Why not have Youkilis hit 2nd?

[DirtDog]

Get on base RIGHT in front of Ortiz and Ramirez. Have Coco hit first. As much as a love Loretta and he's done a great job up @ number 2, I think we can maximize the most produciton with coco and youk 1-2. What do you guys think?

[jsinger121]

I think the way it is now is just fine...the offense has picked up since youkilis was moved back to leadoff.....why mess with it

[Matt]

Loretta is most productive in the #2 spot of the order. He's smart, he doesn't strikeout, and he can get on base. Coco doesn't get on base enough to be the leadoff guy right now. Like jsinger said, things are going fine right now, why mess with it?

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

loretta was brought in to play a solid second base and be the prototypical 2 hitter

[DirtDog]

why mess with it?

 

We've already messed with it twice.

[Matt]

Yeah, but the Sox weren't on a winning streak at the time.

[Papelbon58]

Loretta is made to be a 2 hitter. The offense is picking up, Coco is returning to form. If anything I still think Youk and Coco need to be 9 and 1

[TheKilo]

How about Trot at #2? He's not exactly a power hitter anymore and his close to .330 average and over .400 OBP would look real nice in the 2 hole...

[Matt]

I'd much rather have Trot bat 5th behind Manny. I really don't see what's wrong with Loretta in the 2 hole.

[TheKilo]

I'd much rather have Trot bat 5th behind Manny. I really don't see what's wrong with Loretta in the 2 hole.

 

 

I think the lineup should be something like this...

 

 

Youkilis

Nixon

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Varitek

Loretta

Crisp

Gonzalez/Cora

[Matt]

Even against lefties?

[yankeessuck013]

Get on base RIGHT in front of Ortiz and Ramirez. Have Coco hit first. As much as a love Loretta and he's done a great job up @ number 2, I think we can maximize the most produciton with coco and youk 1-2. What do you guys think?

 

 

because as much as he walks, he strikes out a lot, whereas loretta rarely strikes out and is perfect for the hit and run.

[Matt]

because as much as he walks, he strikes out a lot, whereas loretta rarely strikes out and is perfect for the hit and run.

 

Actually, Nixon leads the league in BB/K (1.76). He doesn't strike out much either (not this season anyway). I still believe that Loretta is a better fit in the 2-hole though.

[yankeessuck013]

i was talkin about youk vs loretta in the #2 hole

[Varitek33]

How about Trot at #2? He's not exactly a power hitter anymore and his close to .330 average and over .400 OBP would look real nice in the 2 hole...

 

we tried that for a while last season.

[DirtDog]

I guess most people are stuck in their ways... I've always thought you should put your best hitters up front, rahter then sticking to what type of player a guy is... i think the produciton of youkilis moving to leadoff speaks for itself... wouldn't mind seeing Lowell or something @ #2 either

[a700hitter]

If it ain't broke...

[MANNYHOF24]

I think Eventually what will happen is next year or the year after, when Lorreta is gone Youk will remain leadoff and Crisp will hit second, like he did in Cleveland, he has had his most sucsess hitting 2nd

[DirtDog]

I think Eventually what will happen is next year or the year after, when Lorreta is gone Youk will remain leadoff and Crisp will hit second, like he did in Cleveland, he has had his most sucsess hitting 2nd

 

idk, we have this huge boston legacy of our 2nd baseman hitting 2nd in the order...

 

frye

offerman

sanchez [only guy not to]

walker

bellhorn

loretta

[seabeachfred]

Get on base RIGHT in front of Ortiz and Ramirez. Have Coco hit first. As much as a love Loretta and he's done a great job up @ number 2, I think we can maximize the most produciton with coco and youk 1-2. What do you guys think?

 

I think you've come up with an idea that might have merit but not right now. If it ain't broke don't fix it. We are doing fine with the lineup the way we have it now. Besides, Loretta is an excellent no. 2 hitter for us; he is hitting over 300 and collects a lot of hits. I wish he would walk more but they bear down on him because they don't want him or Youk on base if they can help it because they know what two guys follow them in the lineup. Besides, Coco wasn't nearly as disciplined at Youk has been at leadoff.:thumbsup: :dunno:

[SCM33]

idk, we have this huge boston legacy of our 2nd baseman hitting 2nd in the order...

 

frye

offerman

sanchez [only guy not to]

walker

bellhorn

loretta

 

Offerman was a leadoff hitter before he started to suck (or age). He was then dropped to 8th and 9th in the lineup before finally taking some pine. Frye also wasnt a prototypical number 2 hitter, he led off sometimes, hit second, or at the bottom of the lineup. I liked Frye a lot, he was a good all around ballplayer who could never stay healthy.

 

The funny thing about that list, is that while many of them have hit second, a lot of them arent prototypical #2 hitters. I would say only Walker and Loretta are the only prototypical #2 hitters. Bellhorn was a freak of nature for a year and had some success doing alot of things a #2 hitter generally tries not to do (like K, or take mulitple good pitches rather than trying to move the runner over).

