Coco's Debut

[mar_022]

I just thought i'd mention that Coco Crisp was 3 for 3 with an rbi in his first spring training game as a Red Sox Player. He was a homer shy of the cycle. Johnny Damon was 2 for 3, by the way.

[jsinger121]

very good debut....showed tons of hustle especially on the double.....coco could be an instant fan favorite and make sox fans forget about damon very quickly

[HeadOfSoxNation]

very good debut....showed tons of hustle especially on the double.....coco could be an instant fan favorite and make sox fans forget about damon very quickly

 

 

Here's the thing, I really don't think Sox fans will ever forget about Damon, nor do they really want to. I know I don't. I don't agree with how Damon originally said at the begining and during the season that he could never play for the Yanks and what not, but I fault the front office more then Damon for that move. They were planning before Damon's departure instead of focusing on getting him back. They could have had him if the price was right. I understand that looking elsewhere is a negotiating tool, but they really dropped the ball with the whole thing. There'd obviously be other suitors when you're talking about the best leadoff man in baseball...annnnnnnnnd the Yanks were obviously going to come strong because of the glaring hole at CF/Leadoff in the Bronx.

 

As far as Crisp goes, I couldn't agree with you more about being a fan fave in Boston. I like the guy, I really like what he brings to the table and I like his stlye alot. I don't think he'll put up numbers as good as Damon...but I think they'll be more then adequate. And it'll be nice to have someone that has a better arm than me playing CF. Haha.

 

Overall...the Sox screwed up and Damon should still be in Beantown...but I think Crisp is going to suit us just fine. That is, unless we can sign JuanGone, in which case he's my choice to play center. hahahahahaha.

[riverside sluggers]

But yes, very good RS debut for Coco. Lets hope he continues that, which Im sure he will.

 

As for 06 #s, i dont think its gonna be a big step down, as some have been saying.

 

06 projection

(.295-.305 avg) (.350+ OBP) 17-20 HRs, 70-80 RBIs, 100+ Runs scored, 15-20 SBs

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I didn't see the game. It sounds like Coco did the job offensively, but how did he look on defense ?

[MaDmaN]

I have to admit it hurt a little seeing Johnny in pinstripes but I think Krisp numbers will be just as good as Damon's..I just do not see a big drop off if anything Damon's numbers will drop in Yankee stadium while Co Co's will go up playing in fenway...I dont balme the Redsox for not signing him they figured he was worth 10 million and they held their ground.The question I would like to have answered is did johnny come back to the Sox and say New York offered me 13 million will you match it and if he did that I cant blame him for taking the money.The bottom line here is no way will Damon out perform Krisp to the tune of 10 million...

[jsinger121]

crisp is spelled with a C not a K

[MaDmaN]

crisp is spelled with a C not a K

 

Whatever....You missed the point

[schillingouttheks]

crisp is spelled with a C not a K

Crisp is also capitalized.

[Optimist]

Crisp is also capitalized.

 

[Anuj09]

Didnt surprise me or anything Coco has lots of expierence with the Twins since he played them w/ the tribe but still he shows a lot of promise :thumbsup:

[RedSoxRooter]

The question I would like to have answered is did johnny come back to the Sox and say New York offered me 13 million will you match it and if he did that I cant blame him for taking the money.

 

The word is that he didn't. The Yanks flashed the cash and Damon almost s*** himself. I don't think he ever thought he'd be offered that much so he grabbed it. Good for him. And the Sox got the man they wanted (for a while) to replace him. So it's all good.

[Varitek33]

I just thought i'd mention that Coco Crisp was 3 for 3 with an rbi in his first spring training game as a Red Sox Player. He was a homer shy of the cycle. Johnny Damon was 2 for 3, by the way.

 

Thats sounds really good....I wish I saw the game:(

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, with hustle double's like the one he had, he should not only become a fan favorite but also get us some extra RBI chances or runs therefor. Only time I recall Damon bustin his nuts to get the extra base was like in the 11th inning against I'd like to say the Jay's? and he hardly slid home safe and after slammed his helmet off the ground (in triumph).

