Hansen to Start Later?

[ksushi]

Well, his AAA ERA doesn't exactly matter right now as he's had what two outings?

[hoefdj18]

I hope you know that if Zito is in your rotation, you can kiss Hansen, Delcarmen, Papelbon, or Lester (at the least, 2 of them) good-bye. You're dealing with Billy Beane here.

 

 

isn't zito a free agent after this season?! so we wouldn't have to trade any?

[jsinger121]

isn't zito a free agent after this season?! so we wouldn't have to trade any?

 

He is a free agent but if were to acquire him during the season thats what you are looking to lose.

[schillingouttheks]

isn't zito a free agent after this season?! so we wouldn't have to trade any?

Well, yes, but I thought we were talking about acquiring arms at the trade deadline. Which, in this case, would end up with us losing those arms that I stated. But if we're talking about via free agency, then yeah, sure. Just don't bank on the Sox getting him with teams like the Yankees out there, mixed in with a developing John Lester, who's fastball is already dominant to Zito's.

[Mr Crunchy]

anyone remember the last time billy beane won anything??

 

ya

me neither

 

he had three horses in zito hudson and mulder as well as foulke closing with giambi damon tejada terrence long and others,all in the same lineup and they won nothing

they won s***

choking away a chance to sweep boston in 03 and putting ny away after clemens couldnt finish the 5th inning in 01..

 

a figment of the media is what billy beane is

 

a man who got so much attention for being underated,he became overated in the process

[schillingouttheks]

anyone remember the last time billy beane won anything??

 

ya

me neither

 

he had three horses in zito hudson and mulder as well as foulke closing with giambi damon tejada terrence long and others,all in the same lineup and they won nothing

they won s***

choking away a chance to sweep boston in 03 and putting ny away after clemens couldnt finish the 5th inning in 01..

 

a figment of the media is what billy beane is

 

a man who got so much attention for being underated,he became overated in the process

What does that have to do with him with his asking price for trading away Zito...?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This is somewhat off topic but.....does anyone think a prospects age is of extreme importance to Theo Epstein??

 

Jonathan Papelbon (24 when brought up)

Manny Delcarmen (24 this season)

Jermaine Van Buren (25)

Adam Stern (25 last season when brought up)

Lenny DiNardo (25 last season when brought up)

Kevin Youkilis (25 when brought up)

 

...the only exceptions I can think of off the top of my head include Craig Hansen last season (very limited time), Abe Alvarez (struggled a lot), Cla Meredith (we all know how that went), and Hanley Ramirz (not sure he got any at-bats).

 

This could be nothing....however playing in Boston takes a real mature athlete and I think there is a chance the Red Sox really look to develop these guys up to the ages of 24-25 before they really let them loose. If that is the case I wonder if that limits the chance they are willing to take on Lester and Hansen playing this season.

[jsinger121]

This is somewhat off topic but.....does anyone think a prospects age is of extreme importance to Theo Epstein??

 

Jonathan Papelbon (24 when brought up)

Manny Delcarmen (24 this season)

Jermaine Van Buren (25)

Adam Stern (25 last season when brought up)

Lenny DiNardo (25 last season when brought up)

Kevin Youkilis (25 when brought up)

 

...the only exceptions I can think of off the top of my head include Craig Hansen last season (very limited time), Abe Alvarez (struggled a lot), Cla Meredith (we all know how that went), and Hanley Ramirz (not sure he got any at-bats).

 

This could be nothing....however playing in Boston takes a real mature athlete and I think there is a chance the Red Sox really look to develop these guys up to the ages of 24-25 before they really let them loose. If that is the case I wonder if that limits the chance they are willing to take on Lester and Hansen playing this season.

 

Definitely Age is important to Theo because thats what GM's look at. Prospects the older they get can lose their status as a good prospect if they are not brought up.

[26 to 6]

Dont mean to jump off topic. But with the possibility of Hansen starting, does this open up the possibility for Papelbon to stay in the closer's role, like I speculated in the Papelbon's Future thread? I heard that Theo said that as long as he pitches the way he's pitched Papelbon is the closer. With Hansen possibly starting and the fact that Paps has been so good in the pen, I think they should just leave him there. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

[ORS]

Dont mean to jump off topic. But with the possibility of Hansen starting, does this open up the possibility for Papelbon to stay in the closer's role, like I speculated in the Papelbon's Future thread? I heard that Theo said that as long as he pitches the way he's pitched Papelbon is the closer. With Hansen possibly starting and the fact that Paps has been so good in the pen, I think they should just leave him there. If it aint broke, dont fix it.

The If it ain't broke, don't fix it metality does have some merit, but it falls short of the true objective of management, maximizing value. Papelbon has been very good in the closers role, but he's performed well in his limited starting opportunities as well. I tend to think that a good SP is more valuable than a very good RP. You will get more innings from a SP, and the best way to maximize a good pitcher's value is to have him pitch as many innings as possible.

[schillingouttheks]

Wasn't Mo supposed to be a starter, but they left him as their closer? If this is true, then well....hey, speculate about Papelbon for yourself.

[jsinger121]

Mo was a failed starter

[TheRivernator]

Mo was a failed starter

 

He had an era over 5 or something. He didnt throw the nasty cutter as much. Now he can throw it every time....

[schillingouttheks]

Oh, alright. Nevermind then.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

He had an era over 5 or something. He didnt throw the nasty cutter as much. Now he can throw it every time....

 

Yeah he's made a living off one pitch but also his ability to never get injured and post closer innings year after year. Thats the one thing I find interesting about Papelbon...he's a beast and has the attitude where we wants to shut down the game. I'm leaning toward leaving him in the bullpen permanently but one problem....

