going, that is one hell of a 3 headed monster to have to face in October.

Its not even the last 2 starts. RJ has admitted that throwing 129 pitches against the M's set him back (Kinda like Schilling against the Guardians earlier in the year). Outside of the start against the D-rays hes pitched really nothing but QS since that Mets start he had on July 1st.

[jacksonianmarch]

The fact is, the red sox now have 1 good pitcher and 4 ???'s and the yankees have 3 good pitchers with 2 serviceable guys finishing out the rotation. If the white sox pitching starts getting going, then the red sox will have tee times in October, cause i think they wont catch the yankees. This weekend will be very telling, and I see a very bleak outlook for the sox with the way they are pitching.

[a700hitter]

No, it's a negative thing that RJ is better at 42.

As it was for a 26 year old Randy johnson, when he wasn't as good as a 43 year old Nolan Ryan? Yeah, that's right. Look it up...1990.

[a700hitter]

Fine, he got a stomach flu in his last outting and he stuck it out for 4 innings. I'd say hes been better then Jason Johnson.

That's really saying a lot.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

That's really saying a lot.

Considering hes only our 5th starter I'd say it says alot about your roation no?

[a700hitter]

Considering hes only our 5th starter I'd say it says alot about your roation no?

Johnson is the Red Sox 5th starter... duh?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Johnson is the Red Sox 5th starter... duh?

and my point remains....having Jason Johnson as your 5th starter says alot about your roation no?

[a700hitter]

and my point remains....having Jason Johnson as your 5th starter says alot about your roation no?

Yeah, your #5 is better than our # 5. That's your big point? He's the worst starting pitcher in the history of the game. I refer to him as "The Ultimate Loser."

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Yeah, your #5 is better than our # 5. That's your big point? He's the worst starting pitcher in the history of the game. I refer to him as "The Ultimate Loser."

Nope, the fact that he still has a ML job reflects the state of Red Sox pitching.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

As it was for a 26 year old Randy johnson, when he wasn't as good as a 43 year old Nolan Ryan? Yeah, that's right. Look it up...1990.

 

Stupid argument.

 

RJ at 26: 3.65, 3 years in the bigs

Beckett at 26: 5.02, 5 years in the bigs

 

Beckett in his prime can't compare to an aging HOFer like Randy, and can't even touch Randy in his prime. It's likely he never will.

[a700hitter]

Stupid argument.

 

RJ at 26: 3.65, 3 years in the bigs

Beckett at 26: 5.02, 5 years in the bigs

 

Beckett in his prime can't compare to an aging HOFer like Randy, and can't even touch Randy in his prime. It's likely he never will.

What argument? I never claimed that he would be as good or better than Randy in his prime. You made the following statement:

No, it's a negative thing that RJ is better at 42.

I responded pointing out that a 26 year old Randy Johnson was not as good as a 43 year old Nolan Ryan in 1990. Where did I make a comparison to Randy in his prime?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Its about time Kennedy signed:

 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/08/14/yankees.kennedy/index.html

[a700hitter]

Stupid argument.

 

RJ at 26: 3.65, 3 years in the bigs

Beckett at 26: 5.02, 5 years in the bigs

In 1990, at age 25, RJ had an ERA of 4.82 compared to a league ERA of 3.95. In 2005, a 25 year old Beckett had a 3.38 ERA compared to a league ERA of 4.02. Stupid argument?

[Pinstripe_Pride]

Awesome game, awesome crowd. Loved the energy when Arod came up and hit that sac fly, and I loved even more the MVP chants for Jeter.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

What argument? I never claimed that he would be as good or better than Randy in his prime. You made the following statement:

I responded pointing out that a 26 year old Randy Johnson was not as good as a 43 year old Nolan Ryan in 1990. Where did I make a comparison to Randy in his prime?

 

Because it's apples and oranges. Ryan went on to pitch for another 3-4 years. He wasn't quite at the end of the road like Randy is now, which is why his ERA was 3.44. A more accurate comparison would be Ryan in his last or second to last year, like Randy is in now, where he had a 4.88 ERA.