[Sizzlin22]

Yeah, with hustle double's like the one he had, he should not only become a fan favorite but also get us some extra RBI chances or runs therefor. Only time I recall Damon bustin his nuts to get the extra base was like in the 11th inning against I'd like to say the Jay's? and he hardly slid home safe and after slammed his helmet off the ground (in triumph).

I'm sorry but I've gotta call you on this one. You can say what you want about Johnny, he may be an idiot, and he may talk too much, but you can't say he never busted his nuts. That was one of the reasons I loved Johnny, he went balls out, all the time.

[mtbykr]

I'm sorry but I've gotta call you on this one. You can say what you want about Johnny, he may be an idiot, and he may talk too much, but you can't say he never busted his nuts. That was one of the reasons I loved Johnny, he went balls out, all the time.

 

 

 

I completely agree!! For someone to say that JD didn't bust his balls every time out is assinine! The guy would have run through a tank to make a catch! I am sorry that he is gone and I don't fault him---I fault the front office. I think JD did what anyone would do when backed into a corner--he took the best option available! (the sox were not an option at that point)

 

As for 06, I don't see a drop-off in production coming---what I do see is a drop off in the attitude of the club. Orsillio and Remy were asking Tito about that today during the Pitt game. They were talking about how "quiet" and "non-emotional" the club was and tito said something like "if we win a lot of games, no one will care about that stuff". This club lost most of it's identity this offseason with the loss of JD, Millar, and "the pro"!

 

Crisp will do fine numbers wise, but he won't be the icon that JD was!

[redsoxrules]

I completely agree!! For someone to say that JD didn't bust his balls every time out is assinine! The guy would have run through a tank to make a catch! I am sorry that he is gone and I don't fault him---I fault the front office. I think JD did what anyone would do when backed into a corner--he took the best option available! (the sox were not an option at that point)

 

As for 06, I don't see a drop-off in production coming---what I do see is a drop off in the attitude of the club. Orsillio and Remy were asking Tito about that today during the Pitt game. They were talking about how "quiet" and "non-emotional" the club was and tito said something like "if we win a lot of games, no one will care about that stuff". This club lost most of it's identity this offseason with the loss of JD, Millar, and "the pro"!

 

Crisp will do fine numbers wise, but he won't be the icon that JD was!

 

agree 100 percent here as well, dont fault johnny ,its the front office. as far as saying johnny wasent busting his balls out , you dont put numbers like damon did by slacking off.

if i were in his position i would have made the same decision JD made,the front office were screwing with him all year long

[jsinger121]

agree 100 percent here as well, dont fault johnny ,its the front office. as far as saying johnny wasent busting his balls out , you dont put numbers like damon did by slacking off.

if i were in his position i would have made the same decision JD made,the front office were screwing with him all year long

 

The front office set a value on Damon and stuck to it. He got more money than he probably even believed he would on the open market. The Red Sox were not going to overpay to keep him a Red Sox.

[redsoxrules]

The front office set a value on Damon and stuck to it. He got more money than he probably even believed he would on the open market. The Red Sox were not going to overpay to keep him a Red Sox.

 

the front office could of have inked him earlier in the season at a cheaper price than the yanks gave him, but no they had to wait til the end of the seaon as they did with pedro and lost again

[jsinger121]

With Scott Boras as Damon's agent that was not going to happen. He was going to take Damon to the open market. Boras' clients never sign during the season. They always go into free agency.

[redsoxrules]

you can still make an offer during the regular season.boras is not the one whos gonna decide wich team he wants to play with .if they would have made an offer that JD liked earlier in the season he would have took it .

[jsinger121]

Boras has so much influence on his clients that he would have told Damon he could get more on the open market. As much as you want to think Damon would have signed during the season had the Sox made an offer it would not have been the case as Boras would have swayed Damon towards free agency as he does with all his clients.

[riverside sluggers]

Why is this still being talked about?

