Under/Over Seanez cut date

[jsinger121]

Seanez has a straight fastball. If hitters are laying off his breaking stuff and they usually do they will pound his fastball all day long for homeruns.

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Seanez has a straight fastball. If hitters are laying off his breaking stuff and they usually do they will pound his fastball all day long for homeruns.

 

 

Ok.....but if he COULD spot it, and throw his breaking ball for strikes, they wouldnt. Again, if he locates his pitches, he would not get hammered. The argument was about his stuff, and it is fine, he isnt locating.

 

Think back to last year with Foulke. He couldnt locate his changeup, so batters feasted on his 86-88 MPH fastball. I know he was injured, but nonetheless, if he located his changeup and could spot his fastball like this year and 04' he will do fine.

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I guarentee if he were to back to the NL, he would be doing just fine like our old friend Alan Embree before his 4/20 pitching line.

[MC Hammer]

I guarentee if he were to back to the NL, he would be doing just fine like our old friend Alan Embree before his 4/20 pitching line.

Seanez could be pitching to Pony Leaguers and they'd be teeing off on him. It's simple ... wait for him to throw a fastball.

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Seanez could be pitching to Pony Leaguers and they'd be teeing off on him. It's simple ... wait for him to throw a fastball.

 

Again, no. It all goes back to his control. The same could be said for Wakefield. Why is he successful? Becuase he throws the knuckleball for strikes. Seanez has walked 6 in 11 innings, he walked 22 in 60+ innings last year. The year before that he walked 19 in 46 innings. His strikeout rates are very high by the way. He has 15 K in 11 innings averaging 11.91 K/9inn indicating that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIS STUFF.

 

The problem is his control, any f***in hitter can hit a 95 MPH fastball just as well as a 75 MPH if its down the heart of the plate. His walks and HR against WHILE CONTINUING TO HAVE HIGH K RATIOS show that his control is the problem.

 

If hitters are tattooing his fastball, and pony leaguers could hit it, then why are big league hitters averaging over a K per Inning against him?

 

He will figure it out, give him a break.

[TheRivernator]

He failed once in Boston, went out to the laid back coast and pitched well, then came back to fail again. The guy doesnt have the cojones to handle the pressure of boston....

[jsinger121]

Again, no. It all goes back to his control. The same could be said for Wakefield. Why is he successful? Becuase he throws the knuckleball for strikes. Seanez has walked 6 in 11 innings, he walked 22 in 60+ innings last year. The year before that he walked 19 in 46 innings. His strikeout rates are very high by the way. He has 15 K in 11 innings averaging 11.91 K/9inn indicating that THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HIS STUFF.

 

The problem is his control, any f***in hitter can hit a 95 MPH fastball just as well as a 75 MPH if its down the heart of the plate. His walks and HR against WHILE CONTINUING TO HAVE HIGH K RATIOS show that his control is the problem.

 

If hitters are tattooing his fastball, and pony leaguers could hit it, then why are big league hitters averaging over a K per Inning against him?

 

He will figure it out, give him a break.

 

 

The difference between him and wakefield is wake's pitches move while Seanez pitches do not other than his hook which hitters will lay off of.

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The difference between him and wakefield is wake's pitches move while Seanez pitches do not other than his hook which hitters will lay off of.

 

 

But you proved the point I was trying to make, read my whole post. If he can put his curveball where he wants to, like his track record has shown, he will be successful....because hitters will have that in mind making his hard fastball, while straight....harder to zone in on.

[jsinger121]

But you proved the point I was trying to make, read my whole post. If he can put his curveball where he wants to, like his track record has shown, he will be successful....because hitters will have that in mind making his hard fastball, while straight....harder to zone in on.

 

But the fact is he can't. Hitters are going to lay off of his curveball because they know he will not throw strikes. He is a journeyman reliever and was a bad signing by the Red Sox. People think because he put up some great stats in San Diego last year think he will translate that into AL and into a market like Boston. Until he learns how to pitch with some consistency hitters will lay off his curveball all day long and sit on his straight fastball and will pound it all over the ballpark.

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Why can't he? He still has nasty movement on it, and his track record shows that he will. If you look at his pitching lines, while his lines on 5/4, 4/30 werent very good....his last appearance was, and hes had 3 or 4 in between which have shown improvement.

[jsinger121]

His curveball has movement I will give you that. But when you have no movement on your fastball you are going to have a hard time being consistent. He is a guy that will strike people out but he will mix the strikeouts with a homerun or a few runs and in boston that just is not good enough. He has trouble getting through innings cleanly. As much as I don't like agreeing with Rivernator I'm in agreement this time on seanez. The guy just doesn't have the balls to pitch in boston.