[ahhchon]

Get on base RIGHT in front of Ortiz and Ramirez. Have Coco hit first. As much as a love Loretta and he's done a great job up @ number 2, I think we can maximize the most produciton with coco and youk 1-2. What do you guys think?

 

another stupid thing coming out of dirt dog.

 

let me teach you something about baseball. firstly, on base percentage is the percent you reach base whether it be from a hit, a walk etc. youk rocks with a .426 OB%, which is .003 behind manny and .051 more than ortiz. loretta on the other hand has a very respectable .352 OB% whereas crisp has a terrible .312.

 

you want the guys who get on base more often to bet in front of your power hitters, such as ortiz and manny. the reason is quite simple actually. the greater the chance there is a player on base the greater the chance you'll score runs when the guy behind him gets a hit. it's that simple. i know it's hard for a dirt dog to understand this. i mean, c'mon, crisp is a SB threat, he's fast, he's young, he should bat first.

 

youk, loretta, ortiz, then manny is without question the best 1-4 setup the sox could have with the possible exception of lowell batting in place of loretta.

 

until crisp raises that pathetic ob% of his he won't be moved out of 8th. i'm sure it will be raised, but he's there is no chance it'll be higher than loretta let alone youk.

 

john

[ahhchon]

we tried that for a while last season.

 

the reason that we don't do that is not because it didn't work last season, it's because we don't want a L L in the lineup.

 

right now it's

R

R

L

R

 

for our first 4

 

john

[DirtDog]

another stupid thing coming out of dirt dog.

 

let me teach you something about baseball. firstly, on base percentage is the percent you reach base whether it be from a hit, a walk etc. youk rocks with a .426 OB%, which is .003 behind manny and .051 more than ortiz. loretta on the other hand has a very respectable .352 OB% whereas crisp has a terrible .312.

 

you want the guys who get on base more often to bet in front of your power hitters, such as ortiz and manny. the reason is quite simple actually. the greater the chance there is a player on base the greater the chance you'll score runs when the guy behind him gets a hit. it's that simple. i know it's hard for a dirt dog to understand this. i mean, c'mon, crisp is a SB threat, he's fast, he's young, he should bat first.

 

youk, loretta, ortiz, then manny is without question the best 1-4 setup the sox could have with the possible exception of lowell batting in place of loretta.

 

until crisp raises that pathetic ob% of his he won't be moved out of 8th. i'm sure it will be raised, but he's there is no chance it'll be higher than loretta let alone youk.

 

john

 

You just contradicted yourself with your other point that coco crisp's numbers were too low and you have to give them time. BEfore you call someone out liek this, make sure it doesn't contradict your previous point in your callout of me. Seriously. Look what you say before you type this kind of crap again. I have no problem with Youk and loretta, i just think coco is your leadoff man, and it could be used for a try.

 

for the love of god you seem like you are trying to roast someone for a simple suggestion. calm down and stop spreading the hate.

 

you also need to read my threads a bit better, other than just the title.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I think we should leave Loretta in the 2 hole. Tito should also move Coco down to the 9 hole, making him the second leadoff man. If Coco gets on base, he has a much better chance of scoring with Youk up instead of Gonzalez.

[CrespoBlows]

You just contradicted yourself with your other point that coco crisp's numbers were too low and you have to give them time. BEfore you call someone out liek this, make sure it doesn't contradict your previous point in your callout of me. Seriously. Look what you say before you type this kind of crap again. I have no problem with Youk and loretta, i just think coco is your leadoff man, and it could be used for a try.

 

for the love of god you seem like you are trying to roast someone for a simple suggestion. calm down and stop spreading the hate.

 

you also need to read my threads a bit better, other than just the title.

 

What the f*** are you talking about? Man, why do people think what they say makes any sense? Ahhchon, is a sabermetrics guy (correct?) and therefore he thinks that Crisp shouldn't bat at the top of the order. This was his quote:

 

i'm sure it will be raised, but he's there is no chance it'll be higher than loretta let alone youk.

 

Where does he suggest that Crisp should bat leadoff?

[ahhchon]

What the f*** are you talking about? Man, why do people think what they say makes any sense? Ahhchon, is a sabermetrics guy (correct?) and therefore he thinks that Crisp shouldn't bat at the top of the order. This was his quote:

 

 

 

Where does he suggest that Crisp should bat leadoff?

 

thanks for defending me, but there is no need really. anyone who has read his post then mine understand that he's a complete idiot. i mean seriously now. he named himself after a bdd lol.

 

i could play devils advocate and argue why crisp should bat at the top of the order (IF IF IF he could raise that garbage OB% of his to something like .350) but i won't. being able to contradict yourself with evidence only supports your arguement in the first place ya monkey.

 

john