April 21 @ Toronto

[Beckett95]

Pap would get moved to the rotation when Hansen comes up

 

why do you say that?? Why couldnt Hansen help set up for the time being?

[redoctober]

i like that alot too

 

ya bring up the young kids and give them a shot, if Seanez and Tavarez keep pitching like they have been

 

 

What was the front office thinking signing a lunatic and a s***** ass unclutch pitcher?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

3 games is a small sample size.. he's going from facing lineups that would be:

 

damon, jeter, a-rod, sheff, giambi, matsui, posada, cano, phillips

3456 of toronto aka wells, glaus, overbay, hillenbrand

23456 of texas aka young, texiera, nevin, blalock, mench

not to mention baltimore and even tampa is no squid

 

every team in the al east is a powerhouse..

 

the NL central however is only held down by houston and st louis. the other teams have good hitters but it's nowhere close to the string of 4-5 above average hitters in a row.. you might find 2-3 tops, not to mention ever 9th batter is the PITCHER.

 

john

 

Hitting-wise, it's Cincy and STL. Houston doesn't have a very strong lineup.

[Beckett95]

What was the front office thinking signing a lunatic and a s***** ass unclutch pitcher?

 

both of them pitched well last year in the NL, but neither seem to be good enough to pitch in the AL East

[a700hitter]

either Seanez just really sucks, or hes injured. Most of the time you see pitchers struggling, they will be put on the DL with some injury.

He just really sucks, and I have been on record saying that since they signed him.

 

Terry talks about how closing isn't that important, because sometimes the biggest outs in a game come in the 7th or the 8th. Well, he talks the talk, but where is the walk? The biggest inning that outs were needed was the 8th. Toronto's hitters started on a role. Terry should have given the ball to Papelbon after the first homer. If he could have stopped the bleeding, Terry could have turned over a 2 run lead to Foulke or Timlin for the 9th.

[redoctober]

Pap would get moved to the rotation when Hansen comes up

 

 

Then whos moving to the bullpen out of the rotation? DiNardo looks like he could pan out to be a decent 5th starter. Maybe they could trade Clement? I get so sick of watching him pitch.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

why do you say that?? Why couldnt Hansen help set up for the time being?

 

Pap's a starter, Hansen's a closer. Pap is just holding down the fort until Hansen is ready.

[redoctober]

both of them pitched well last year in the NL, but neither seem to be good enough to pitch in the AL East

 

Apparently not.

[Beckett95]

He just really sucks, and I have been on record saying that since they signed him.

 

Terry talks about how closing isn't that important, because sometimes the biggest outs in a game come in the 7th or the 8th. Well, he talks the talk, but where is the walk? The biggest inning that outs were needed was the 8th. Toronto's hitters started on a role. Terry should have given the ball to Papelbon after the first homer. If he could have stopped the bleeding, Terry could have turned over a 2 run lead to Foulke or Timlin for the 9th.

 

ya, why is Francona afraid to let Papelbon pitch the 8th and 9th, if need be?

[redoctober]

He just really sucks, and I have been on record saying that since they signed him.

 

Terry talks about how closing isn't that important, because sometimes the biggest outs in a game come in the 7th or the 8th. Well, he talks the talk, but where is the walk? The biggest inning that outs were needed was the 8th. Toronto's hitters started on a role. Terry should have given the ball to Papelbon after the first homer. If he could have stopped the bleeding, Terry could have turned over a 2 run lead to Foulke or Timlin for the 9th.

 

 

Yeah, bad move by Francona. They should of had Papelbon go for the 5 out save. Wow, this game really pissed me off.

[Beckett95]

Francona really pisses me off sometimes

 

Rudy Seanez is no better than a AA batting practice pitcher

[YanksHater213]

Well, at least Manny had 2 homers...

[Beckett95]

Well, at least Manny had 2 homers...

ya some positives about the game---

 

Mannys 2 HR

Beckett dominated through 7

Papelbon and Foulke looked real good

[riverside sluggers]

ya some positives about the game---

 

Mannys 2 HR

Beckett dominated through 7

Papelbon and Foulke looked real good

 

Is that 10.1 scoreless innings for Paps to start the season off? Let alone he has now pitched 10 scoreless innings against the Blue Jays

[a700hitter]

ya some positives about the game---

 

Mannys 2 HR

Beckett dominated through 7

Papelbon and Foulke looked real good

...and Terry made all the wrong moves as usual this year.

[YanksHater213]

Papelbon is so good. Whoever he's facing should just pull their pants down and save him the energy, because he is most obviously going to push their s*** in.

[Beckett95]

...and Terry made all the wrong moves as usual this year.

 

yep, he ruined a game that should have been won. Id say this is atleast the 2nd loss this year that can be blamed on francona

[redoctober]

Well I'm off to get some sleep. See you guys tomorrow afternoon.

[Cityofchampions33]

I still have no idea why Tito brought in Seanez, let him start the enxt inning, Foulke was on a roll and looked solid, espeically whle mixing in his slider.

These kinds of loses suck, because they put us at somewhat of a disadvantage tomorow probably not having a closer in eitehr Paps or Foulke, so we'll be handcuffed if the situation arises.

Also, the decision to send down Stern looked at it's worst tomight, as Willie did squat and looked overmatched in every .AB

[a700hitter]

Also, the decision to send down Stern looked at it's worst tomight, as Willie did squat and looked overmatched in every .AB

I was against this move. Stern should have stayed until Crisp returned. Harris adds nothing. There isn't anything that he does better than Stern.

[Cityofchampions33]

I was against this move. Stern should have stayed until Crisp returned. Harris adds nothing. There isn't anything that he does better than Stern.

