Hansen to Start Later?

[schillingouttheks]

you cannot be sure of that, just like I cannot be sure that RJ will return to form. Remember, this is a new venture for Beckett. You guys said the same thing about Clement and we said the same thing about Pavano. Proven winners in the NL are crapshoots in the AL. I still think he'll bounce back, but right now, nothing is certain...

Curt Schilling anyone?

[jsinger121]

Curt Schilling anyone?

 

How about Pedro as well

[TheRivernator]

Curt Schilling anyone?

 

crapshoots, meaning there are no guarantees. It doesnt mean that you will fail every time....

[ahhchon]

Why? Explain to me the logic behind acquiring Zito? Giving up a guy who will be a quality left handed starter as soon as a year from now, for a half of a year of Barry Zito? Barry Zito hasn't been a good pitcher in awhile. I personally am not willing to give up a Hansen or a Lester for Zito. Not worth it.

 

I would put your money on the Sox being high bidders for Mark Mulders services next offseason.

 

 

barry zito HAS been a good pitcher, just not the overrated pitcher he used to be.

 

john

[ksushi]

He's not been lights out the way he used to be. He is a good pitcher, but hardline the front line pitcher you would give up a Lester or a Hansen for.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

When I look at Barry Zito I think of Matt Clement.....two very different pitchers but the same results. Sometimes they are very difficult to hit and other times they get crushed. Both have trouble locating pitches which is why they get in trouble. If Barry Zito can throw his curve for strikes he has a decent day.

 

I'm not excited about having another Matt Clement....I would like to find the next Johan Santana

[Mr Crunchy]

zito isnt all that good

he wasnt when they stiffed martinez out of the cy in 01 and hes gotten worse since

as someone alluded to earlier,he survives pitching in the west and in the spacious confines of oakland

i dont see the yanks or sox going after him

i do see the yanks making a run at a starter more so than boston despite the fact that wang muss and rj have held the fort and chacon escaped in arlington

 

the sox and yanks rolled thru texas rather easily,too easily in my opinion

meanwhile they start to distance themselves from the pretenders of the east.

[NomahsHammSammich]

When I think Zito, I harken back to the EPIC Manny blast from 2003. That was truly a thing of beauty. Probably my favorite Manny moment of All-Time.

[TheRivernator]

zito isnt all that good

he wasnt when they stiffed martinez out of the cy in 01 and hes gotten worse since

as someone alluded to earlier,he survives pitching in the west and in the spacious confines of oakland

i dont see the yanks or sox going after him

i do see the yanks making a run at a starter more so than boston despite the fact that wang muss and rj have held the fort and chacon escaped in arlington

 

the sox and yanks rolled thru texas rather easily,too easily in my opinion

meanwhile they start to distance themselves from the pretenders of the east.

 

You might be right seano, if Pavano comes back and is garbage, you better believe we'll be scouring the lines for a pitcher. If he comes back and is decent, I dont see that happening, though. As for the sox, who do you think is the long term answer to #5? If wells is hurt and hangs em up, do you stick with DiNardo or do you go for a starter on the wire?

[MC Hammer]

You might be right seano, if Pavano comes back and is garbage, you better believe we'll be scouring the lines for a pitcher. If he comes back and is decent, I dont see that happening, though. As for the sox, who do you think is the long term answer to #5? If wells is hurt and hangs em up, do you stick with DiNardo or do you go for a starter on the wire?

It's not about him coming back and being good or bad. It's when he gets hurt.

[TheRivernator]

It's not about him coming back and being good or bad. It's when he gets hurt.

 

the funny thing is, I am not sure which guy you are talking about, wells or Pavano, lol....

[Ray10]

I dunno he I don't think they will start him until they know that he can go a long number of innings. Because as of right now he isn't really ready to start any games. He hasn't gone the distance that he will need to. They will most likely have him throw some simulated games then decide from there.

[Mr Crunchy]

who do you think is the long term answer to #5? If wells is hurt and hangs em up, do you stick with DiNardo or do you go for a starter on the wire?

 

lenny d isnt the answer

in fact he sucks although in 2 of his 3 starts he has at least given us a chance to win

i fear he will have our bullpen on life support if he does get the ball every 5days

i wouldnt count on wells either

 

another reason why that arroyo deal goes up my ass sideways but thats neither here or there

 

i do think that wily pena will be offered up come 7-31 and i think the young arms will be up for auction as well..

the clemens bidding starts at 5m a month??

i hope y'all get him in nyc

 

the ducks are lining up as predicted

boston ny and toronto sliding a bit....baltimore and tampa are falling however that tampa teams pitching is much improved,mcclung and hendrixon are actually pretty decent,they remind me of the young tiger pitchers who are coming into their own this year and they got kazmir who will keep them in most games

when their injuries heal theyll be a pain in the ass...

