Our boy Pokey walks away from Baseball

[kreinbihl34]

Dude you do not understand the meening that the 2004 Red Sox team has on me. You can shoot all the facts at me you want but without Pokey we would not have won the WS... if we didn't have one of tose people on that team we wouldn't have won. You can have the best talent you want, but you need defensive players too. (See 2005 Chicago White Sox) and for the comeback... he didn't suck as much as my comeback... your mom does...

[mtbykr]

Great job, he managed to field a weak grounder. Is that all? I didn't see him bailing us out in Games 4, 5, 6, or 7. He did manage to scoop up a groundball though. While we're out handing medals out for subpar performances, I'd like to dedicate this award for "Trying to be Intelligent" to Soxfan#1. Even though he's still an idiot, he still tries to sound smart. Got to hand it to him.

 

I'll say one positive thing about Pokey though, he did have one hell of a catch against the Dodgers.

 

 

Way to miss the point there smartguy! Just for a recap, here you go:

 

 

Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

Actually, he was signed to be the starting 2B for the Red Sox. Theo was shamed into to benching him, because he realized, "Wow, this guy sucks."

 

His .221/.271/.303 batting line, is grounds enough to end the love affair with Pokey Reese. So, yes I will happily discount any "memorable" plays he made during that season. (I remember none, nor do I care to remember any)

 

 

 

Then I said:

 

Last out of game 7 of the ALCS was a grounder to Pokey! I want to remember that one for a long time!:thumbsup:

 

 

 

You said you don't remember any memorable plays---I gave you one that was memorable for the majority of sox fans including me. Then you procede to try and trivialize that play saying it wasn't a hard play to make. You made mention of "memorable" plays, not "web gems". I consider the last out to the greatest sports comeback in history memorable!

 

If you want to "crap" on pokey, then you do that--it's your perogative. However, he was a member of the 04 sox, and therefore will be in our memories and hearts forever!

[CrespoBlows]

Way to miss the point there smartguy! Just for a recap, here you go:

Then I said:

You said you don't remember any memorable plays---I gave you one that was memorable for the majority of sox fans including me. Then you procede to try and trivialize that play saying it wasn't a hard play to make. You made mention of "memorable" plays, not "web gems". I consider the last out to the greatest sports comeback in history memorable!

 

If you want to "crap" on pokey, then you do that--it's your perogative. However, he was a member of the 04 sox, and therefore will be in our memories and hearts forever!

 

Actually, you seemed to miss my point. The one thing I'll remember about the Boston Red Sox 2004 championship, was the team effort. Reese, while he may have made the last out, wasn't a great part of the team that made the comeback. You can love Pokey all you want to, but I'm not really getting to emotional about an average player. (I'll give you average)

[CrespoBlows]

Dude you do not understand the meening that the 2004 Red Sox team has on me. You can shoot all the facts at me you want but without Pokey we would not have won the WS... if we didn't have one of tose people on that team we wouldn't have won. You can have the best talent you want, but you need defensive players too. (See 2005 Chicago White Sox) and for the comeback... he didn't suck as much as my comeback... you mom does...

 

Wow, I'd feel compelled to counter your argument, but I won't. Much too easy.

[schillingouttheks]

Dude you do not understand the meening that the 2004 Red Sox team has on me. You can shoot all the facts at me you want but without Pokey we would not have won the WS... if we didn't have one of tose people on that team we wouldn't have won. You can have the best talent you want, but you need defensive players too. (See 2005 Chicago White Sox) and for the comeback... he didn't suck as much as my comeback... you mom does...

Oh Lord. I thought I had heard it all in a baseball argument

[mtbykr]

Actually, you seemed to miss my point. The one thing I'll remember about the Boston Red Sox 2004 championship, was the team effort. Reese, while he may have made the last out, wasn't a great part of the team that made the comeback. You can love Pokey all you want to, but I'm not really getting to emotional about an average player. (I'll give you average)

 

 

Ok, here's the point. I understand what you mean. My point was that you said you couldn't remember one memorable play by pokey---and i vividly remember that one to end game 7 of the ALCS. That's it!

[a700hitter]

Ok, here's the point. I understand what you mean. My point was that you said you couldn't remember one memorable play by pokey---and i vividly remember that one to end game 7 of the ALCS. That's it!

He made a really nice play going into the stands at Yankee Stadium to catch a foul pop in the same game that PD made the catch that bloodied his face. Pokey's catch was better. He had better control of his body allowing him to avoid knocking his head in the stands.