 

Damon left for more money and to a bigger marketplace where he can showcase himself off more. Dont even try to expect a standing ovation for him on May 1

[GhostofMalzone]

The Red Sox got caught with their pants down in the Johnny Damon fiasco. Lucchino and his Two Stooges held a press conference on national TV (ESPN) about a player they DIDN'T sign. The excuses was, "We heard about it on the news" Sound familiar? It's the same excuses they used last year when Manny wanted to be traded, "We didn't know Manny wanted to be traded? Someone leaked the story and we heard about it on the news"

Do the people in the Red Sox front office actually do any work? or do they just sit around and listen to the news?

How stupid do they think the fans are?

They work in the front office of The Boston Red Sox it's their job to know, It's what they get paid for. Their telling me that they didn't know Damon was about to sign with the Yankees "It came as a compleat Surprise" to them.

s***, I'm just a fan and I knew that the Yankees needed a center fielder, and the Yankees loved the idea of signing Damon away from the Sox and for 13 million more, 13 million that's chump change to these guys, Manny makes 3 times that a year and unlike Manny, Damon mentally showed up for every game at least.

It's their business to know everything that's going on with their chief competition even before it happens. Letting Damon sign with the Yankees and trading Renteria to the Braves were the two front office moves that brought Theo back.

The Crisp deal may turn out to be a good one? only time will tell. But, don't let anyone kid you, if it was handled right, Damon would still be with the Sox, and contrary to popular belief Boras works for Damon, Not the other way around.

[a700hitter]

The Crisp deal may turn out to be a good one? only time will tell. But, don't let anyone kid you, if it was handled right, Damon would still be with the Sox... .

Exactly right. Losing Damon to the Yankees was a total bungle job. Frick and Frack, the twin GM's were not up to the task. They lost track of the deal, and the Sox never got their best offer on the table. Crisp may be a pretty good player, but he was not Plan A. Plan A was re-signing Damon. Crisp was a nice recovery by the FO.

[GhostofMalzone]

Exactly right. Losing Damon to the Yankees was a total bungle job. Frick and Frack, the twin GM's were not up to the task. They lost track of the deal, and the Sox never got their best offer on the table. Crisp may be a pretty good player, but he was not Plan A. Plan A was re-signing Damon. Crisp was a nice recovery by the FO.

 

Your right, It was a nice recovery.....I also believe that the Renteria trade was a direct result of Damon being signed by the Yankees. The Sox needed a center fielder but they weren't going to give up anyone from the farm for one. They shopped Renteria around knowing they could pick up another short-stop somewhere. The Braves were willing to give up Martie(I think that's how it's spelled?) for Renteria and a little more

Knowing the Sox needed him for trade and the Sox knowing Cleveland needed a third basemen and had Crisp on the block. If Damon hadn't signed with the Yankees and stayed with the Sox would they have traded Renteria? I don't think so

[a700hitter]

Your right, It was a nice recovery.....I also believe that the Renteria trade was a direct result of Damon being signed by the Yankees. The Sox needed a center fielder but they weren't going to give up anyone from the farm for one. They shopped Renteria around knowing they could pick up another short-stop somewhere. The Braves were willing to give up Martie(I think that's how it's spelled?) for Renteria and a little more Knowing the Sox needed him for trade and the Sox knowing Cleveland needed a third basemen and had Crisp on the block. If Damon hadn't signed with the Yankees and stayed with the Sox would they have traded Renteria? I don't think so

I thought the Sox traded Renteria before the Damon signing. I felt that they dumped Renteria to free up some money to use for signing Damon, and then they bungled the Damon deal, leaving them without a CF or SS.

[riverside sluggers]

Renteria was traded 2 weeks prior to Damon signing with NY

[GhostofMalzone]

That shot that theory all to hell, didn't it

It sucks getting old.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I just got back from Ft. Myers. Crisp looks amazing. We got lost going to the game against Minnesota, but I saw him in the other games and the guy is a monster. And I got his autograph. High expectations for him this year.