 

great spring so far

detroit overachieving

oakland underachieving as they do till they go 40-10 in august and september

boston and ny playing as expected

[TheRivernator]

who do you think is the long term answer to #5? If wells is hurt and hangs em up, do you stick with DiNardo or do you go for a starter on the wire?

 

lenny d isnt the answer

in fact he sucks although in 2 of his 3 starts he has at least given us a chance to win

i fear he will have our bullpen on life support if he does get the ball every 5days

i wouldnt count on wells either

 

another reason why that arroyo deal goes up my ass sideways but thats neither here or there

 

i do think that wily pena will be offered up come 7-31 and i think the young arms will be up for auction as well..

the clemens bidding starts at 5m a month??

i hope y'all get him in nyc

 

the ducks are lining up as predicted

boston ny and toronto sliding a bit....baltimore and tampa are falling however that tampa teams pitching is much improved,mcclung and hendrixon are actually pretty decent,they remind me of the young tiger pitchers who are coming into their own this year and they got kazmir who will keep them in most games

when their injuries heal theyll be a pain in the ass...

 

great spring so far

detroit overachieving

oakland underachieving as they do till they go 40-10 in august and september

boston and ny playing as expected

 

I agree seano, hit nail on head again. People may hate wells all they want, but he is needed on this team. DiNardo does not have major league stuff nor demeanor. At this point, if you had arroyo he'd be your #3 behind beckett and schill, maybe a 4 behind wake. He's certainly better than Clement and DiNardo. Good spring so far, I am loving baseball and both teams got out of the gate relatively hot. It is surprising though that the yankees are running on solid pitching, and the sox of late are relying on solid hitting...

[CrespoBlows]

Buster Olney made a pretty good point in his chat today on ESPN.com

 

Brian: They'll look for a solution inside the organization, and if that doesn't work, then they'll comb through the Lohses and Meches and guys like that. The Red Sox are in a pretty good situation with the No. 5 spot because they're so strong at 1-2-3; no need to overspend to add a No. 5.

 

He's probably right, there's no reason why they should overbid for Zito.

[hoefdj18]

i would much rather have someone like a zito than dinardo. thought dinardo has done pretty much all that is asked of him, zito would possibly give the sox more edge instead of a game being a toss up with dinardo on the mound as much.

 

shill

wake

beckett

clement

zito

 

bullpen:

papelbon

tavarez

dinardo

delcarmen

foulke

timlin

hansen

 

i would have to say that would be pretty solid none-the-less.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I have to say "no" to Barry Zito. I certainly believe Jon Lester will be better than Zito or close to the same. Craig Hansen is another possibility, Jonathan Papelbon is a chance, a couple seasons down the road Clay Buccholz has a shot, Abe Alvarez is killing all the competition in AAA right now......

 

Someone will work out....don't overpay for Zito....he isn't worth it

[TheRivernator]

I have to say "no" to Barry Zito. I certainly believe Jon Lester will be better than Zito or close to the same. Craig Hansen is another possibility, Jonathan Papelbon is a chance, a couple seasons down the road Clay Buccholz has a shot, Abe Alvarez is killing all the competition in AAA right now......

 

Someone will work out....don't overpay for Zito....he isn't worth it

 

Lester will be better than Zito? Cmon man, you havent even seen him pitch one inning in the bigs, you cannot make that assumption....

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Lester will be better than Zito? Cmon man, you havent even seen him pitch one inning in the bigs, you cannot make that assumption....

 

I'm going by what I believe. A lefty who can hit 93-95mph with movement on his fastball is already a better fastball than Zito's. He doesn't have the curveball of Zito but I'm not sure thats a real bad thing (sometimes he sucks at locating it). I also have faith in the Red Sox scouting reports and most believe Jon Lester can be better than Jonathan Papelbon. If Papelbon was starting I would take him over Barry Zito....sooo....I'm sticking with Jon Lester in the long run.

[TheRivernator]

I'm going by what I believe. A lefty who can hit 93-95mph with movement on his fastball is already a better fastball than Zito's. He doesn't have the curveball of Zito but I'm not sure thats a real bad thing (sometimes he sucks at locating it). I also have faith in the Red Sox scouting reports and most believe Jon Lester can be better than Jonathan Papelbon. If Papelbon was starting I would take him over Barry Zito....sooo....I'm sticking with Jon Lester in the long run.

 

okay then, but if you want to see similar stuff in a lefty, take a look at Sean Henn. 95 mph heater, ++ slider, NO BALLS and useless in the bigs. Not to say Lester is the next sean henn, but just an example of how stuf and scouting reports are garbage sometimes. Zito is going to be 28 and has won 88 games in his career so far, and he would have won a ton more if he had any run support. Former CY winner and currently having a very good season sans game 1 where he spit the bit on opening day. If Lester is anything close to Zito, then you should be happy....