 

it makes no sense, he'd get ABs

[redoctober]

I was against this move. Stern should have stayed until Crisp returned. Harris adds nothing. There isn't anything that he does better than Stern.

 

 

Harris adds nothing? What makes you say that? The guy brings baserunning ability and a stellar glove in the outfield. Just like with Gonzalez everyone should realize that Harris is not here to add thunder in the lineup.

[a700hitter]

it makes no sense, he'd ge ABs

Exactly, and he'd get some great experience. When Coco returns, send Stern to Pawtuckett to get his ABs.

[Cityofchampions33]

Harris adds nothing? What makes you say that? The guy brings baserunning ability and a stellar glove in the outfield. Just like with Gonzalez everyone should realize that Harris is not here to add thunder in the lineup.

 

Yeah, but if we had an option that had Gonzalez's glove, speed, and a bette bat, we wouldn't need Gonzalez. This is basically the same senario. Maybe Stern is lacking a little speed and hardly any glove ability but we basically sacrificed 5 ABs in a game where every AB counts, especially because all offense was scored off HRs, if he was on for Papi's blast it wouldv'e been a 7-6 game, no extra innings, save Papelbon AND Foulke pitches.

[redoctober]

Yeah, but if we had an option that had Gonzalez's glove, speed, and a bette bat, we wouldn't need Gonzalez. This is basically the same senario. Maybe Stern is lacking a little speed and hardly any glove ability but we basically sacrificed 5 ABs in a game where every AB counts, especially because all offense was scored off HRs, if he was on for Papi's blast it wouldv'e been a 7-6 game, no extra innings, save Papelbon AND Foulke pitches.

 

 

Whos to say Stern has a better bat than Harris? The guy had a .190 OBP, even though it was only 12 ABs still, can you really say Stern would of been on base tonight for Papi's home run?

[riverside sluggers]

I was against this move. Stern should have stayed until Crisp returned. Harris adds nothing. There isn't anything that he does better than Stern.

 

Stern was in an 0 for 14 slump, I saw same thing from Willie as I saw from Stern recently. Dustan Mohr shouldve gotten the start anyway tonight

 

Willie is a knowledgable baserunner, 49 steals in 61 chances. He has been known to be a solid defender, holding a career .987 fielding percentage. That is combined rating of him playing short, 2nd, and the outfield. He is a quality utility guy to have around.

[ksushi]

Another FRUSTRATING LOSS! Tonights was even more frustrating than last nights. Beckett was in command through 8 and then everything fell apart. Then Paps and Foulke pitched great, but nobody could drive in any runs. Then f***in Seanez loses the game the first batter he faces. Seanez needs to be demoted. Bring up Declarmen. I'm so sick of that f***in scrub. This is ********!

 

 

Wow dude, wow. Calm down. One loss. Great game pitched by Beckett, saw some awesome things from foulke and Papelbon and you seem like you're ready to jump. Teams don't go 150-12. I think we will be O.K.

 

Seanez has looked kinda flat, but you know what, if that ump calls that pitch 3-2 by Foulke correctly, we're talking about a 13th inning and potentially a red sox win. We need something out of Tavarez and Seanez, I don't care which one, and since Seanez has looked bad and Tavarez has been pretty good and has a better track record, I agree, give his spot to a Delcarmen or a Martinez and let a kid get some learning done in the bigs.

 

Not so tough a loss, because it had its highs, but I do think it is very important to take this series.

 

Beckett was excellent through 7, granted he threw a lot of pitches, he did not have his best stuff and I can honestly say that when I guy doesn't have his best stuff, its best to not throw him out in the 8th. I'm not blaming tito, you could go either way on that, but Beckett struggled with command and his curve all game long but he battled like an ace. You can't take anything away from him. Some days you come with it, some days you don't.

 

About the Stern thing, the reason he went down is because the Sox want to see him get 400ish AB's somewhere and develop him as a player. AAA was the final destination for him. He could be a great 4th OFer next year. What people don't realize is not only do the sox have a young core coming up in Pedroia Lester Papelbon and Hansen, but they have a great group of guys coming who can do little things. Machado will be a great utility guy, Delcarmen and Martinez in the bullpen and Stern to play as a 4th outfielder. This team will have incredible depth in the field and in the pen for years to come. Not to mention a hell of a rotation with Beckett Papelbon and Lester down the road.

[Cityofchampions33]

Stern was in an 0 for 14 slump, I saw same thing from Willie as I saw from Stern recently. Dustan Mohr shouldve gotten the start anyway tonight

 

Willie is a knowledgable baserunner, 49 steals in 61 chances. He has been known to be a solid defender, holding a career .987 fielding percentage. That is combined rating of him playing short, 2nd, and the outfield. He is a quality utility guy to have around.

 

Yeah, when all is said and done, you right, just I hadda blow off some steem, totally forgot what his stats were

[a700hitter]

Stern was in an 0 for 14 slump, I saw same thing from Willie as I saw from Stern recently. Dustan Mohr shouldve gotten the start anyway tonight

 

Willie is a knowledgable baserunner, 49 steals in 61 chances. He has been known to be a solid defender, holding a career .987 fielding percentage. That is combined rating of him playing short, 2nd, and the outfield. He is a quality utility guy to have around.

He stinks. He has no major tools. Stern may not be the accomplished basestealer at the ML level, but I think he is just as fast. I don't think Harris is a better fielder or hitter than Stern, so why not keep Stern for another couple of weeks and let Harris walk.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Who else is up for leaving Rudy Seanez in the middle of the desert with a shovel?