Matt Clement thread...

[Beckett95]

trade clement and snow to SF for jamie wright

 

wrights a groundball pitcher who is having a pretty good season so far

[jsinger121]

The Yanks don't the Ammo to get Willis themselves or even Schmidt if they are not going to part with Philip Hughes as a start.

[a700hitter]

The Yanks don't the Ammo to get Willis themselves or even Schmidt if they are not going to part with Philip Hughes as a start.

Never say never when it comes to the Yankees.

[jsinger121]

They won't be able to use a bunch of cash in order to use in a trade. They are a significant longshot to get Willis and I would be pretty shocked if they did.

[a700hitter]

They won't be able to use a bunch of cash in order to use in a trade. They are a significant longshot to get Willis and I would be pretty shocked if they did.

They are showcasing Melky. If he continues to produce, he could be packaged.

[jsinger121]

Melky is a nice player but he is not a top prospect at all and they can showcase him all they want. If they don't part with both Hughes and Duncan in the deal they have no chance.

[TheRivernator]

here's the deal guys. I saw a quote on here about how your 5th starter wont be under pressure to carry the team, blah, blah, blah. Guys, barring a horrendous demise by the tiggers, the wild card is coming out of the top heavy central this yr. The yankees will be there for the season, no matter what they do or who is hurt, the yankees will be there in the end. Hence every game, regardless of where they are in the rotation is going to be big. You bring up a rookie in the middle of the playoff run and ask him to win every 5 days or else you may not make the playoffs, is big. The yankees brought up wang last yr in May with the caveat that he'd likely be only up for a few games and then sent back down. There were no expectations, no pressure and he succeeded. If you demote Clement and bring up Lester to take his place, then you are putting an immense amount of pressure on the kid. That is not the environment to foster his development and if he fails and becomes a reason you miss the playoffs, then he may never recover....

[CrespoBlows]

Lester's last five starts:

 

26 IP 1.38 ERA 8 BB's 22 K's.

[Beckett95]

Lester's last five starts:

 

26 IP 1.38 ERA 8 BB's 22 K's.

 

ive said all along he should be given a shot with the Sox. Bring him up for atleast one start, and if he doesnt do good, just send him back down. I think hes more than ready.

[TheRivernator]

Lester's last five starts:

 

26 IP 1.38 ERA 8 BB's 22 K's.

 

the jump from AAA to MLB is amazingly hard....

[Beckett95]

the jump from AAA to MLB is amazingly hard....

 

it may be, but in order to be a MLB pitcher, you have to make that jump some time

[jsinger121]

2-1 4.24ERA 34inn 40hits 16er 5.56 k/9inn 1.35

 

those stats look familar Riv

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If you demote Clement and bring up Lester to take his place, then you are putting an immense amount of pressure on the kid. That is not the environment to foster his development and if he fails and becomes a reason you miss the playoffs, then he may never recover....

 

Matt Clement's ERA is at 6.31. The Red Sox have a fantastic defense. The team is full of leaders who can help out a young kid. Its May baseball and we are walking into the middle of the season. Clement hurt his leg and has a chance to miss a start...wouldn't it be a good time to give Lester a chance? Or should we just be happy with how Clement is doing and hope he can be a part of our playoff run. I would suggest looking for the best options so that when August-September hits...we have a chance to win a lot of games.

 

You also mentioned Wang had no pressure......a player in New York who has no pressure....what?

[ksushi]

If Wells can carry any load at all as a starting pitcher there is no need to bring up lester.

[RoyNHSox]

You bring up a rookie in the middle of the playoff run and ask him to win every 5 days or else you may not make the playoffs, is big. The yankees brought up wang last yr in May with the caveat that he'd likely be only up for a few games and then sent back down. There were no expectations, no pressure and he succeeded. If you demote Clement and bring up Lester to take his place, then you are putting an immense amount of pressure on the kid. That is not the environment to foster his development and if he fails and becomes a reason you miss the playoffs, then he may never recover....