[element1151]

Oh Lord. I thought I had heard it all in a baseball argument

That is going into my sig for comedic value!

[Sizzlin22]

He mad some plays that I didn't think was humanly possible. He routinely when playing short stop got balls that were the second base side and managed to throw the guy out.

 

He also had thta play where he jumped like 7 feet in the air catchign the ball.

[a700hitter]

He mad some plays that I didn't think was humanly possible. He routinely when playing short stop got balls that were the second base side and managed to throw the guy out.

 

He also had thta play where he jumped like 7 feet in the air catchign the ball.

He could throw around the leather. The only downside to him playing SS was that when Nomar came back it made it obvious how much Nomar had slipped defensively. Nomar had to be uncomfortable watching Pokey night after night making plays look routine that Nomar knew he had no chance of making.

[mtbykr]

He could throw around the leather. The only downside to him playing SS was that when Nomar came back it made it obvious how much Nomar had slipped defensively. Nomar had to be uncomfortable watching Pokey night after night making plays look routine that Nomar knew he had no chance of making.

 

 

That's a great point. When Nomar came back the bar was set prety high in the field as pokey had been throwing around some serious leather. So when we finally saw Nomar it was such a drastic change from what we were used to. One thing I loved about Pokey is how effortless he made plays look--he was real smooth! (at least on defense:D )

[seabeachfred]

Crespo is probably going back to the fact that Pokey came in as the starting second baseman but his hitting was so atrocious that he lost his position to Mark Bellhorn, who it must be admitted, did a pretty good job in 2004 when he took over the keystone. Yet, thorough it all, Pokey remained a great team player, a positive influence inthe clubhouse and was the first out of the dugout with Dave Roberts when David Ortiz got those two clutch hits in games 4 and 5 to get us back to YS and ultimate glory. I think we should remember Pokey for the positive things he did for us.

[a700hitter]

It was nice to have a defensive replacement off the bench that was truly gold-glove caliber. It was also nice to have Robert's speed of the bench. They were top quality weapons on the bench. Not too many teams have those kind of weapons for late inning situations. The Sox didn't replace those capabilities in 2005 and they won't have it when the season starts in 2006.

[seabeachfred]

When the season gets underway one thing that I think will stand out is that we are in better shape than we were last year at this time. Face it, most of us knew that we were not really that strong when the bell rang last year and hoped that the previous year's momentum might get us through. It seldom works that way. This off season we retooled as we had to do and are stronger, on paper at least, on defense and on the mound. We can replace Reese's defense but we probably will still be short in the speed department.

[The Monster is my Mom]

For speed we do have Crisp and Stern (at least for the first 18 games)

[seabeachfred]

Monsterman, Harris has great speed but he is way behind the others at this point so it looks like Crisp and Stern are our best hopes. After Stern gets sent down I hope he goes on a tear and have to bring him up. We could then send some pitcher down or trade one of them and make room on our team for the guy to help give us another diimension in our lineup.

[a700hitter]

For speed we do have Crisp and Stern (at least for the first 18 games)

They can't steal bases at the rate Roberts can.

[seabeachfred]

No they can't 700 Hitter, but you and I should not be splitting hairs over it. As good as a team might be you simply cannot have everything. We were able to get Roberts into the roster mix two seasons ago because there were roster openings and our farm system was still developing so their were no prospects really ready. It is different this year, and as much as I liked Dave Roberts you didn't really hear much from him until that critical steal in the 4th game. Yes, I miss Roberts but it appears we still will have more depth this year. My worry is that we make sure the right guys make the team who can help us the most on both sides of the ball.

[a700hitter]

No they can't 700 Hitter, but you and I should not be splitting hairs over it. As good as a team might be you simply cannot have everything.

I agree that you can't have everything. You are never going to have two-way stars on the bench. I just think that the composition of the 2004 bench was interesting, because it was a highly specialized bench. They were definitely not all-round good players, but the had certain star quality skills that were very useful. I don't think that you can build such a bench to get through an entire season, but for the post -season it is a very useful bench. I am surprised that more teams don't try to build specialized benches for the post-season.

[seabeachfred]

Remember 700, the team did not take final form until August of that year when we got Roberts, Cabrera and Menky to round out our squad. Even then we had to make the greatest comeback in baseball history to win the Big Enchilada. Not to worry, in my opinion, Theo has his hands firmly on the matter; if we need to augment our team as the season wears on he will do it. I just hope we do not have a three month dry spell as we did in the May-July period in 2004. I would like to see us break from the gate and play consistent baseball for the full season. It has been done before. Why can't it happen to us?