 

the few times he has been a starter he has not failed

[ksushi]

Yeah he's made a living off one pitch but also his ability to never get injured and post closer innings year after year. Thats the one thing I find interesting about Papelbon...he's a beast and has the attitude where we wants to shut down the game. I'm leaning toward leaving him in the bullpen permanently but one problem....

 

the few times he has been a starter he has not failed

 

To me, the only scenario which I would leave papelbon in the bullpen, is if Hansen dominates as a starter the way he has as a closer. Its yet to be seen if he can. I mean we all look at Hansen starting as a for-the-time-being kind of thing right now. A learning experience. What if he dominates? It happened with Papelbon.

 

I think though that Hansen will be a good starter, I don't know how good, so to me the jury is out. If I had to bet, I would bet that Lester and Papelbon will be in our rotation next season and that Hansen will be a closer.

[26 to 6]

Oh, alright. Nevermind then.

yeah. Actually, he was so bad we almost traded him to Seattle. Thank god we didnt.

[guapo34]

yeah. Actually, he was so bad we almost traded him to Seattle. Thank god we didnt.

 

Maybe you could've gotten Derek Lowe and Jason Varitek for him?

Obviously kidding, I know no Yankee fan would like that trade looking back.

[jsinger121]

Hansen will be starting for the Pawsox tomorrow in the second game of the doubleheader.

[MANNYHOF24]

Hansen will be starting for the Pawsox tomorrow in the second game of the doubleheader.

 

So I guess this means that Papelbon will be the closer for the forseeable future, and instead of the Papelbon/Lester/Beckett Trio, it Will be Hansen/Lester/Beckett Trio, I think it will be a mistake to Keep paps in the pen.

[jsinger121]

So I guess this means that Papelbon will be the closer for the forseeable future, and instead of the Papelbon/Lester/Beckett Trio, it Will be Hansen/Lester/Beckett Trio, I think it will be a mistake to Keep paps in the pen.

 

It doesn't mean anything for future plans. This could be just a one time start for Hansen.

[Mr Crunchy]

how can leaving papplebon in the pen be a mistake??

see his #s as a closer??

anyone in baseball have anything better than him??

 

why screw with the best closer in the game today??

 

why f*** with this kids amazing success?

it makes no sense,none

[Rdsxmbnt]

it would be a mistake to keep Paps as the CL for the future also. Even if Hansen were to be an excellent SP, then id rather have like a future of Beckett/Papelbon/Lester/Hansen/Clement, that would be such a sick rotation and maybe we sign a FA CL or have Delcarmen or maybe Marintez be the future CL.

[MANNYHOF24]

how can leaving papplebon in the pen be a mistake??

see his #s as a closer??

anyone in baseball have anything better than him??

 

why screw with the best closer in the game today??

 

why f*** with this kids amazing success?

it makes no sense,none

 

Because I would rather see him pitch for 230 innings, than 80 innings. I would rather see 250 K's than 90 K's. Thats why

[Mr Crunchy]

we have the best in the business closing for us now

we lost how many games over the last 10 years because we used a closer by committee??

world series in 75-86 we lost because we couldnt close out games

we also lost in 03 because little didnt trust the bullpen

now we have the man for the job and y'all want to move him because???........

 

because in 08 we have a possible rotation of.....hansen lester delcarmen and willis...

who gives a f*** about 08

we have the tools to win it all this year and this is what we should be focusing on

[YAZMAN]

Because I would rather see him pitch for 230 innings, than 80 innings. I would rather see 250 K's than 90 K's. Thats why

 

The only stat that matters at the end of the season is W's, TEAM W's. Maybe he could win 15-20 games as a starter over a season...if the closer doesn't blow his lead. Or he could potentially save 50 games, making him much more valuable to this team as a closer. Hansen making minor league starts is not to develop him as a starter, it's a move designed to get him the maximum amount of innings to develop his pitches and possibly strengthen his arm. When he's ready for the show, he needs to fill whatever role the team decides maximizes it's chances to win the AL East.

[Mr Crunchy]

in my life i remember a couple of guys who you could count on religously to get big outs in the 9th

tommy gordon had a great run as a closer here only to blow a save against cleveland in the playoffs,a game that pete schourek ended his career on.

bob stanley was untouchable for a couple years back when closers came into the game in the 7th or 8th and pitched till the game ended

dlowe had a monster year as a closer then nearly sent me to the bottom of the mystic river 1 long weekend in the bronx...

lee smith would come in,walk the bases loaded then strike out the side

he broke the nl save record the year we traded him for tom brunansky

 

point im making is no one has stepped up as a young man like this kid has

i believe some members of this forum are under the impression we can put anyone in this role and we'll have the same amount of success...im of the mindset that if it isnt broke dont fix it and that certainly applies to our bullpen,which has been outstanding so far

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm not positive about these stats but thus far Craig Hansen has posted these numbers in AAA:

 

12 innings, 10 hits, 7 walks, 10 strikeouts, 2.25 ERA

 

...looking pretty damn good thus far

[SCM33]

I'm not positive about these stats but thus far Craig Hansen has posted these numbers in AAA:

 

12 innings, 10 hits, 7 walks, 10 strikeouts, 2.25 ERA

 

...looking pretty damn good thus far

 

 

The BB/K ratio isnt very good, neither is the BB/IP. Also, 10 hits in 12 IP isnt so hot. He needs time. He isnt ready.

[SCM33]

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t998.html?cid=533&lid=117&t=t_ibp&sid=milb

 

These are the numbers I found on Hansen. Your set is better than mine, according to mine, he has some ways to go.