 

This seems the more likely scenario. Lester would be brought up as spot starter with the full understanding that he's not taking Clement's place permanently. His stay would be extremely limited at first.

 

I'd like to see what Wells has left in his tank before I run Clement out of town. At the same time I hope Theo is looking for a more permanent solution.

[Mr Crunchy]

thats the deal .700

prospects are nice on paper but a guy like schmidt who still throws a violent 95,could make the difference in the american league,especially if you use him with a schill and beckett,then you have 3 hosses who all have pitched under pressure with success and with baseballs best defense behind them??

look out

[jsinger121]

thats the deal .700

prospects are nice on paper but a guy like schmidt who still throws a violent 95,could make the difference in the american league,especially if you use him with a schill and beckett,then you have 3 hosses who all have pitched under pressure with success and with baseballs best defense behind them??

look out

 

The Red Sox will not part with 2-3 very good prospects for a 33 yr old Jason Schmidt who looks to have lost a bit in the recent years.

[Mr Crunchy]

you have this knowledge based on....what??

[jsinger121]

Its not Theo's MO to trade 2-3 top prospects for a 33 yr old pitcher who is likely not going to get better. When he got Schilling he gave the Diamondbacks 4 stiffs in one of the greatest heists of alltime. Theo will never trade Lester, Hansen, or any of our high prospects for Schmidt.

[Mr Crunchy]

theos modus operandi??

the leadoff hitter in florida is hanley ramirez who we got beckett and lowell for

hanley was untouchable last summer,if we made the deal then we wouldve had a pop to win it all....theo didnt

we got swept by chicago and lost the division to ny.

 

the 3 hitter in pitt is freddy sanchez who we dumped for....

jeff suppan,who will never be confused for jason schmidt or carlo zambrano

freddy sanchez was deemed the next nomar

 

we use alex gonzales as our shortstop because theo dumped the future shortstops for pitching

 

we get schmidt as our#3 we win the world series if the other 2studs stay healthy

it may only take a pena and 1 of these ""Phenoms"" who havent won a game outside bumblef*** maine yet to get schmidt or a carlo zambrano type

a power pitcher who can get it done in october

 

prospects are nice but dont make believe that theo doesnt use them like anything else to make this team better for october,after last falls miserable playoff effort dont be surprised at anyone getting traded come 7-31,manny included....

 

as far as duquette goes

just think of the core of the 04 team

manny damon tek lowe petey (meintxx and cabrerra for nomar who he drafted)

he stacked a decent deck for theo,who filled in the blanks with schill and foulke

he also got youkillis who is quite frankly our best position player right now.

 

the duke was an arrogant ******* but he wasnt nearly as bad as people make him seem to be

he didnt resign mo vaughn and if he did resign clemens to a 40M deal in 97 after clem went 39-40 over 5 years he may have been fired and then we dont get pedro martinez

[jsinger121]

Theo will only trade top prospects for players under the age of 30. Hence Coco(26) and Josh Beckett (26). Freddy Sanchez is playing way above his head right now. In no way would Theo part with any prospects as highly regarded in order to get an older pitcher like Schmidt. If you trade prospects you better be getting guys under 30 like Theo did. Schmidt is 33 and has lost zip on his fastball in the past few years. No way would I part with any top prospects for any pitcher in his 30's that is a free agent to be by the way. It would be just foolish for what a 3 month rental.

[Mr Crunchy]

how old is mike lowell??

how old were cabrerra and meintxxxx??

suppan was over 30

renteria was under 30 but those were in dominican years

who knows how old he was

 

schmidt is merely an example and i dont even know if hes on the table

hes 3-2 with a 3.07 era and theyre hitting .200 against him

hes got 2 complete games,he eats up innings like a madman and hes a big time K guy

ive seen him pitch this year,hes lost nothing on his fastball,hes had some control issues but we're living with wakefield and clement as our 3s....

the upgrade for a guy with these #s would be immense

 

and if we dont......and ny gets a guy like this with another arm??

we're f***ed.

there are others

i prefer power guys from the nl,the soft servers get their tits lit up when they make the move over the big boy league

 

i certainly see your point of view but ive seen prospects come and go for many years

i'll take proven pitchers over prospects all day long,we're in a pennant race my friend.