 

Me: Beckett isn't even as good as a 42 year old whose is hitting the wall and whose ERA is 1.5 to 2 runs worse than his career avg.

 

You: Randy at the same age wasn't as good as a 43 year old who still was pitching at or below the league avg in ERA and had another 3 years in him.

[riverside sluggers]

BTW, I dont see your Randy Johnson ERA update. Well I'll do it for you: 4.92 UNDER 5.

 

I think I'm gonna start a Josh Beckett watch: 5.02

 

A lot more was counted on RJ than it was for Beckett this season

 

RJ- $16 million, ace of the staff

Beckett- $3.5 million, #2/3 pitcher

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

A lot more was counted on RJ than it was for Beckett this season

 

RJ- $16 million, ace of the staff

Beckett- $3.5 million, #2/3 pitcher

 

Very true, but at this point they are both #2/#3 pitchers for their respective teams, and right now RJ has the slightest edge.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Today's game:

 

Baltimore Orioles at New York Yankees, 7:05 PM EDT

TV: YES

Radio: WCBS-AM 880

 

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/4715_small.jpg vs. http://i.a.cnn.net/si/images/baseball/mlb/players/6910_small.jpg

 

Mike Mussina (13-5, 3.50) vs. Eric Bedard (12-8, 3.91)

 

Game Preview:

 

Yankees send Mussina to mound

Baltimore (51-67) at New York (69-46), 7:05 p.m., ET

By Ryan Mink / MLB.com

 

The Yankees already have faced some of the worst in their grueling 21 games in 20 days stretch.

They opened with the defending champion White Sox, then welcomed in the only team to have a winning record against them in the past decade, the Angels.

 

And while the Yankees are still in first place, the run wasn't pleasant as they went 3-4 and saw their three-game lead in the American League East skimmed to two games.

 

Now the Yankees will get perhaps their biggest reprieve as they take on the fourth-place Orioles, whom they are 6-3 against this season, for a three-game series. After that, they head to Boston for a five-game series.

 

"We need to get on it everyday," Torre said. "You can't say this one's more important than any other day. Obviously when you've lost three out of four you want to get on it. The best feeling a manager can have, and I know the players have it, is winning [yesterday]."

 

With a win Monday night, the Yankees split their series against the Angels. They had lost three of their last four games and four of their last six. So the Orioles likely will provide the Yankees' best chance at racking up some wins.

 

"We don't have the record we have right now by going in and taking people for granted, and we're certainly not going to do that [Tuesday]," Torre said.

 

Mike Mussina will take the hill for the Yankees in the series opener. The staff's ace and most steady force during the first half of the season has evened out since. Mussina has only once allowed fewer than three earned runs in his past seven starts and has a 4.40 ERA during that time.

 

But Torre said he's not at all concerned with Mussina's recent outings.

 

"When you have a great pitcher like Moose, even when the outings aren't really good, 90 percent of those days he's going to keep you in the game," Torre said. "He's going to minimize the damage. He's going to keep you in the game. That's the advantage of having somebody with that experience."

 

Pitching matchup

BAL: LHP Erik Bedard (12-8, 3.91 ERA)

Bedard allowed four runs in seven innings in his last outing against Toronto. He is 0-2 in his last three starts after a seven-game winning streak. He is 1-3 with a 6.45 ERA in six career games against the Yankees.

 

NYY: RHP Mike Mussina (13-5, 3.50 ERA)

Mussina got his first loss after winning four of five, losing to Baltimore on Aug. 5. He allowed three earned runs in five innings. Mussina is 9-5 with a 4.19 ERA in his career against his former team.

 

Player to watch

Alex Rodriguez is 5-for-11 with one homer and two RBIs against Bedard in his career. Rodriguez was 1-for-3 with the game-winning sacrifice fly RBI Monday night.