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Maybe he does, maybe he doesnt...but I doubt they cut him. He is of more value than career minor league Matt Ginter and MDC hasnt impressed with his appearances, and we all know how many chances Tito gives rookies. When its all said and done, I think Hansen eventually works his way up and wishful thinking is that Wells returns and the most possible transactions are Dinardo and MDC back to AAA with the resurgence of Foulke and his ability to get LHH hitters out and the fact that Dinardo is not a lefty specialist.

 

 

Edit: I still think Hansen doesnt come up for a while since they are working hard at getting Riske back. We have arms in the bullpen, no need to rush Hansen.

[jsinger121]

The Sox have arms but they lack quality arms outside of timlin, foulke, and papelbon. MDC has a better arm than seanez right now and really deserves to get more opportunites than just mop up duty.

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The Sox have arms but they lack quality arms outside of timlin, foulke, and papelbon. MDC has a better arm than seanez right now and really deserves to get more opportunites than just mop up duty.

 

 

Not many other teams in baseball have three quality arms in their pen. The yankees sure dont, baltimore and TB have atrocious BP's and Toronto has Ryan and Speier. We are doing ok within the division in terms of BP.

[TheRivernator]

Not many other teams in baseball have three quality arms in their pen. The yankees sure dont, baltimore and TB have atrocious BP's and Toronto has Ryan and Speier. We are doing ok within the division in terms of BP.

 

we don't? Have you looked at the yankee bullpen? Proctor, Farns, and Rivera are very good arms and are lights out thus far. Myers and Villone have been great minus one pitch. Our problem is Sturtze....and the fact that small has been rusty since his return from the DL....

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

we don't? Have you looked at the yankee bullpen? Proctor, Farns, and Rivera are very good arms and are lights out thus far. Myers and Villone have been great minus one pitch. Our problem is Sturtze....and the fact that small has been rusty since his return from the DL....

 

I'll be interested to see how long Scott Proctor can last. He's off to a great start but....its Scott Proctor.

[TheRivernator]

I'll be interested to see how long Scott Proctor can last. He's off to a great start but....its Scott Proctor.

 

The knock on the guy has always been the fact that he couldnt get his curve over. Now he is putting it on the corners and it is f***ing nasty. His heater has always been amazing, but you need more than that to succeed. What I really like about the guy this yr is that he isnt falling apart when things dont go his way. Like when he came into the game with the bases loaded yesterday and just blew everyone away. Guidry worked with him, and btw, Guidry has worked magic thus far......

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The knock on the guy has always been the fact that he couldnt get his curve over. Now he is putting it on the corners and it is f***ing nasty. His heater has always been amazing, but you need more than that to succeed. What I really like about the guy this yr is that he isnt falling apart when things dont go his way. Like when he came into the game with the bases loaded yesterday and just blew everyone away. Guidry worked with him, and btw, Guidry has worked magic thus far......

 

 

Its Scott Proctor, enough said.

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/P/scott-proctor.shtml

He didnt exactly light it up in the minors....EVER. The knock on him is that he sucks. Plain and simple. I dont count Myers or Villone. Villone for one, is awful and Myers is hardly considered a relief pitcher. Hes one and out. He is a "specialist".

 

So that leaves you with Mo, and Farnsworth. And oh, by the way. Check this out:

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/F/kyle-farnsworth.shtml

Good one year, bad the next, good one year, bad the next....which one will he be this year? He was good last year, so that means that there is at least a chance he will suck this year.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I won't go as far as saying they all suck....as long as Rivera is there the bullpen remains stable to a degree. Just like our bullpen the Yanks don't have a pen full of closers....you just want guys to keep you in the game when needed and a couple guys to finish it off for you.

[NomahsHammSammich]

I'll be interested to see how long Scott Proctor can last. He's off to a great start but....its Scott Proctor.

 

gotta respect the "proctologist."

 

for the nickname alone.

[TheRivernator]

Its Scott Proctor, enough said.

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/P/scott-proctor.shtml

He didnt exactly light it up in the minors....EVER. The knock on him is that he sucks. Plain and simple. I dont count Myers or Villone. Villone for one, is awful and Myers is hardly considered a relief pitcher. Hes one and out. He is a "specialist".

 

So that leaves you with Mo, and Farnsworth. And oh, by the way. Check this out:

http://thebaseballcube.com/players/F/kyle-farnsworth.shtml

Good one year, bad the next, good one year, bad the next....which one will he be this year? He was good last year, so that means that there is at least a chance he will suck this year.