 

we aint in kc,we're not competing with oakland and cincinatti either

 

we go head to head with that friggin juggernaut in ny and as much as its prudent and even common sense to groom the young guys

we just dont have that luxury if we want to compete every year

for every jonathan papplebon i can give you 3 juan penas a couple of john curtices and raise you a jeff spinelli

 

we're in boston

we got schill and beckett,the best D in baseball and a lites out pen

manny and papi and coco and youk.....we'll have plenty of 0 to get there in my opine

 

bring me a #1 starter and let me put him at #3

suddenly we now are the favorites to win it all and if we lose him in october while the trophy sits on yawkee way i can live with it.

 

33 isnt that old by the way

[jsinger121]

NY doesn't have the AMMO to get a big name starter. Unless they plan on trading Philip Hughes which they will likely not they are going to have to get the Shawn Chacon types again.

[Mr Crunchy]

i'd love to think youre right but i dont know...

$$$$$ talks in this league

theyve got 200M in current payroll and its spent to make sure theyre playing in october as they have for 10straight....

chacon was 1-7 when they got him and he's back in that groove now,aaron small was a 1 hit wonder,hes pitching like hes supposed to now.

(i dont remember who they gave up for chacon)

cabrerra phillips and cash can get them anyone available in july.

clemens will simply be a matter of money.

[jsinger121]

Clemens is the only pitcher that will cost them money.....They can't use cash to get either Schmidt or Willis as why would teams want to do that. In order to get a quality pitcher through a trade it will cost NY to part with some very good prospects.

[rician blast]

NY doesn't have the AMMO to get a big name starter. Unless they plan on trading Philip Hughes which they will likely not they are going to have to get the Shawn Chacon types again.

 

I always find myself THINKING they don't have the ammo....and some how, some way, the Yankees come up with the ammo to make key deals that improve their club.

 

never underestimate the Yankees and their ability to get these done.

[TheKilo]

Clemens is the only pitcher that will cost them money.....They can't use cash to get either Schmidt or Willis as why would teams want to do that. In order to get a quality pitcher through a trade it will cost NY to part with some very good prospects.

 

 

You'd be surprised. Like someone said, money talks. I wouldn't be shocked if the Yankees picked up someone just by throwing their wallets around.

[Mr Crunchy]

over the last 30 years ive seen so many studs show up in yankee unis in july i cant count them

from cliff johnson to david cone

to jeff weaver to denny neagle they go out and get the best player available at the break

how??

who the f*** knows,many of these have come via the waiver wire,many have come for cash and many have been stolen

[Sox Fan on Cape]

over the last 30 years ive seen so many studs show up in yankee unis in july i cant count them

from cliff johnson to david cone

to jeff weaver to denny neagle they go out and get the best player available at the break

how??

who the f*** knows,many of these have come via the waiver wire,many have come for cash and many have been stolen

 

A few of points. How many champioships have they won recently ? How well is their minor league prospects stocked ? How old and sound is their roster ? What is their current payroll ? Also they can have Roger at any inflated price ?

[Mr Crunchy]

theyre 0 for this century in championships

they tell us their minor leagues have been ravaged for 5 years now

then they come up with wang cano and cabrerra just last year??

their roster resembles the 1998 all star team,they got bigger issues this year than theyve had in the last 10 which in essense makes them more desperate for help than ever

payroll is not a concern of theirs in 2006 nor has it been since CBS owned them nor was it 85years ago when they bought babe ruth from us.

deep pockets my friend

 

im not a clemens guy either but to think that he wont be an improvement over biggie smalls boogaloo chacon and the other stiffs is naive i fear