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Thats true with everyone...but if I went on the assumption all my prospects will turn out like Sean Henn I would trade everyone away. It doesn't happen like that though...some work out and some don't. I like the odds of having a truck load of prospects in the minors with a chance to contribute when a hole shows up on the big league team. Its better to run an organization that way then to attempt cutting deals with Billy Beane.

 

On a side note I refuse to compare the Baltimore Orioles farm system with the Boston Red Sox. Currently the Orioles are destroying Nick Markakis who is deffinitly out of his element. Sean Henn came up last season because they had no other options (forced to the majors). I like our prospects and scouting system more than the Orioles and I trust the Red Sox will be smart with Lester.

[CrespoBlows]

The Yankees have never really gave him a chance to stick. He probably could be a pretty good relief pitcher, but you have to take your lumps with young pitchers.

 

Henn was probably a product of being overrated. His starts in the bigs were terrible. He showed no slider, and fastball was topping at 90, sitting at around 88 mph. Henn, probably was nervous, but just because he had a few bad starts you get rid of him? I know that sounds like a contradiction, but Henn, despite his bad start, could still be something.

 

I'd hope you weren't the GM if this guy had this beginning to his career.

 

2-3 6.49 ERA 86.0 IP 102 H 54 BB 64 K's

 

This pitcher's name was Johan Santana.

[schillingouttheks]

i would much rather have someone like a zito than dinardo. thought dinardo has done pretty much all that is asked of him, zito would possibly give the sox more edge instead of a game being a toss up with dinardo on the mound as much.

 

shill

wake

beckett

clement

zito

 

bullpen:

papelbon

tavarez

dinardo

delcarmen

foulke

timlin

hansen

 

i would have to say that would be pretty solid none-the-less.

I hope you know that if Zito is in your rotation, you can kiss Hansen, Delcarmen, Papelbon, or Lester (at the least, 2 of them) good-bye. You're dealing with Billy Beane here.

[TheRivernator]

I hope you know that if Zito is in your rotation, you can kiss Hansen, Delcarmen, Papelbon, or Lester (at the least, 2 of them) good-bye. You're dealing with Billy Beane here.

 

Billy Beane also got Charles Thomas and Dan Meyer for Hudson, both guys busted early....

[SuperManny]

Billy Beane also got Charles Thomas and Dan Meyer for Hudson, both guys busted early....

 

The A's also got another pitcher in the deal and Hudson isn't looking so good this year.

 

In the Mulder trade Beane got:

Dan Haren- 3.73 ERA 14 Ws (2005)

Kiko Calero- 3.23 ERA 56.2 IP (2005)

Daric Barton (21 years old now) - (AAA 2006) .279/.397/.433/.830 - (AA 2005) .316/.410/.491/.901

 

Mark Mulder - 2005 - 3.63 ERA 16 W's

 

So lets just agree that he also makes some good deals as well considering the A's have been sucessful for years based solely on their developement of younger players (Giambi, Tejada, Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Harden, Street, Crosby, Chavez, ect ect) while signing no real big name FA's. I think Beane is a pretty good evaluator of talent myself.

[TheRivernator]

The A's also got another pitcher in the deal and Hudson isn't looking so good this year.

 

In the Mulder trade Beane got:

Dan Haren- 3.73 ERA 14 Ws (2005)

Kiko Calero- 3.23 ERA 56.2 IP (2005)

Daric Barton (21 years old now) - (AAA 2006) .279/.397/.433/.830 - (AA 2005) .316/.410/.491/.901

 

Mark Mulder - 2005 - 3.63 ERA 16 W's

 

So lets just agree that he also makes some good deals as well considering the A's have been sucessful for years based solely on their developement of younger players (Giambi, Tejada, Hudson, Zito, Mulder, Harden, Street, Crosby, Chavez, ect ect) while signing no real big name FA's. I think Beane is a pretty good evaluator of talent myself.

 

they got Juan Cruz and he is in Arizona....

[MC Hammer]

I wish Barry Zito would retire so we wouldn't have to talk about trading for him every few months.

[CrespoBlows]

Back to the original topic.

 

This seriously could happen. Craig Hansen is now in his fourth inning of relief as Pawtucket plays Rochester. He's thrown 62 pitches so far.

[ksushi]

Back to the original topic.

 

This seriously could happen. Craig Hansen is now in his fourth inning of relief as Pawtucket plays Rochester. He's thrown 62 pitches so far.

 

How is he pitching?

[TheRivernator]

ha, I took BP of Deschenes in Lowell, he would work out with us all the time. He started. Hansen relieved, 3.1IP 1H 4BB 0ER and his ERA is now 3.38.