 

good to see that you don't put anything into the first month of the season. I'll believe what I see, which is something that you and hamm advocate. Proctor actually looks better than Farnsworth thus far, and if you watched any of the games, you would see the situations in which he is succeeding. Yesterday he came into the game and blew away the Rangers, blew them away. His 1.33 ERA is nasty so far. Trust me on this one, if, and I know it is a big if, but IF Proctor can locate his curve this season, he will keep this up. If he cannot, then he'll go back to the same proctor. As for Farnsworth, he looks very good so far. Myers is a one man guy but one out a game is pretty good. Villone has been very good. What you are all forgetting is that Dotel will be coming back in about 2 weeks. If he is anything like he has been in the past, then this bullpen will be amazing....

[TheRivernator]

I won't go as far as saying they all suck....as long as Rivera is there the bullpen remains stable to a degree. Just like our bullpen the Yanks don't have a pen full of closers....you just want guys to keep you in the game when needed and a couple guys to finish it off for you.

 

that's what we have. Our pen is strong on both left and right sides....

[CrespoBlows]

Why do have so much faith in Villone? His career ERA is 4.72. Other than that, he's had one good year 10 years ago, and one good half year.

 

Your own manager shows no faith in him at all. He hasn't come into a pressure packed game at all this year. He's only been in one game with the scoring difference at less then three. He's just a mop-up guy right now.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

What you are all forgetting is that Dotel will be coming back in about 2 weeks. If he is anything like he has been in the past, then this bullpen will be amazing....

 

Octavio Dotel has been out of baseball for a while....he may be returning in a couple weeks but it will take him longer to get his head on straight. We had to deal with that last season in Wade Miller....the talent was there and the history but he was out for so long...things couldn't turn around for him. It may not be till next season he gets back to 100% completely....maybe he never will

[TheRivernator]

Why do have so much faith in Villone? His career ERA is 4.72. Other than that, he's had one good year 10 years ago, and one good half year.

 

Your own manager shows no faith in him at all. He hasn't come into a pressure packed game at all this year. He's only been in one game with the scoring difference at less then three. He's just a mop-up guy right now.

 

His last 2 yrs as a reliever, he has been good. Plus, he gets lefties out pretty regularly. The problem with him is that he is way overworked the past few yrs and putting him in a less pressure situation might save his arm. He has been good in the situations he comes in for, but I think it is time he occupies Sturtze's role as the second middle reliever behind proctor. Trust me on this one, Villone will have a decent yr overall. He'll be below 4 in ERA and will work his way into the bullpen rotation. I like what I have seen. The only relievers on the yankees that I havent been impressed with are Small and Sturtze. Small looks rusty, Sturtze looks lost....

[TheRivernator]

Octavio Dotel has been out of baseball for a while....he may be returning in a couple weeks but it will take him longer to get his head on straight. We had to deal with that last season in Wade Miller....the talent was there and the history but he was out for so long...things couldn't turn around for him. It may not be till next season he gets back to 100% completely....maybe he never will

 

Miller was a TOTALLY different case. His injury was in his rotator cuff, and rotator cuff tears are career killers. The shoulder is the #1 fastest way to end a pitchers career. It used to be the elbow, but TJ surgery has revolutionized that. Dotel will eventually get back to his previous velocity, but all that matters is when. Sometimes guys come back throwing harder, sometimes they dont. It is a case by case thing. As far as him being out of baseball for awhile, he has been out almost exatly one year. They say 2 years is when he'll return to normal, but there are cases of guys coming back quickly and being effective. Mind you, I dont think the Dotel of Houston lore will be walking out of our bullpen this yr, but he should have enough gas in the tank (if used properly) to be effective in the roles he is placed in. If he is babied back slowly enough, we should be seeing the reliever we hoped to have by september. If Torre tries to burn him out, then he'll likely be on the DL by september. It is a balancing act. Good thing is, this team has a good enough BP to baby him as evidenced by having one of the best ERAs in the game to this point without him. I was even calling for him to be kept on rehab until august with him throwing 3 innings a week in Colombus and call him up for the stretch run. Doesnt look like that is happening though....

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Scoreless inning 5/9/06

 

Looks like the lead was "Seanez proof".....nice to see him do well, I'm pulling for him.

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Another solid performance....starting to pitch well...looks like hes going to make the cut date...good for him...and good for a good guy as well. Never hear a negetive thing from him.:thumbsup:

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

Another solid performance....starting to pitch well...looks like hes going to make the cut date...good for him...and good for a good guy as well. Never hear a negetive thing from him.:thumbsup:

 

yeah. nice to see him starting to pitch well. It will help us a lot with Timlin on the DL.

[NEM]

No later then June 30. I hope. Even with an occasional decent outing, not impressed at all.